Air-Assisted Atomizer System Development and Inquiry

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jamesvagabond

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Hey folks, this is my first post but I have been hovering for a while now reading through the TAG threads. Big thanks to TF, Fatman, Atomizer, TB, JT and all the pioneers (don't take it personally if I left you out).

So here is what I want to have in place, followed by what materials and arrangements I need to use.

8x 1KW HPS on light trackers. 12 individual 4x4 foot plant sites, scrogged and trained mathematically for optimal bud site formation. To clarify, one plant site will be in its own chamber, and the top dimensions of the plant is trained to fit a 4x4 foot grid with ~ 64 bud sites. Of the 12 plants in the bud cycle, they will be divided in 3 groups of four plants, spaced 3 weeks apart in time. So 4 plants in weeks 1-3, another 4 in weeks 4-6, and a ripening 4 in weeks 6-9. Every 3 weeks it gets harvested and replaced with the preceding four plants, ad infinitum. Thanks to Dru West for all the research and help. (12 is my limit for 2 patients, MMJ and DON'T want to break any rules, however ridiculous they may be).

I want to grow large plants obviously, and when done properly 1lb+ per plant is commonly seen using this method (CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT IN ACTION WITH AN AERO SYSTEM!!). The plants are topped early in their growth and encouraged to bush out producing 64 main and sub branches that each can yield 1/8-1/4 oz per branch. They are kept at a uniform height to discourage having one central cola, distributing its energy equally to all sites. I have to keep them low because of my ceilings, so I am looking to design a large root chamber 4'x4' cube or better a 4'x4' cylinder. a 55 gallon drum could be used, but I am worried it may be too narrow for what I have in mind. I'm super open to suggestions, and looking to save as much money as I can in this investment without cutting corners and sacrificing quality/performance.

In that chamber I still need to figure out the sprayer configurations, it seems like at LEAST 4 sprays would be necessary, I am even thinking 4 dual-head sprayers. I want to use atomizer sprayers, my only concern with this is that I am an organic grower, and use beneficial microorganisms and fungi. Would the pressure/force of atomization cavitate the cells? I have used sonicators in the past for algae projects and that force was used to rupture the cell membranes. I wonder if the force of atomization would do that. Or would I have to just dip the roots in some MO/fungi powder periodically?

I know practically all of this information is out there through this forum, but I am hoping we can get this thread to have an updated supplier/cost list for parts and materials. A lot changes in a couple years and some of the most detailed past threads may not reflect current prices/availability.

So I would like to know some costs/suppliers for HDPE tanks (may see how much it is to make custom tanks if I can't find something at the right dimensions), atomizers sprayers/nozzles, silent air compressors oil-less, accumulators, water chillers, solenoids, relays, etc. I am all about DIY and love to get crafty with things, so no idea is far-fetched to me if it means a working rigged up system.

Up until now I have just been absorbing info and trying to find what works best for me, but now is the nitty-gritty. Details details details, parts hunting, staying broke for another 5-6 months, and putting it all together. Thanks for stopping by and I am eager to make wake.
 
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jamesvagabond

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jamesvagabond said:
Hey folks, this is my first post but I have been hovering for a while now reading through the TAG threads. Big thanks to TF, Fatman, Atomizer, TB, JT and all the pioneers (don't take it personally if I left you out).

So here is what I want to have in place, followed by what materials and arrangements I need to use.

8x 1KW HPS on light trackers. 12 individual 4x4 foot plant sites, scrogged and trained mathematically for optimal bud site formation. To clarify, one plant site will be in its own chamber, and the top dimensions of the plant is trained to fit a 4x4 foot grid with ~ 64 bud sites. Of the 12 plants in the bud cycle, they will be divided in 3 groups of four plants, spaced 3 weeks apart in time. So 4 plants in weeks 1-3, another 4 in weeks 4-6, and a ripening 4 in weeks 6-9. Every 3 weeks it gets harvested and replaced with the preceding four plants, ad infinitum. Thanks to Dru West for all the research and help. (12 is my limit for 2 patients, MMJ and DON'T want to break any rules, however ridiculous they may be).

