tangerinegreen555
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Good thing Obamacare removed that $1,000,000 limit!
Thanks Obama, now you can get aorta surgery, a kidney transplant and a new liver without worrying too much about money.
Abolish private healthcare insurance
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Thanks Obama, now you can get aorta surgery, a kidney transplant and a new liver without worrying too much about money.
MrToad69
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Buck, from our precious chats...I dont expect you to understand.."cut off your nose to spite your face"..
By creating two two tier..you shift some of the financial burden to the wealthy as well as reduce wait times for all..
But since you're the only one sitting in the wait room (with pride) with an overburdened line ups waiting for a free service...rather than accepting the equivalent of several months in wages from for your spot...Such is life!
UncleBuck
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What’s your favorite way to pass the time when the bull is pleasuring your wife
MrToad69
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Buck
You're amusing..Ive seen your comments from other boards referring to others wives as whores...
It's fun to watch your Little brain grind away..trying to find something intelligent to say...and thats all you can come up with...lol
Fortunately, Darwin's theories catch up with guys like you!
MrToad69
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Mooray
No question, were all paying into the system..which is why it works..so how do we speed it up and reduce the cost for Canadians?
There is an obvious stigma here..I totally understand...this is a worthy and important topic too...
Question...Should we be restricting Canadians from flying to the Mayo clinic in the US for treatment?
I enjoy the topic also and it's not an easy one. If it's anything like the system here, it's severely bloated and could use some trimming of the fat. I think of it like working on a car; there are tons of skilled mechanics making $20/hr that can do just as good of a job with most repair as the $60/hr BMW tech and you need to be smart enough to know exactly when you can and can't use the cheaper guy. And there are plenty of times where the $3 china socket works every bit as well as the $50 snap-on. There needs to be a new path created that allows people to choose a cheaper route with fewer restrictions and of course they would have to accept a degree of risk that comes with it.
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tangerinegreen555
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Only when you force them to vacation on Lake Erie instead of flying to Hawaii.
What kind of stupid question was that?
People can do what ever they want with their extra money.
It reflects more on the rep of the Mayo clinic than it does the health system. Do you expect every hospital to be as good as the Mayo Clinic?
Dr.Amber Trichome
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That is insane .
So if Pinhead decided to get all his nails removed, which is approximately 400 nails , that would cost around
$3,600,000 . That is an absolute outrage! I can see why he remains in Hell, it’s too fucking expensive to leave.
potroastV2
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MrToad69
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Tangerine...
That's my point EXACTLY!! It's ridiculous..
We have a two tiered system already! We're just forcing people to fly elsewhere to get it...
Why not keep it here in Canada where everyone benefits?
By having private care here in Canada it becomes readily available to those who want it in a timely fashion...
We keep the doctors who've received the benefit of a subsidized education here in Canada...working here in Canada
Benefit..We reduce wait times that we presently have in the system
Private care will provide additional taxes that can be injected into the public system, that will help reduce the costs and burden on our healthcare
Toad
That's my point EXACTLY!! It's ridiculous..
We have a two tiered system already! We're just forcing people to fly elsewhere to get it...
Why not keep it here in Canada where everyone benefits?
By having private care here in Canada it becomes readily available to those who want it in a timely fashion...
We keep the doctors who've received the benefit of a subsidized education here in Canada...working here in Canada
Benefit..We reduce wait times that we presently have in the system
Private care will provide additional taxes that can be injected into the public system, that will help reduce the costs and burden on our healthcare
Toad
DIY-HP-LED
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How about we just tax the rich person to pay for a basic human right, healthcare. We have a single payer healthcare system in Canada and the vast majority of the citizens are happy with it, you can even get insurance to pay for extra perks. Travel abroad is another option the wealthy have and we don't need to have our health care system distorted by greed and profit. Politicians and their families should be required to use the Canadian healthcare system unless extreme circumstances deem otherwise, if not they would end up in the private system and everybody's healthcare would suffer. Most Canadians are like me, we vehemently disagree with your perspective and ideology, 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system, except for a few brainwashed libertarians, mostly in Alberta.
Buck has sharply pointed out some flaws in you and your arguments, he is intelligent and perceptive and can see things in your posts that you are blind to because of your biases. He seems to post from his phone while working as a contractor and independent businessman and his comments are brief and to the point, sometimes that point is a little too sharp for some. Calling Buck "an absolute idiot" is an escalation, Buck throws people off guard to reveal their true intentions, logical and personal flaws. You wanted to keep it civil, so lead by example, being civil does not mean you can't piss someone off to get below the veneer of civility and to the core of their true motives. Libertarianism is only a rationalization for personal greed and an antisocial ideology, no different than fascism and as practical in economic terms as Lenin's version of communism. Remember, Buck is an actual capitalist, you are an employee, a bean counter.
I more or less consider this topic to be within the realm of American domestic business and most Canadians can only extol the virtues of our system and hope they try to emulate it in some way.
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MrToad69
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DIY..
You've seen the conversations between Buck and I.in the past..and you call my comments an escalation? Wow..
The rich are already taxed higher in Canada through a tiered taxation system...figure we should ramp that up? See what happened when France began to did that? Tax the rich? They simply moved out of the country..think of the Irving's going offshore, oil guy Murray Edward's to the UK..a lot of people who are affluent dont mind paying extra for all...but like business...If you impose anymore, if a blatant gouge happens..people leave...and when the public begins the think their entitled to the profits of business owners...things deteriorate. Business owners take a risk, and also employ people..but bare the burden if it goes south..
DIY..You have a history of blanket statements short on fact..mistakenly claiming Quebec with 25% of the population had the numbers..so they deserve 51% of the transfer payments? Or the fact that oil and gas subsidies you were talking about were in the US and not in Alberta, as per our discussion?
