Abortion and Being Human

shadymyster555

shadymyster555

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So do you people eat eggs? You are killing an unborn chicken... So all of you prove life people must be vegans and eat nothing ? Plants are life, helpless cows are tied down in their feces and bread to be slaughtered, so everyone is saying for convenience not to kill;. Well for your CONVENIENCE A HELPLESS ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR YOUR PLEASURE OF HAVING A STEAK.. think about that shit, all of you people think pro life this well look at all variations of life.. Well at least terminating an early pregnancy isn't the same as killing a pregnancy that is near the end of the trimester. When it is just an egg it is fine. Just like your scrambled eggs. You dont' think twice about "what it could have been"
 
ORECAL

ORECAL

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I'm adopted... if someone like you had been my biological parent... I wouldn't be here... there are other options that don't include killing HUMANS... animals are a different story in my mind. we eat to stay healthy. survival of the fittest. having an abortion kills a human being, it's not the same thing. How can you tell me that there is no better option than abortion? YOU chose to have sex... if you can't take care of the responsibility that comes with that then give the child away.. don't fucking kill it. that's killing a part of you.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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shadymyster555 said:
So do you people eat eggs? You are killing an unborn chicken... So all of you prove life people must be vegans and eat nothing ? Plants are life, helpless cows are tied down in their feces and bread to be slaughtered, so everyone is saying for convenience not to kill;. Well for your CONVENIENCE A HELPLESS ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR YOUR PLEASURE OF HAVING A STEAK.. think about that shit, all of you people think pro life this well look at all variations of life.. Well at least terminating an early pregnancy isn't the same as killing a pregnancy that is near the end of the trimester. When it is just an egg it is fine. Just like your scrambled eggs. You dont' think twice about "what it could have been"
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lol, people = chickens. that's the cornerstone of anti-life thought.


(btw - the unfertilized egg isn't a chicken yet.)



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ViRedd

ViRedd

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shadymyster555 said:
So do you people eat eggs? You are killing an unborn chicken... So all of you prove life people must be vegans and eat nothing ? Plants are life, helpless cows are tied down in their feces and bread to be slaughtered, so everyone is saying for convenience not to kill;. Well for your CONVENIENCE A HELPLESS ANIMAL WAS KILLED FOR YOUR PLEASURE OF HAVING A STEAK.. think about that shit, all of you people think pro life this well look at all variations of life.. Well at least terminating an early pregnancy isn't the same as killing a pregnancy that is near the end of the trimester. When it is just an egg it is fine. Just like your scrambled eggs. You dont' think twice about "what it could have been"
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So, in your opinion, human life equates with a friggin' chicken? How demented is that? I suspect that you are another soul-less victim of our government monopolized school systems.

A heatbeat can be detected in a fetus within 17 days of conception. Abortion stops that heartbeat. The questions to ask yourself are ... is that heatbeat a human heart? The tiny limbs that are torn apart through abortion ... are those human limbs? The brain that is sucked down the abortionist drain ... are those human brains? The soul being terminated ... was that a gift created by God?

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7xstall

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Smirgen said:
Everybody here who was once a fetus raise your hands...(everybody raises hands)

now all those who have their hands raised go thank your momma for not killing you.


You know humanity is fucked when they cry out for a puppy being killed by a US soldier but dont shed a tear for the millions of unborn who were robbed of their lives.:sad:
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couldn't agree more.






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7xstall

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boooky said:
Lashing out doesnt get you heard soak in peoples opinions and feel them weather you like them or not at least vibe what someones opinion is. Just because I feel like standing up to sleep doesnt mean you gotta be offensive.

I mean as in I learn, I breath, I think, I have a brain, Have actually formed a human being. They dont let girls get abortions when tehy are more then 3 months because of this reason some have to be even less along then that. You telling people what to do with themselves is FED like. What other people do with their lives doesnt affect you or your opions.

You gotta look at it in more points of view then just yours thats whats wrong with people these days they think only for them selves and jibber stains on socks.

I mean I hope none of you guys that are not for abortion dont wear condoms or jack off because your murdering unborn babbys. Then you could talk about how abortion is fucked up other wise your a hypocrit wackin off to fat girls murdering babbys:blsmoke:

EDIT: Oh yeah forgot to add " KOBY!!"
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why three months? what's the difference between 3 months and 3 minutes? see if you can explain that to me...

pre-biology 98: conception doesn't occur when you jack off or wear a condom.






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boooky

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7xstall said:
why three months? what's the difference between 3 months and 3 minutes? see if you can explain that to me...

pre-biology 98: conception doesn't occur when you jack off or wear a condom.






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Shit I jibbered in a bloody rag last week does that make me a murder?