I want to grow large plants obviously, and when done properly 1lb+ per plant is commonly seen using this method (CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT IN ACTION WITH AN AERO SYSTEM!!). The plants are topped early in their growth and encouraged to bush out producing 64 main and sub branches that each can yield 1/8-1/4 oz per branch. They are kept at a uniform height to discourage having one central cola, distributing its energy equally to all sites. I have to keep them low because of my ceilings, so I am looking to design a large root chamber 4'x4' cube or better a 4'x4' cylinder. a 55 gallon drum could be used, but I am worried it may be too narrow for what I have in mind. I'm super open to suggestions, and looking to save as much money as I can in this investment without cutting corners and sacrificing quality/performance.

In that chamber I still need to figure out the sprayer configurations, it seems like at LEAST 4 sprays would be necessary, I am even thinking 4 dual-head sprayers. I want to use atomizer sprayers, my only concern with this is that I am an organic grower, and use beneficial microorganisms and fungi. Would the pressure/force of atomization cavitate the cells? I have used sonicators in the past for algae projects and that force was used to rupture the cell membranes. I wonder if the force of atomization would do that. Or would I have to just dip the roots in some MO/fungi powder periodically?

I know practically all of this information is out there through this forum, but I am hoping we can get this thread to have an updated supplier/cost list for parts and materials. A lot changes in a couple years and some of the most detailed past threads may not reflect current prices/availability.

So I would like to know some costs/suppliers for HDPE tanks (may see how much it is to make custom tanks if I can't find something at the right dimensions), atomizers sprayers/nozzles, silent air compressors oil-less, accumulators, water chillers, solenoids, relays, etc. I am all about DIY and love to get crafty with things, so no idea is far-fetched to me if it means a working rigged up system.

Up until now I have just been absorbing info and trying to find what works best for me, but now is the nitty-gritty. Details details details, parts hunting, staying broke for another 5-6 months, and putting it all together. Thanks for stopping by and I am eager to make wake.
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After doing some more reading on this forum I feel safe to think I can go with a smaller root chamber. Still confuses me with the whole as above/so below deal, I would think the roots need to be as wide and as deep as the branches.

Gonna construct most of this system, using 2" foam and some plastic sheeting. Ooops, late for work...
 
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indrhrvest

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jamesvagabond said:
So I would like to know some costs/suppliers for HDPE tanks (may see how much it is to make custom tanks if I can't find something at the right dimensions), atomizers sprayers/nozzles, silent air compressors oil-less, accumulators, water chillers, solenoids, relays, etc.
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If you can wait 4-6 months we should be done developing a 4X4 system based off our 4X8 system. I personally wouldn't bother with air assisted, we spent a lot of money testing various types of aero and found HPA (80-100 psi) was the best all around. Air assisted comes up short in the early stages of root development and the extra electricty to run the compressor just isn't worth it.

A single 100 PSI on demand diaphram pump with a 24 oz accumulator is more than enough to handle 4X4. You'll cycle the pump every 2-3 feedings and only use 0.02 Kwh per day. Not to mention you can run a 12 volt pump instead of a 120 volt and use a battery backup incase of an electrical outtage.
 
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jamesvagabond

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indrhrvest said:
If you can wait 4-6 months we should be done developing a 4X4 system based off our 4X8 system. I personally wouldn't bother with air assisted, we spent a lot of money testing various types of aero and found HPA (80-100 psi) was the best all around. Air assisted comes up short in the early stages of root development and the extra electricty to run the compressor just isn't worth it.

A single 100 PSI on demand diaphram pump with a 24 oz accumulator is more than enough to handle 4X4. You'll cycle the pump every 2-3 feedings and only use 0.02 Kwh per day. Not to mention you can run a 12 volt pump instead of a 120 volt and use a battery backup incase of an electrical outtage.
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Thank you for your feedback, I don't have facebook so I can't see the page, have any other way of access? Also I should state that each chamber holds only one plant, with a total of 12 chambers/12 plants. So I need the most efficient means of delivering spray to that large of a system. Gotta run numbers but welcome outside feedback.

