Abolish private healthcare insurance

potroastV2

potroastV2

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Well, I can't make a guess of the amount of your healthcare costs, because I can only use my personal experience to go by.

For me, it would have cost zero. I have completely socialized healthcare ...

through the VA.

Oh I see you said you needed antibiotics, so I would have had to pay $8 for the prescription.

So my cost would have been $8.


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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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I hope your not in too much pain and ya don't have too much down time, get well soon. I can't guess Buck, I get my healthcare for free and if ya had that sticking outta yer finger here in Canada, you would be triaged to the front of the emergency room line. Private for profit health insurance sucks, with a single payer system like in Canada, it is 1/3 the cost per capita and the wealthy could always go to Costa Rica or Mexico for high class private care.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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rollitup said:
InB4 some trump chump spews "it's SOCIALISM! just like in communist Russia!" :shock:



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Tell em it's called service and this is the reward for that service. They can join if they are smart, physically able and mentally able, as well as stable. They also need to have the guts to lay it on the line if required and put others including their country first.

Here in Canada veterans are covered by the health care system, but in addition get lots of extra perks (hearing aids, vision care, pharmacare, etc), payments and pensions. The government even pays for veterans pot, if they have PTSD, but there are other treatment options available as well.
 
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mooray

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My favorite is when people say they love their Affordable Care Act and hate Obamacare. I've probably heard that a thousand times.
 
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Fixed up

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tangerinegreen555 said:
You know, every time I've had any medical claim over the years, you get an insurance paper that reads something like this:

Hospital charges 3,000. Dr. charges 1,100. Highmark pays 975 and 580 because hospital and doctor are in medical network and have an agreement to accept this much for these services.

I once asked if I didn't have insurance how would I have to pay? Some say 4,100. Some say they'd accept the medicare/medicaid rate.

The costs are skewed, they overcharge and accept less 'by agreement between Highmark and participating providers'.

They never actually get what they charge.
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This.
It might look like your insurance company is paying what it shows but that's not the case at all.
 
MrToad69

MrToad69

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UncleBuck said:
My mom, a lifelong nurse, said “that’s obscene” when I told her the cost of the bill last night

this afternoon when I got home from work, she said it even better

“you could have flown your entire family to Costa Rica, gotten that taken care of for $90, spent a week on the beach by your hotel, flown back all healed up, and it would have cost much less”

her and my dad are retired but not yet eligible for Medicare. They are risking no insurance for two years until they are eligible because they both call private healthcare insurance a scam

they are right
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Buck



I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're on the wrong if the arguement once again!

As you know, I too live in Canada and have the fortune of access to universal health care..I do not have the resources to pay for private care, but I do agree with a two tiered system..and here is why.

Point is: those who have the money are going to pay for private care anyway...you mention Costa Rica for example..The number of Canadian's that go to specialized clinics abroad for joint surgeries or cancer care is significant...those people are going to do it anyway! Why not collect the revenue in Canada for the benefit of all?

By allowing a two tiered system...this is what happens...

1. You reduce the burden on our own system(shorter lines)..Lets say you removed 20% of people out of our already overburdened system...Improvement for everyone!
2. Second all that money generated from those who can afford to pay( profits from procedures)...gets pumped back into the primary system..allowing for more doctors and reduction in the tax burden to Canadians.
3. Lastly, those private facities will themselves create tax revenues that can be reinjected back into Canadian healthcare system...benefitting all!

By proposing all Canadians have to hang on to and follow the little string like a bunch of kids it's absolutely naive...as those rich families already taking their money to facilities in the States such as the Mayo clinic..

But based on your previous contributions I doubt a person like you would understand!!

Regards
Toad
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MrToad69 said:
Buck



I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're on the wrong if the arguement once again!

As you know, I too live in Canada and have the fortune of access to universal health care..I do not have the resources to pay for private care, but I do agree with a two tiered system..and here is why.

Point is: those who have the money are going to pay for private care anyway...you mention Costa Rica for example..The number of Canadian's that go to specialized clinics abroad for joint surgeries or cancer care is significant...those people are going to do it anyway! Why not collect the revenue in Canada for the benefit of all?

By allowing a two tiered system...this is what happens...

1. You reduce the burden on our own system(shorter lines)..Lets say you removed 20% of people out of our already overburdened system...Improvement for everyone!
2. Second all that money generated from those who can afford to pay( profits from procedures)...gets pumped back into the primary system..allowing for more doctors and reduction in the tax burden to Canadians.
3. Lastly, those private facities will themselves create tax revenues that can be reinjected back into Canadian healthcare system...benefitting all!

By proposing all Canadians have to hang on to and follow the little string like a bunch of kids it's absolutely naive...as those rich families already taking their money to facilities in the States such as the Mayo clinic..

But based on your previous contributions I doubt a person like you would understand!!

Regards
Toad
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Hmmmm what are the merits of creating second class citizens?
 
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MrToad69

MrToad69

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UncleBuck said:
Hmmmm what are the merits of creating second class citizens?
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You preconceived notions creates the burden..

Get a service for free...that fine, be patient and wait line...If you the fortune of wealth...great...just know that your money is going to go towards the guy who is getting his service for free...and because you've chosen to pay...you make free guys service faster..It benefits everyone!!

Rich people are going to pay for those services anyway...whether they hire a private doctor or fly to a different country to do...

Tell me this...You just paid thousands of dollar to have healthcare fix you up.right?.Let say a rich person came into the hospital right after you and said...Hey buddy...I'll cover all of your medical bills if you just let me go ahead of you...Wouldn't you do it...or would you respond and say no..I don't want to feel like a second class citizen?
Toad
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MrToad69 said:
You preconceived notions creates the burden..

Get a service for free...that fine, be patient and wait line...If you the fortune of wealth...great...just know that your money is going to go towards the guy who is getting his service for free...and because you've chosen to pay...you make free guys service faster..It benefits everyone!!

Rich people are going to pay for those services anyway...whether they hire a private doctor or fly to a different country to do...

Tell me this...You just paid thousands of dollar to have healthcare fix you up.right?.Let say a rich person came into the hospital right after you and said...Hey buddy...I'll cover all of your medical bills if you just let me go ahead of you...Wouldn't you do it...or would you respond and say no..I don't want to feel like a second class citizen?
Toad
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Still not seeing the merits of making posts into second class citizens, despite your very compelling views borne of the purest cuckoldry I’ve ever witnessed
 
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