That is my concept it the same thing as a girl ythat has her tubes tyed and you release your little "babbys" into her unfertal body to die......This subject is stupid for that reason makes people that beleive in it wrong and not right for living other peoples lives. If you think its killing a babby then dont get an abortion thats your opinion and your right but dont judge sombody that does the opposite. Live your life dont worry about whos babbys dies worry about your kid and people you care about. Us as people cant police each other thats whats wrong with this country we should agree with peoples opinions because they are just that "THEIR " opinion, not yours so it doesnt affect your life its a opinion.

You saying its is wrong is different from saying it should be concidered murder or be illegal keep that in mind to. Thats the difference in some people they beleive its just wrong others try tell people they cant do it because its murder and girls that get it done should be murders and im sorry your wrong ive met alot of cool females that have had them and you judging them before you even met them is wrong and should be considered a hate crime right?
 
gotdamunchies

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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]I do believe that abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. But there are circumstances that make abortion justifiable, rape, incest, any type of sexual crime commited against a female. And lets not forget about the health of the mother that is carrying the child, if there is a danger to the life of the mother if she gives birth, them most certainly she should have the option to abort and save her own life.[/FONT]

The side of this debate that frustrates me more than any is the religious side. Lets look at a few numbers.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Who's having abortions (religion)?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".[/FONT]

By my calculations, thats over 75% of women who are getting abortions in this country who claim one faith or another. For all you religious people who like to throw their "god" and the 10 commandments around as reasons to not get an abortion, worry about your own back yard before you start telling the rest of the neighborhood what to do with theirs.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Who's having abortions (income)?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.[/FONT]


Thats over 50% of the women making over $30K a year are aborting a child for one reason or another (see bottom of page for link). So what financial class you are in plays very little role as some would like to believe as well. Just because you are poor doesnt mean you are more likely to have an abortion either.

EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION....

Aside from crimes against women and children, the whole issue could be solved with educating our children. Unwanted pregnancy, all forms of abuse (ie: mental, physical), drug and alcohol addiction, (and the list could go on and on) these are all problems that can be addressed in the home. I try to never blame the children for the shitty things they do. I try to look at what kind of morals and guidlines parents instilled on their children. Succesful parenting is the answer to many of the problems that we face today as a society. IF YOU RAISE YOUR CHILD TO BE A PILE OF SHIT, WE THEY GROW UP, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY WILL MAKE SHITTY CHOICES AND BE JUST THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU MADE THEM!!!!

If religion is the path that you choose, and it works for you..great. But there are many of us that lead successful lives, raise great children, and cause society no ill will, while at the same time choose not to have any religious affiliation.

Freedom of religion also gives us the freedom to NOT be religious.




I got abortion stats here Abortion Statistics
 
medicineman

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ORECAL said:
I'm adopted... if someone like you had been my biological parent... I wouldn't be here... there are other options that don't include killing HUMANS... animals are a different story in my mind. we eat to stay healthy. survival of the fittest. having an abortion kills a human being, it's not the same thing. How can you tell me that there is no better option than abortion? YOU chose to have sex... if you can't take care of the responsibility that comes with that then give the child away.. don't fucking kill it. that's killing a part of you.
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Actually, how do we know that you not being here wouldn't be a good thing. there are a lot of humans that the world would have been better off from them not being here: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Jeffrey Dalmer, I'm pretty sure if we could have seen them in the womb, Abortion would have been the solution. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating your death, just drawing a comparison to the Mozart and Da-vinci parables.
 
7xstall

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boooky said:
Shit I jibbered in a bloody rag last week does that make me a murder?

That is my concept it the same thing as a girl ythat has her tubes tyed and you release your little "babbys" into her unfertal body to die......This subject is stupid for that reason makes people that beleive in it wrong and not right for living other peoples lives. If you think its killing a babby then dont get an abortion thats your opinion and your right but dont judge sombody that does the opposite. Live your life dont worry about whos babbys dies worry about your kid and people you care about. Us as people cant police each other thats whats wrong with this country we should agree with peoples opinions because they are just that "THEIR " opinion, not yours so it doesnt affect your life its a opinion.

You saying its is wrong is different from saying it should be concidered murder or be illegal keep that in mind to. Thats the difference in some people they beleive its just wrong others try tell people they cant do it because its murder and girls that get it done should be murders and im sorry your wrong ive met alot of cool females that have had them and you judging them before you even met them is wrong and should be considered a hate crime right?
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let's go back to middle school. conception occurs when the sperm and the egg join. that's when you have a living human being.

now it's a hate crime to value human life??

see, the belief system that allows people to consider human life so worthless is a major component of what is wrong with the world today. violence, murders, wars, butchering babies... can you really not see how it's all related?