Not looking to spend 1K+ per chamber so DIY seems the safe route. In some cases DIY turns out better, as there is are more material constraints with commercializing a system. There is what should be done for a great system, and what is profitable...
 
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indrhrvest

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jamesvagabond said:
Thank you for your feedback, I don't have facebook so I can't see the page, have any other way of access?
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You should not need a Facebook account to view the page, it's a Company Facebook page.

Also I should state that each chamber holds only one plant, with a total of 12 chambers/12 plants. So I need the most efficient means of delivering spray to that large of a system. Gotta run numbers but welcome outside feedback.
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I don't really see a reason to run seperate chambers. All that matters is proper nozzle placement depending on the spray pattern of the nozzle.

Not looking to spend 1K+ per chamber so DIY seems the safe route. In some cases DIY turns out better, as there is are more material constraints with commercializing a system. There is what should be done for a great system, and what is profitable...
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The only thing we manufacture is the HDPE root chamber. I imagine a 4X4 chamber would retail for around $350. It would cost more than that just to buy sheet HDPE since we roto mold. If you use any other material you will get nutrient/scum build up that will require regular cleaning.

We will just be a retail supplier of nozzles, pumps fitting etc.. So it doesn't matter whether you bought the parts from us or someone else. There is nothing fancy about our design at all. We make our money by buying in bulk from the manufacturer and retailing the parts.

 
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jamesvagabond

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indrhrvest said:
You should not need a Facebook account to view the page, it's a Company Facebook page.



I don't really see a reason to run seperate chambers. All that matters is proper nozzle placement depending on the spray pattern of the nozzle.



The only thing we manufacture is the HDPE root chamber. I imagine a 4X4 chamber would retail for around $350. It would cost more than that just to buy sheet HDPE since we roto mold. If you use any other material you will get nutrient/scum build up that will require regular cleaning.

We will just be a retail supplier of nozzles, pumps fitting etc.. So it doesn't matter whether you bought the parts from us or someone else. There is nothing fancy about our design at all. We make our money by buying in bulk from the manufacturer and retailing the parts.

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Cool I'll keep that in mind; thank you. My reasoning for separate chambers are the size of the trees I aim to grow. Its all theoretical and if someone could demonstrate how its unnecessary I'll move from there. In the intended system ONE plant is trained to be a 4x4 plant, emphasizing uniform lateral growth, symmetrical branch and subbranch formation (which ends up being 64 bud sites) and wide trees as opposed to tall ones. I am basing this off a new technique from Dru West in "secrets of the west coast masters". I am not affiliated or anything its just a solid guide and tek.

So I do not want to have multiple plants within a chamber so I can train each plant to cover the same area as a SOG set up. And have 12 sites, each theoretical pulling +/-1lb per plant. I can't do a large sea of green to get the yields I am looking for, I have to stick to the legal limit so that the man in black reading this conversation in some dark dusty NSA floor of the communication grid, won't find a reason to impose himself.

When it all comes down to it though, I could end up with a pile of rot but it's the ride. I'd like to conduct my relationship with each plan in an alchemical matter, and promote the upmost potential of it, which really just comes down to it that the experiences from the plant, be they psycho/spiritual/emotional/physical (all facets of the same prism) elevate our frequencies resonant to health and beyond. But uh ya, til then, gotta have an alembic before any transmutation. So I called a local plastic supplier and found 3/16 hdpe sheets 4X8, and asked for a quote. He said on paper as it is 60 a piece, but since its such a large volume he was going to get it adjusted.

It may be a sales pitch, but he said that the prices of plastic are about to make a leap. Again could be empty rhetoric for a quick sale, but food for thought. I dunno if 'make haste, slowly' is a relevant/relative term to this economy, so get while the getting's good.

