7 days of dark. The final flush.

Smoking good weed tends to make folks friendly.

Let's not derail another thread with useless fighting and flaming... Keep posts relevant to the topic, we are here to discuss not argue. Any attacks/insults will be deleted. Play nicely everyone!

5000joints said:

Im sure you'll figure it out sooner or later. If your gonna argue a point, then argue against the proof!!!! Here it is!!!! IM NOT SOME POLLIN CHUCKING CLOSET GROWING NEWBIE!!!
I posted this to help you!! I just wanted to help maxamize your trichome coverage! If you dont want or need the help then take off hey. For those that want stickier buds, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS ON POST #1.

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Control group? Overall THC testing results?

Youre totally full of it bro, just cos you "think" 7 days dark increases tric number doesn't mean it does. There is published results from a study that say more that 72 hours is a waste.

Also in the dark if you water, because it's colder their can't absorb as much moisture, giving you a higher relative humidity.

And you cannot flush organic soils, and more to the point, flushing in soil is a joke anyways.

Mull that around the grey matter for a while, as much as you may want a fat rep bar, you won't get it posting myths for noobs to follow.

EDIT: Purple strains are for noobs btw

The way salt based nutrients (chemical ferts) give your plant nutrition is by skipping the whole process of microbes exuding food and going straight to the roots. Obviously what is not used by the plant is then left in your soil and acts as a build up that can be used later. Most of the time this salt build up is unwanted though and that's why flushing became common practice. So flushing in soil can be useful if you load the shit out of it with liquid nutrition... otherwise, not too necessary. The way THC works is like a sunscreen. The plant puts it on in the dark period as a response from the light that damaged it during the light period. That is why people argue about an extended dark period prior to harvest. I don't really know how helpful a week would be though. Ice water doesn't force any trichs to come out. What it can do is cause the roots to become too cold to uptake phosphorous which causes a deficiency and turns your bud purple. There are better ways to achieve purple buds, like just lowering the night time temps... but ice water for the last week won't really cause any big problems and you'll get purples, which people love.

hummmmm......... very interesting, i typically do a 3 day dark period b4 harvest but it does seem a little at odds to the current arguments around UV-B lighting which claims that THC is only being created as light is being absorbed and that THC may be a byproduct of other chems reacting with harmful light.


Who knows????????

to clarify.... "some" evidence seems to support the idea that THC may not be a sunblock but the byproduct of light reacting with other chems (i can look up the scientific names if you need me to) that act as sunblock. sorry the first part was worded kinda poorly.

again this is all just from reading..... mostly on this site..... i have not tested any of this only researched it.

It seems to me that after 72 hours of darkness, the plant would have used all it's light cycle energy stores. Where's the energy coming from for these abundant trichs? All plant proccesses require energy, that is why there is a limit to what straight darkness can do. By your rational, you could put your 8 week old seedling in a dark closet and run water through the soil and in 9 weeks you get one giant trichcome. Or a ball of resin sitting atop the soil. Or a packed bong. Who needs light? This shits magic.

5000's plants are some of the frostiest I've seen to date. However, I do agree with what research indicates about the 72 hour dark period. I'll have to run two clones next time around, and then test the difference between 72 hours and 7 days.

Justin00 said:

but it does seem a little at odds to the current arguments around UV-B lighting which claims that THC is only being created as light is being absorbed and that THC may be a byproduct of other chems reacting with harmful light.

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It really isn't at odds with the UV-B idea. Some THC is broken down during each period of light and then during the next period of darkness what was lost plus a small additional amount is created, so you have a slow but steady increase until harvest.

When given 72-hours of darkness the THC production continues as it would during periods of darkness, but without the daily loss during light cycles. Without a period of light/photosynthesis 72-hours is about as long as plants can continue to carry out what to plants would be normal nighttime functions, then they basically run out of steam and their life cycle ends.

The only research I have seen was done by Advanced Nutrients and they said "just harvest it before the next light cycle". Do what you feel is working well, I still think you all should leave your plants in the dark for two or more weeks if it makes more trichomes.

I can tell who's weed is best by how friendly you act (some of you all need to switch strains).

Rumple said:

The only research I have seen was done by Advanced Nutrients and they said "just harvest it before the next light cycle". Do what you feel is working well, I still think you all should leave your plants in the dark for two or more weeks if it makes more trichomes.

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Going back a number of decades some growers had discovered that harvesting just before sunrise, and then later when growing indoors, at the end of the last light cycle before harvest manually turning off your lights/unplugging them, resulted in increased potency. I doubt that few if any knew why, but there was a clear cause and effect found.

It is that same principle behind giving plants 72-hours of darkness before harvesting, with the one main/biggest difference being that you stretch out the hours of darkness for as long as plants can and will remain alive and performing various (not all) functions without any light whatsoever rather than just one night or standard period of darkness.

I can tell who's weed is best by how friendly you act.

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No, you only like to think you can.

Thank you for your support Brick Top. I appreciate your knowledge and expertise.

For all you HATERS that think you know how to grow weed- Dont listen. Ive already did years of side-by-side comparisons with more strains than I know what to do with.
BC Purps
BC God Bud
East Coast Sour Diesel
DJ Shorts True Blueberry
Green House Great White Shark
and ON and ON and ON. Ive grown over 100 strains.
I USE THIS TECHNIQUE BECAUSE IT WORKS!!! I know that my weed will be grown to perfection and thats all that matters.