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ORECAL

ORECAL

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medicineman said:
Actually, how do we know that you not being here wouldn't be a good thing. there are a lot of humans that the world would have been better off from them not being here: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Jeffrey Dalmer, I'm pretty sure if we could have seen them in the womb, Abortion would have been the solution. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating your death, just drawing a comparison to the Mozart and Da-vinci parables.
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I don't believe that aborting those people would be the answer. I don't advocate anything they did and their actions were horrible for the people affected and the world in general. But we learned from these people none the less. Had you not had the examples you used, would you be able to defend getting an abortion? cases of rape and incest are one thing, personally I don't agree with allowing them to abort babies either, but understand where their thinking comes from. But no matter what the circumstances are, the child should not be denied life, they have nothing to do with the circumstances of the pregnancy.
 
medicineman

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ORECAL said:
I don't believe that aborting those people would be the answer. I don't advocate anything they did and their actions were horrible for the people affected and the world in general. But we learned from these people none the less. Had you not had the examples you used, would you be able to defend getting an abortion? cases of rape and incest are one thing, personally I don't agree with allowing them to abort babies either, but understand where their thinking comes from. But no matter what the circumstances are, the child should not be denied life, they have nothing to do with the circumstances of the pregnancy.
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OK, I think abortion is wrong, But I'm not a teenage girl caught in an ugly circumstance. I can't see her mindset, and to incarcerate her for her mistake would make no sense to me. It would just ruin another young life. That is what we're looking at if Abortion is made illegal. Her and thousands of dr.s nurses and other recipients of abortion would be jailed, or the back alley butchers would kill another 1,000 or so every year. Who's life is more important the mother or the unborn? That is the question.
 
Titania

Titania

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boooky said:
Shit I jibbered in a bloody rag last week does that make me a murder?

That is my concept it the same thing as a girl ythat has her tubes tyed and you release your little "babbys" into her unfertal body to die......This subject is stupid for that reason makes people that beleive in it wrong and not right for living other peoples lives. If you think its killing a babby then dont get an abortion thats your opinion and your right but dont judge sombody that does the opposite. Live your life dont worry about whos babbys dies worry about your kid and people you care about. Us as people cant police each other thats whats wrong with this country we should agree with peoples opinions because they are just that "THEIR " opinion, not yours so it doesnt affect your life its a opinion.

You saying its is wrong is different from saying it should be concidered murder or be illegal keep that in mind to. Thats the difference in some people they beleive its just wrong others try tell people they cant do it because its murder and girls that get it done should be murders and im sorry your wrong ive met alot of cool females that have had them and you judging them before you even met them is wrong and should be considered a hate crime right?
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Your understanding of basic biology is embarrassing. You seem to think that a spermatozoa is the same thing as a fetus. If you had paid attention in class, you would know that the zygote from the spermatozoa, and the zygote from the female egg fuse. Each zygote has only half of the chromosomes as a normal human (23), hence the fusing of these zygotes will produce an embryo with 46 chromosomes. And yes I will judge someone who is contemplating destroying the life of a human being; that's not to say that that individual is a murderer in the typical sense, they are usually very naive, and lack understanding (as you did) of the real moral implications there decision will have. In fact a lot of Mothers regret having an abortion and feel like murderers themselves afterwords. You say we can't police each other? What the hell is that supposed to mean? The world would be in a pretty bad way if we all ignored the injustices that were going on around us. The problem is your so anti establishment, that you think people should be free to do whatever they want, without the state becoming involved in any moral issue. I would be the first to criticize governments for the lack of liberty, and for many other injustices, but, I understand that there are at least some basic ethics at work in government that keep society rolling. Also the evangelicals in America don't help with the pro-life idea, and tend to give it a bad image, not to mention the extremists who bomb clinics.

Also next time can you sort out your writing, I got nauseous just reading it.
 
Titania

Titania

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medicineman said:
OK, I think abortion is wrong, But I'm not a teenage girl caught in an ugly circumstance. I can't see her mindset, and to incarcerate her for her mistake would make no sense to me. It would just ruin another young life. That is what we're looking at if Abortion is made illegal. Her and thousands of dr.s nurses and other recipients of abortion would be jailed, or the back alley butchers would kill another 1,000 or so every year. Who's life is more important the mother or the unborn? That is the question.
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Some good points there, thanks medicineman.:blsmoke:
 
