ADHD Awareness Thread

purklize

Active Member
Pay attention.
Stop fooling around.
If you would just try, you could do it.
You're lazy.
Settle down.
You can do it when you want to.
Why are you acting this way?
You're too smart to get such terrible grades.
Your room is always mess.
You just have to buckle down.
Stop bothering other children.
Are you trying to drive me crazy?
Why can't you just act like your brother or sister?
Why are you so irresponsible?
You aren't grateful for anything.


http://www.helpguide.org/mental/adhd_add_adult_symptoms.htm <-- basic overview
http://www.chicagocarless.com/2010/02/13/the-adhdeer-in-headlights-syndrome/ <-- overwhelmed and can't tackle anything you need to in life?
http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/757.html <-- chronic, unexplained sleep problems such as a "rolling" sleep schedule?
http://depositfiles.com/files/ua7keyv4j <-- great self-help book... "You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Stupid, or Crazy?!" ... describes the condition, maladaptive coping strategies undiagnosed ADHD'ers develop to hide their condition from themselves and others, and how to make it an asset instead of a handicap

I recently discovered I have ADHD in a big way - and it explains a lot of shit I've struggled with my entire life and problems I've had, whether practical, mental, or physical... it's amazing how no one caught it, considering how obvious it was... so I'm guessing there's probably enough weird people here on this forum that some of you may be in the same situation. Hence this thread...

It's a real condition, not "fake" or "made up" or an "excuse for laziness" - there are actual documented changes in the development of the brain, including different lobe sizes, different bloodflow, and a dopaminergic system that is all screwy (the stimulant ADHD medications often, though not always, have the opposite effect in those with ADHD as in those who don't have it - if you feel calm or sleepy after blowing a line you have ADHD). It's incurable, but it's manageable, so long as it's acknowledged and not minimized (you can't just "will" your way out of it).

Those with ADHD are overwhelmed with everyday life, unable to determine what to focus on first, and lack the ability to concentrate when needed - but, it's a paradoxical condition. The reason no one thought I had it is because of "hyperfocus," which is where you get so focused on something interesting that you lose all concept of time and can't break away for hours, sometimes days of continuous work. It's why when you guys get me on a topic I find interesting - politics, economics, social justice - I end up writing some absurdly long winded shit.

Basically it's a deficit of executive function - ADHD'ers can't choose what to focus on. If something is interesting, you get stuck. If something is boring, no matter how hard you try or how badly you want to do it, you won't be able to - you'll spend 99% of your time staring blankly, waking back up every half hour or so for a brief moment before spacing back out. Time slips through your fingers like sand. After enough years of upsetting failures, you learn to just avoid trying, because the only result is suffering and more damage to your self esteem. Obviously this is harmful not only to yourself but to relationships. It's common to forget what you're talking about mid-sentence, and to have difficulty paying attention to what others are saying (especially in a classroom format!). I've realized I've become an expert at reconstituting meaning from bits and pieces of sentence fragments and words. No wonder no one can tell when I'm ripped. :bigjoint:

And the more tired or stressed out you are, the worse the ADHD symptoms become. It's like quicksand. The more you need to do, the less you're capable of accomplishing, by no fault of your own. And the more it makes you fuck up, the more stress you face, therefore you fuck up even more. It's a feedback loop.

Apparently ADHD'ers frequently fall ill when they're pushing themselves too hard and are becoming overwhelmed. It's probably why I ended up with shingles last year. :? Pace yourselves and take care of your health!

It's not all bad though. If you have ADHD you are likely to be wicked creative. Anyone ever wonder when they saw all my revenge ideas for getting back at bad roommates? It took brain damage to come up with shit that twisted. :bigjoint: And if you can somehow learn to induce that state of hyperfocus (which I'm trying to figure out) you can be amazingly productive. It's playing with fire though. Browsing Wikipedia is like driving a silver stake through my heart - kiss everything I was supposed to be doing goodbye, and say hello to days of sharing obscure facts and ideas with everyone I know about random wars, economic principles, weird animals, you name it... :bigjoint:The internet is deadly for us - it wouldn't be a bad idea to stuff my computer with hand grenades and hurl it into a lake of fire. Maybe drop a few hydrogen bombs on it for good measure.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Congratulations! I've been diagnosed since middle school! Turns out so has every creative, artistic, self starting person I know. Problem conforming, don't like the way others do things, feel like your capable of more....... your brains is capable, society is not designed to help free thinking, creative people... I am glad I'm this way, do things for myself without all the stresses of society!

I hope this did not come across as wrong, but honestly almost all of my friends are ADD or ADHD and the medical system want to slow us down to make us sheep! Fuck that! Go create something awesome, your probably one of creative ones who can! Go check out the art forums and see how many people are ADD.

I don't think it is something to be fixed, its something to learn to use. I am self employed, peddle my bike all over the place, grow, paint, raise my family, have a huge garden, find time to travel all over and see concerts and go to festivals all the time, I don't think most of this would be true for a one track mind! Just my 2 cent!
 