I decided to make each chamber 4x4', for simplicity in cuts and waste. I won't be welding these, as I want to have access to any part, and the option to disassemble it quickly and conveniently for transport.

So they will be fastened between a rail-frame for support, and a seal for moisture/pressure loss. Note, I am not intending to pressurize the root chamber, just want to eliminate external variables on the spray pattern.
Following the advice of TB, one atomizer per chamber, with a central accumulator. I am leaning towards air-assisted atomization for a number of factors, i.e. efficiency (water doesn't compress much) and control. The rest comes down to the details. Which are not all worked out, never are, maybe not ever, maybe tomorrow, or shit wait I missed it.

I am trying to keep this below under 3000 doubloons but I dunno if my wax wings will flap that far. We'll see Monday when I hear back from the plastic guy, ya I got a plastic guy ha.

Still trying to find the most reliable atomizer, from zero experience, I have little to go off of other that y'alls shoulders. Then solenoids, pressure releases all that. My eyes are bigger than my budget right now, so I have to try to do this is timed phases to work with my broke ass.

I'll keep updating as it comes. May my failures be your successes!
 
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jamesvagabond

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Might I suggest hangin on til then with a little Alice Coltrane in the background...Isis and Osirus, my dna is a little different after that one.
 
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Found a really fancy looking atomizer sprayer company. They have sprayers with built in needles for cleaning clogs! wow, I bet they are expensive but I'd like to find specifications. Here is the catalog pdf... This catalog is really informative, a lot of it goes over my head but I bet some of you folks would find it useful. They even list siphon heights and pressure requirements. Pretty legit, but I bet its a pretty penny. I like to pony up for quality, but I am by NO means a wealthy man. Cheap lifestyle, until now.


http://www.spray.com/cat70/cat70pdf/ssco_cat70_f.pdf
 
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I emailed the company giving the dimensions of my chamber and asked for their technical expertise, and a quote. Will post the response shortly.
 
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jamesvagabond said:
So I called a local plastic supplier and found 3/16 hdpe sheets 4X8, and asked for a quote. He said on paper as it is 60 a piece, but since its such a large volume he was going to get it adjusted.

It may be a sales pitch, but he said that the prices of plastic are about to make a leap. Again could be empty rhetoric for a quick sale, but food for thought. I dunno if 'make haste, slowly' is a relevant/relative term to this economy, so get while the getting's good.

I decided to make each chamber 4x4', for simplicity in cuts and waste. I won't be welding these, as I want to have access to any part, and the option to disassemble it quickly and conveniently for transport.
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Got a quote back 1340 bucks for 30 sheets of 3/16" HDPE, 46.change a piece. Ouch But its the only option I see and builds 12 4x4 chambers. Hmm too bad venture capitalists don't grace these circles ha.
 
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jamesvagabond said:
Got a quote back 1340 bucks for 30 sheets of 3/16" HDPE, 46.change a piece. Ouch But its the only option I see and builds 12 4x4 chambers. Hmm too bad venture capitalists don't grace these circles ha.
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That number just won't sit right with me. I have to find another option. I am interested in doing a fiberglass chamber, using epoxy. I'd like to go as "eco-friendly" (why does that word make me cringe even though I pledge symbiosis?) as possible; possibly using bamboo or hemp fiber cloth and biologically based epoxy. However for 12 chambers, I need a 4x300 foot roll of fiberglass cloth. The best deal I could find was a basalt fiberglass roll for around 390. I always do this stuff on weekends and get mental constipation by monday and forget what the hell I meant to do in the first place. I am going to call a few places tomorrow to see what prices they have on fiberglass. The cloth is the cheap part, 12 gallons of resin/hardener, thats where it gets into the 500s.

A bit ironic how the millionaires who can afford anything still go with toxic products, and the broke kind aware folk scrap and save to do what they can. Uh-oh I am getting zealous, too much computer.

I greatly welcome any ideas for materials but I will not use anything that leaches gnarly chemicals into the air or water, so no petroleum products.