ORECAL

ORECAL

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medicineman said:
OK, I think abortion is wrong, But I'm not a teenage girl caught in an ugly circumstance. I can't see her mindset, and to incarcerate her for her mistake would make no sense to me. It would just ruin another young life. That is what we're looking at if Abortion is made illegal. Her and thousands of dr.s nurses and other recipients of abortion would be jailed, or the back alley butchers would kill another 1,000 or so every year. Who's life is more important the mother or the unborn? That is the question.
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I've been in the circumstance of an unwanted pregnancy... unfortunately we lost it naturally. I'm not saying that abortion should be illegal (we don't need ANYMORE laws, we too many as it is), I want people to make the right decision on their own, we have learned from the war on drugs that creating laws does not work. The worst part about me being in that situation is that I was the father, not the mother. I had no way of stopping her from aborting the baby if I wasn't able to convince her not to. Even if I wanted to raise the baby I could not have stopped her, I think that needs to change. The issue should not be one of legallity or not, it should be about human responsibility and not running away from the problems you created for yourself. in my mind, getting an abortion, no matter what the circumstances, is cowardly, selfish, and irresponsible.
 
LION~of~ZION

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jamiemichelle said:
I think that abortion should be a womans choice, at the same time though, women should be more responsible and abortion should not be used as a birth control method.

I believe it should be outlawed after the first trimester. After working in a neonatal intensive care unit and seeing babies born at 22-24 weeks then going home months later... proves to me that abortion that late is murder.

This may seem shallow of me but, I had a good friend who got pregnant and she was not to positive who the father was... so she went back and forth whether she was going to keep it or not and it was depending on if she could figure out who the father was...utimately she couldnt figure it out and she had too much pride to get a paternity test SO, she aborted at 29 weeks. I lost respect for her that day and never regained it. She felt "HIM" move, and that was her 3rd late term abortion.

In almost all states late term abortion is legal, which means even though the baby is viable and could totally be adopted by a family that has been longing to have a child, that just because a mother is "depressed" a doctor can go up in her at 40 weeks and snap the babies neck because she couldnt deal with the fact that there was a baby out there, thats hers, that she is not taking care of him/her.

If a baby is not viable and has medical problems or the mothers physical health is affected, then that to me is the only time late term abortion is ok.
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well said!
 
boooky

boooky

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Titania said:
Your understanding of basic biology is embarrassing. You seem to think that a spermatozoa is the same thing as a fetus. If you had paid attention in class, you would know that the zygote from the spermatozoa, and the zygote from the female egg fuse. Each zygote has only half of the chromosomes as a normal human (23), hence the fusing of these zygotes will produce an embryo with 46 chromosomes. And yes I will judge someone who is contemplating destroying the life of a human being; that's not to say that that individual is a murderer in the typical sense, they are usually very naive, and lack understanding (as you did) of the real moral implications there decision will have. In fact a lot of Mothers regret having an abortion and feel like murderers themselves afterwords. You say we can't police each other? What the hell is that supposed to mean? The world would be in a pretty bad way if we all ignored the injustices that were going on around us. The problem is your so anti establishment, that you think people should be free to do whatever they want, without the state becoming involved in any moral issue. I would be the first to criticize governments for the lack of liberty, and for many other injustices, but, I understand that there are at least some basic ethics at work in government that keep society rolling. Also the evangelicals in America don't help with the pro-life idea, and tend to give it a bad image, not to mention the extremists who bomb clinics.

Also next time can you sort out your writing, I got nauseous just reading it.
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My problem is I dont tell people how to live there lives if it doesnt affect the life of anyone else. And I believe you trying to force your belief on others is hitler shit. Ok lets say I wanna go kill my self imma just go do it people like you will take out everybody that disagrees with them before they do it same concept different circumstances. Weather your beleif is right or wrong peoples attitude towards people who do it is fowl. Respect people weather they smoke crack or have abortions they are still human and they do diserve that weather you believe it or not.

Yeah lets outlaw abortions just like alcohol back then? or like weed is now? or shit maybe even say black people got to sit at the back of the bus? Control is what makes the world it is today it makes the most honest person into a power hungry mad man that "controls" everybody. Your opinios or beleifs are yours forcing them on others is wrong it doesnt matter what you say.

I just want to know in real honestly how you call this murder...Dont attack my grammer skills or lack there of brain work here just give and answer. I mean lets just say so happen that this passed and your mother so happen to be a doctor that worked at abortion clinic your 12 years old no other family....Where do you go once your mother has 1000s of murder charges and life in prison? And dont forget she was a good mother did right by "YOUR" beleifs (sence thats what matters to you) other then the fact she made a good living doing somthing you disagreed with. Now life in prison son is with some old lady he has never met before and has to think of his mother as a murder. See the damage done even with your types of ethics there is no good done in the deed you have done sorry I see no justice I see broken homes.
 
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