TheMan13

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Can you relate to this tune ;)

[video=youtube;fA5kgwx58co]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5kgwx58co[/video]

I had dyslexia that wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult in the service along with red/green color blindness. How about that Detroit school system ;)
 

purklize

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Bigtacofarmer: it really depends on what you want to do with your life. Unfortunately, for the career I've desperately wanted for 12+ years now, unmanaged ADHD has been a big problem. The creativity is my biggest asset though, no doubt. I've written a lot of music and it shows there. Some people need medication, some don't - again, it depends on what you want to do, the nature of your ADHD (some are more inattention, some are more hyperactive, the hyperactives are more likely to get away with it being untreated), and the severity of it. :bigjoint:
 

keepitcoastal

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I have ADHD and one of the worst things that could have happend is be diagnosed and then medicated with amphetamines and other stimulants I lost 45 pounds in less than 2 months on a doctors prescription for adderal. All the medications also gave me years of severe insomnia which is why i have medical marijuana card in the first place. I stopped as soon as i turned 18 and had a choice. They act as if the ADHD mind is bad for society and that we need to fix it! they(doctors and whoever are pushing these adhd medications). So what if i couldn't sit still for 15minutes straight in english class, I can build engines behind my back and iv been getting sent engines from people around the world for Professional race porting sense i was 16years old. ADHD means nothing, it just means we have a different brain that was not meant to be in a class room yet they excel in other places! but these medications for adhd completely fuck with those natural ability in my opinion.

ok thats was my rant lol
 

purklize

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ADHD means nothing, it just means we have a different brain that was not meant to be in a class room yet they excel in other places!


What if what you want to do is be in a classroom? Then ADHD presents a real problem.

I'm having problems with the hyperactivity part lately and I've slept a grand total of 3 hours in the last 3-4 days. Nothing knocks me out. Been up since Saturday. Just blew an important exam because I was hallucinating while taking it. If it's in line with your goals, go ahead and celebrate it, but it's had some profoundly detrimental effects on mine.
 

gladstoned

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It is too hard to read, to many pretty colors, oh look a bird, I'm hungry
When I get busy, I like to sit in my office for a few and catch a buzz, bullshit on here...
Any long post like that, I cannot sit down and make it through the whole thing. It has to be really really interesting, or have boobs, or something.
A movie has to kick ass, right from the start for me to watch it. My attention span is just fucked.
I can say, it's getting worse. lmao. I am not sure the extent of my fuckedupness, but I'm sure it's a doozy.
ADD, ADHD, OCD, not sure.
 

TheMan13

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I'm having problems with the hyperactivity part lately and I've slept a grand total of 3 hours in the last 3-4 days. Nothing knocks me out. Been up since Saturday. Just blew an important exam because I was hallucinating while taking it. If it's in line with your goals, go ahead and celebrate it, but it's had some profoundly detrimental effects on mine.
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Have you tried Benadryl for sleep? It may seem odd, but as it is cheap, effective and not dangerous you might want to give it a try. You may already have some lying around.
 

gladstoned

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Have you tried Benadryl for sleep? It may seem odd, but as it is cheap, effective and not dangerous you might want to give it a try. You may already have some lying around.
Is that like sippin on some syrup?
[video=youtube;fcLJe2trU9U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLJe2trU9U&amp;feature=related[/video]
 

purklize

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Yeah - Benadryl won't knock me out anymore. Even if it does it makes me oversleep and leaves me groggy for days. Ambien and Xanax or Valium work at times like this, but I don't have my old doctor anymore and the one I have now won't give me even just one a month. Apparently that would lead to me becoming a heroin addict. The irony is without them heroin is much more tempting. :bigjoint: (kidding of course...) MJ tends to make me manic and give me insomnia - it doesn't affect everyone the same way.
 

keepitcoastal

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What if what you want to do is be in a classroom? Then ADHD presents a real problem.

I'm having problems with the hyperactivity part lately and I've slept a grand total of 3 hours in the last 3-4 days. Nothing knocks me out. Been up since Saturday. Just blew an important exam because I was hallucinating while taking it. If it's in line with your goals, go ahead and celebrate it, but it's had some profoundly detrimental effects on mine.
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Are you taking medication for ADHD?
 

TheMan13

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None of the Rx I have ever tried for sleep worked for me either. To be honest when it gets really bad I take a couple Norco and let the hydrocodon OD knock me out these days. It's not like that shit works for pain ;) This would not be good if I were having PTSD symptoms like night terrors though :o
 

purklize

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I don't blame you, I've taken dozens of medications and most of them had undesirable side effects (and/or didn't work at all). Generally, the ones that actually work are scheduled - funny how that works.

I forgot to respond to the guy who said Adderall made him lose tons of weight - I was given these things a really long time ago and Adderall made me lose weight like crazy, but Dexedrine didn't. Adderall is a "mixed isomer" version that has the version of the drug that causes a racing heart, anxiety, and weight loss. Dexedrine is very clean and didn't make me drop a single pound or give me anxiety... I've had it put me to sleep before even, it's not really stimulating, which is undesirable and unhealthy IMO.