Rumple said:

The only research I have seen was done by Advanced Nutrients and they said "just harvest it before the next light cycle". Do what you feel is working well, I still think you all should leave your plants in the dark for two or more weeks if it makes more trichomes.I can tell who's weed is best by how friendly you act (some of you all need to switch strains).

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Two weeks of dark yeah? *facepalm*

KUShSOurSMOKEr said:

5000 good shit man! Thanks so much! Fuck deze niggas tryna hate on u..ur a god in the weed world n ur help is greatly appreciated! Stay high Thanks 5000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yo joints where u from?

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From Western Massachusetts. Thanx KushSourSmoker. I really appreciate your kind words. Now if everyone could just play follow the leader. LOL

Harrekin said:

Two weeks of dark yeah? *facepalm*

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Anything over 7 days is a waste of time. I'm pushing my ladies to the limit with 7 days. 3-5 days is sufficient enough but I found that 7 days helps smooth out the smoke alittle bit more while flushing the last 3 times. If done the way I said, Your weed will be smokable, sellable, and just plain beautifull in 1 week of curing. After 2 weeks its perfect. After 1 month its gone. LOL. I wish I could sleep on my nugz for 3-4 months in the jars for the most potency but I cannot.

I understand about phospherous at the end of flowering but my budz still end up being super hard and thick because I wait to do the final flush in the dark when there already done. I start my final dark week at 10 weeks on a 10 week strain. So there not gonna get any harder or bigger. There ready for harvest. Then I do this technique to push out the trichs. The plant is simply protecting itself.

I use semi-organic soil so it still gets the phospherous it needs to fatten up between flushes between weeks 8 - 10. Then I put it in the dark for 7 days to push the plant to week 11. GET IT!?!?!? GOOD!!!!

pistolpanda said:

5000, no need blow a gasket. I'm not correcting you, I was asking a question because I intend to do this 7 days of dark technique. Forgive me, oh all knowing master of the cannabis cultivation, I'm humbled in your presence. I'm naught but a pollen chucking closet growing newbie, spare me, oh master! Spare me!

But really, no need to flip out. Everywhere you go on these forums, people are going to have a different opinion than you. Something may work for you, something else may work for someone else. Some people may try to correct you, yes; but others are just sharing what worked for them.

As for me, however, all I wanted to know if they had to have 7 days of ABSOLUTE dark, and if so, how the hell do I see to water them? Again, as I feel it needs to be reiterated: NO NEED TO FREAK OUT. Just because you claim to know more than some "pollin chucking closet growing newbie" doesn't make you a "master" one should hardly call themselves a master, when there is so much you HAVEN'T done, and so much you DON'T know.

You too were a newbie at some point, and as far as I'm concerned, you still are. "Masters" don't act like that. As for your weed being the "smoothest, tastiest, most potent bud around" I find myself in high disbelief. There is no grow op that can compare the legal ones ran in University research facilities around the US. Before you go and claim you've got the best, I'd like to see a molecular breakdown of your product.

On a parting note, you do act like a padawan.

I bid you adieu,
-Panda

...and now to await the shitstorm...

Forgot to add it, but dark+damp does = mold. However, I imagine the actual buds themselves aren't being watered, so mold really shouldn't be an issue.

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FIRST OFF - Personalities dont grow weed.
Second- GREEN LIGHT! Can you say G-R-E-E-N L-I-G-H-T?
Third - How do MASTERS act? LOL
Fourth - How do you know what Ive done or havent done? Look at my pics. Those are just a small sample of what Ive done. Just so you know that Im diverse in my knowledge and a master at growing soil, hydro, DWC, SCRoG, SOG, Verticle, Perpetual. Im a master at cloning as well. Heres some root pics. Day 5. Two days after this pic was taken the roots tripled in length and were t/ped.
Fifth - I dont care if you find yourself in "HIGH DISBELIEF". You will never get the chance to smoke my gear so its a mute argument you make.

Put your dicks away lads... It's so gay

5000joints said:

For all you HATERS that think you know how to grow weed- Dont listen. Ive already did years of side-by-side comparisons with more strains than I know what to do with.
BC Purps
BC God Bud
East Coast Sour Diesel
DJ Shorts True Blueberry
Green House Great White Shark
and ON and ON and ON.
I USE THIS TECHNIQUE BECAUSE IT WORKS!!! I know that my weed will be grown to perfection and thats all that matters.

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Hey buddy, that list reads like a window into my wet dreams Nice work, I usually do a day or so of dark before I pull and do aiit in the trich department but I'm doing 2 almost side by side grows of the same strain right now. She's a new one to my harem so no baseline to run off but I'll pull one as normal and give the other a week of cold and dark, see what happens!

ps nice roots! I use an aero and thought I was good but that shits on me

pistolpanda said:

5000's plants are some of the frostiest I've seen to date.

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I agree, his plants are awesome. That bud next to the iced tea is sick.

However,

Brick Top said:

Without a period of light/photosynthesis 72-hours is about as long as plants can continue to carry out what to plants would be normal nighttime functions, then they basically run out of steam and their life cycle ends.

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Plants do not have fat stores like humans. Without frequent suger production, the plant is only dying. There is nothing they can burn in an emergancy to keep life proccesses going. 5000s is using logic, but it's flawed. IMO.