What are those valid points you claimed buck was making so we can discuss?
DIY-HP-LED
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You came on to his thread carrying the baggage of retaliation and an ideology that is unpopular in your own country and among sensible people everywhere. Buck can trade insults with the best of them or argue into the ground with facts and figures. He drew you out and you snowflaked out.
Taxation in Canada is based on residency not citizenship and I would like to see that change. Political change in America could preclude the option of running out on your country, as so many greed heads have done, sometimes with the government's help, like the Bronfman's. If the rich wanna leave there should be a very steep exit tax and no option for return, even for a visit, persona non grata statues I say.
This is the third time your anti french bigotry has shown through and You appear to think that giving money to the "other" is somehow a waste. Quebecers are Canadian citizens and entitled to transfer payments like Maritimers and there is and agreed upon constitutional formula for calculating these payments, argue with the experts, not me
I did not say we had those subsidies in Canada, the US has them, though the oil companies in Alberta are wrecking the environment and by not policing them properly and imposing the environmental costs on them they are in effect subsidized.
He started this thread to tell a personal story about a workplace injury and the cost of treatment in the states, you came on here spouting ideology and calling him an idiot. What about the creation of second class citizens? Are you an oil and gas "executive with lots of perks and a big paycheck? You must be wealthy to support such a greed driven agenda, no working person in their right mind could support such an idea as a two tier medical system. If you want private care nobody is stopping you from jumping on a plane and seeking it elsewhere, there are places where you can even see the poor sick people with out healthcare dying on the streets from your private luxury hospital room.
Buck cut to the point of your arguments in a sentence or two, just like he cut right to your personal flaws. Learn to speak French and appreciate our rich and diverse cultural heritage, don't worry about Quebec so much, they use your money to enjoy life.
UncleBuck
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MrToad69
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DIY
Its become pretty clear that your full of fluff and idealism very little tangible substance for support..kinda like some 30 year old kid living
in his parents basement and sponging off them; coming up with every excuse as to why things are as they are without trying to help improve the situation for everyone..
DIY..we have a health system that you and I both benefit from because of tax revenue...make no mistake..not sunshine and lollipops as some would suggest..69% of small business employs of Canadians..you gonna tax the crap out of those who provide the foundation for those funds?
Buck started a "public" thread stating point blank to "Abolish public Health care"..why didnt he just inbox you for that cozy little conversation? You throw it in a public forum..becomes open mike for opinions..no?
Healthcare..greed? Was that what I was proposing?..not at all..money generated from those who can afford goes back into system to support primary..qui twisting words.
DIY..you and I both benefit from our health system..one that is seriously strained...yet you have no concerns..as long as you're covered..what about the Dr working a hundred hours a week..? Thank gawd he/she is not relying on you for ideas to improve the system..as it seems your content that they work under status quo.
Re:Quebec...Are you from Quebec? It's amazing...your lack of fairness...Here you are passing out the tax revenues generated for all Canadians...sputtering out BS of how Quebec deserves that money...and not once have you acknowledged...you dont have a clue as to the size of Quebec or how much they collect...Instead you twist it into some accusation of ethnic bias? (you should have been on OJ Simpson's defense team)...heck, any other Province and I'd be saying the same thing..but it's you fabricating crap to deflect from the real issues..
I admire you looking for you buddy..but you and I are different that way..I guess Im a little surprised here too as seems like there are some ladies on this thread..so when Bucks best rebuttal involves animals and wives or wives being whores...and you remain mum..without calling him out?..
Well..judge for yourself...and the rollitup moderator thinks thats cool because it was a friend?
Buck cut to my personal flaws? In between all the swears and insults? I didnt get that.. what were my flaws?
Buck lacks class..and conducts himself in a manner that no one should condone..(mentioning women are whores? Women doing animals?) like a bully..and yet you and the moderator turn a blind eye and say..Oh thats just Buck!!
...so please save your pious crap for someone else
UncleBuck
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Woah buddy let’s keep it civil
DIY-HP-LED
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I'm 65 and retired at 57, but could have went at 55 if I had wanted to, I've worked since I was 16 years old and spent many school nights and week ends on the 4-12 shift. I also served my country for 2 years in the reserve forces at that time as well. Over the course my working career in Moncton NB and Winnipeg I ran a couple of small businesses on the side.
While in Winnipeg I took up a serious Buddhist meditation practice and my personal philosophy is to improve the world, do so one heart and mind at a time, start with yourself first though.
I vote liberal, if I wanted to do that I'd vote NDP, small business is not the problem, political corruption is, my favorite economist is Adam Smith you should read him and not just the right wing filtered bullshit they write about him.
The thread started with a picture of a very painful hand injury, a nail in his finger and how much it cost to have a corrupt private healthcare system treat it. My first post on the thread was an expression of concern and compassion, yours was to call him an idiot. Personal flaws again, lack of empathy yet again, hyper sensitivity to criticism and an inability to move on.
The thread title is: abolish-private-healthcare-insurance and I think it's a great idea for America. BTW 30% of Canadian health care is already provided by private insurance, I have it myself as part of my retirement package.
Take up a practice to some gain emotional strength and psychological flexibility.
There is no "moderator here, there is an ADMIN who has been here for many years and has seen it all, he follows a set rules and comments from time to time like any other member. Like I said before, Buck has done a good job of stripping away the veneer of civility to reveal the inner person. I personally know several people who lived in Alberta who could be joined at the hip with you ideologically. The big thing a few years ago was climate change denial and it still is in Alberta, but most of them have realized that ship has sailed.
Time to go have a meditation sit and put this shit in the past and you should as well, we don't agree on much.
Good night Toad
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