It's all about how the person reacts... I have friends who puke their guts out from a single Vicodin, whereas I can take three Percocet 10s and not even feel the slightest bit of nausea... I tried the antidepressants for anxiety and the side effects were terrible, but I have a cousin who takes them and it's turned her life around entirely, saved her marriage too...

Basically where it goes wrong is when the doctor is just like YOU WILL TAKE THIS... with no feedback and research from you... YOU should be the person who decides whether it's beneficial or detrimental... because you are the only one that knows you. Our medical system is broken... the doctors should be our consultants, not our bosses...

Are you taking medication for ADHD?
At this point, no... but I have some doctors visits scheduled. We'll see what comes of it.
 

keepitcoastal

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I didnt experience the racing thoughts and sleep problems that my doctors associated with my adhd until after i had done multiple medications for afew years. i saw doctors 2 times a months for 8 years and i tried ALOT of medications looking for the proper one. But i finally came to the conclusion im better of without them. over 8 years of doing them i feel they made serious changes to my brain chemistry. Its not more medications or doctors you need, you need a serious schedule to get your body in a proper sleep schedule and the rest will follow. If you do hours of serious physical activity a day your brain will rest and hyperactivity becomes controllable and i promise you will pass the fuck out early every evening. I was just like you for years and i finally got put in check naturally.
 

purklize

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Yeah, I've tried all that... if I force myself onto a schedule I just end up not sleeping at all, it can go on for weeks... I really appreciate the concern and suggestions, lots of good people here... I've had this problem my entire life, my parents told me I barely slept even when I was a toddler and I have clear memories of lying awake all night watching the sun come up in Chicago... I was six when we lived there lol... from what I've read, ADHD appears in different forms and severities in different people, and different people react differently to all the medications or other methods of controlling the problem...

I was thinking about building a bedhammer... that is, a pneumatic mallet, like a jackhammer, suspended from the ceiling, which pummels me unconscious when the weight of my head triggers the button under my pillow... the noise might disturb the neighbors though, so I'd have to also have it bounce some heavy bowling balls across the floor, so they think there's a mini French Revolution happening in my apartment... let the heads roll... :bigjoint:
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Bigtacofarmer: it really depends on what you want to do with your life. Unfortunately, for the career I've desperately wanted for 12+ years now, unmanaged ADHD has been a big problem. The creativity is my biggest asset though, no doubt. I've written a lot of music and it shows there. Some people need medication, some don't - again, it depends on what you want to do, the nature of your ADHD (some are more inattention, some are more hyperactive, the hyperactives are more likely to get away with it being untreated), and the severity of it. :bigjoint:
I don't know what you do but I'm sure it suck to not do it the way you should. I get really frustrated painting, I have a lot, a lot of unfinished work, and very few I ever get done. I helps a little to have them all set up to go, sort of ADD ready, I find myself getting into a painting when I hadn't even planned on it. I doubt I could function happily in any sort of "9-5" type job. The fact you have a career you love is awesome, not many do. I hope you find a way to integrate rather than go the pharmy route. Either way good luck.

Every now and then when I'm really enjoying a bike ride I will damn near clip a tree just because I found something more interesting..... gotta watch out!
 

purklize

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I do very technical, hands-on work - it's not just frustrating and an impediment to progress to be spacing out all the time, it's downright dangerous.

Yeah - we'll see what I end up doing. If I do end up using pharmaceuticals I will keep you guys posted on what happens, so you can know if it really does fry someone's brain or not. :bigjoint:I should add though that I have a friend who has been on Ritalin since she was 5 and she's sharp as hell and really creative - and I have another friend who has been on Desoxyn (methamphetamine, lol) since he was 5 as well... and he's a successful writer. Also a sharp, with it, and very creative guy. Thing is, when you have ADHD (and not another condition with similar symptoms, which do exist - depression, anxiety, etc.) the way your dopaminergic neurons operate is like you're on amphetamine 24/7... hence you're fried, wired and tired, and inattentive. Amphetamine actually reverses the way these neurons behave, so those with ADHD become normal. Those without ADHD will end up burning out and turning into an ADHD'er if they use amphetamines for a long time...

I almost maimed my wife once when I saw an amazing rainbow on a bike ride, I swerved hard toward it and whammo... lol. The first few times I drove I looked at a house and promptly veered right off the road. :bigjoint: I am a good driver now, a hell of a lot better than most out there, probably mostly because I'm so aware of my own weaknesses that I'm very careful and plan for mistakes... a long time ago I was driving on a monotonous, long, boring road and (this is very common with ADHD) became hypnotized, blacked out for a few seconds... woke up rumbling through the median, pulled back onto the highway and rain had just started coming down, driving the oil out of the pavement... spun three times and went flying sideways into the ditch at over 80mph, just barely not rolling, and coming to a full stop a couple feet from a tree... moral of the story is untreated ADHD can be far more dangerous than experimenting with crack as a treatment... :bigjoint:
 
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