So many possibilities atomizing in my brain, the only time I get a clear answer or idea is when I am sleeping. I always dream about my waking time obsessions. I better roll a couple up, lay in bed and "research".

*HEAD SMASH AGAINST SCREEN!*
 
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Got a response about the sprayers. I gave him my specs:

..."Thank you for the information. My chambers are 64 cubic feet, with a maximum saturation of 14.2mL for 50-80 micron droplets per spray cycle. The desired flow rate is .5-1gph at >100psi assuming a solution temperature of 68 degrees Fahrenheit. From what I understand one nozzle is enough per 4x4x4ft chamber. One plant site will be centered in the lid in a 12 or 16 inch net basket. I am unable to give a coverage/distance away as I do not know how much of the chamber the roots will occupy. I am building 12 of these chambers and would need 12 sprayers. If you need more information I will do my best to provide it."

Where his response was:

..."[FONT=&quot]The least expensive and simplest would be to use a hydraulic atomizer. The only problem is you don’t get a range of flow you were looking for.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The flow is 0.95gph@100psi. The drop size is ~40-50microns VMD (volume mean diameter – 50% of the drops are smaller and 50% of the drops are larger).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1/4LNN-0.6 nozzle, brass, with a stainless steel orifice.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]$49.74ea[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You should also use a strainer in the main liquid line feeding the nozzles.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1/2TW-B200 Strainer, ½”, brass with a 200mesh stainless steel screen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]$120.93ea[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For a solution using air atomizing (liquid pressure and compressed air) the:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1/4J+SU11 nozzle with setup (fluid and air cap) in nickel plated brass.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]$54.15ea[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The liquid pressure will probably be ~20psi and the air pressure from ~20-30psi will give a range of ~0.45-1.1gph.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1/4JCO+SU11 same nozzle with manual clean-out needle.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]$116.32ea.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Included are catalog cut sheets showing the products and performance data."[/FONT]

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I really dig the idea of the manual clean-out needles. But if they are in fact manual, I don't see why I couldn't use a pin or something of the same diameter of the needle it comes with. That would shave my bill in half if I opted to go without the needles. After all, I have seen the needle and the damage done.

(BTW, keif in coffee=yahoo) My concern for you guru's out there, particularly Atomizer, Trichy, AeroWizard, TF, and all the forum greats ( I don't mean to leave anyone out, you are all blessings in flesh!) is: are the pressures posted above (20-30psi for liquid and air respectively) at the flow rate of [FONT=&amp]~0.45-1.1gph, [/FONT]adequate for the this? It seems like pretty low pressures, and I am just wondering if that is an issue. I know it really just breaks down to droplet size, so if it delivers the right size then all I have to do from there is figure out the cycle times for maximum saturation. I did the math that Atomizer posted in another thread, and found that I need 14.2mL of solution for maximum saturation per spray cycle. If it seems like a lot remember that my root chamber is 4x4x4 cube. These are my flowering chambers. My veg and clones will be in one unit for simplicity. Wow, the coffee is really doing its thing, my fingers are convulsing on this keyboard. Gotta say, adding my keif to my coffee grounds and putting it in a percolator gave my coffee an extra zing. Gotta love the balance in opposing energies, coffee+herb=working heads nectar.

It sure is getting lonely in this back-alley thread, I hope I am not stepping on toes or being a P.I.T.A. While it sounds like I know what I am talking about, the only thing I do know is that I don't. Any feedback is appreciated, I am doing more and more reading but I'd like to have a real solid grasp before I buy materials. Anyway, hoping for some words from you high-flying birds.
 
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jamesvagabond

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jamesvagabond said:
That number just won't sit right with me. I have to find another option. I am interested in doing a fiberglass chamber, using epoxy. I'd like to go as "eco-friendly" (why does that word make me cringe even though I pledge symbiosis?) as possible; possibly using bamboo or hemp fiber cloth and biologically based epoxy. However for 12 chambers, I need a 4x300 foot roll of fiberglass cloth. The best deal I could find was a basalt fiberglass roll for around 390. I always do this stuff on weekends and get mental constipation by monday and forget what the hell I meant to do in the first place. I am going to call a few places tomorrow to see what prices they have on fiberglass. The cloth is the cheap part, 12 gallons of resin/hardener, thats where it gets into the 500s.

A bit ironic how the millionaires who can afford anything still go with toxic products, and the broke kind aware folk scrap and save to do what they can. Uh-oh I am getting zealous, too much computer.

I greatly welcome any ideas for materials but I will not use anything that leaches gnarly chemicals into the air or water, so no petroleum products.

So many possibilities atomizing in my brain, the only time I get a clear answer or idea is when I am sleeping. I always dream about my waking time obsessions. I better roll a couple up, lay in bed and "research".

*HEAD SMASH AGAINST SCREEN!*
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That being said, I am looking into fiberglassing the chamber frame. This is nice because I can easily make the bottom conical and angled slightly for better drainage. However, I am bound by ethics and want to get either bamboo/hemp/basalt fiberglass cloth and bio-based resin, the glass is not SO much an issue however regular glass is VERY chemically intensive to produce. Basalt is the same process (heated to 2,000+ degrees) but it does not require added chemicals for structure/purification. I found a roll of 50"x300 ft for around 390, and resin will come to around 3-400 bucks. I am trying to find a resin:cloth ratio but different websites list different things, and they are typically regarding conventional glass and resin. I know the more fibrous material like bamboo or hemp soaks up quite a bit more resin, but this can be worked around by stretching the cloth more. Basalt seems really cool, but since it is a mineral compound, I am concerned with any potential ionic exchange. MSDS says it is inert though, and does not require special disposal, so maybe that is a green flag? AGAIN, FATMAN WHERE ARE YOU!?!?! Can I channel you? You may be banned (at great opposition to a large majority of this forum) but I am not, and I can evoke your wisdom if you allow me to, ha. Okay I am getting a little crazy, too much computer radiation.
 
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Got another response from the sales rep about whether the nickel/brass nozzles will react with the nutrient solution, and if whether the manual cleaning needles are necessary.

For those of you that know better, is the ~1+scfm per nozzle and 0.020" orifice a good fit for this system??

[FONT=&quot]Here is the reply:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Spraying water isn’t an issue. If the liquid reacts with brass or nickel you may need to go to Stainless steel material.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The liquid orifice is 0.020” so maybe use a strainer. The orifice is a round so it could be cleaned by other means.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Also notice that the compressed air consumption could be ~1+scfm per nozzle."[/FONT]
 
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Fiberglass as well is too expensive. I looked into hemp/bamboo/basalt fibers because regular glass is too chemical intensive to manufacturer. Tried doing the right thing and I am too broke. The bio-based resin alone would have been 800 dollars!

So I found a 6 mil fish safe plastic. A 5'x490' for 220 bucks. MUCH BETTER! It won't be the prettiest design but I can change my mind later down the road when I actually have money to my name. I am going to build a basic wooden frame similar to the 4x4 tables, and wrap it with bubble insulation and a thin plywood for the exterior. At each chamber with a surface area of 64sq ft, and twelve of those, that is a lot of wood. I am trying to find the cheapest option for this, but cheap and non-toxic are incompatible, hmm wonder why?
 
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Design update:

Materials:

6mil dura-skrim HDPE film
Bubble insulation
Wood for framing and solid walls

Configuration:

each chamber is changed to be 4.5'x3'x3'. I had to make them narrower and shorter to fit my space easier. I also changed the design so that it is one solid chamber, 8 plants in a 9'x12' box, 6 kw on light trackers. Less walls, less materials, more even spray distribution since they will all be positioned evenly to cover all sides. In another room will be a 9'x6' chamber with 4 plants in it, with 2kw on light rails.

I am still needing to buy 12 nozzles because I am afraid of only one side of the roots getting enough mist. 8 sprayers in the 9x12, 4 in the 9x6. I was also thinking making a reflective huge humidome over the whole unit and keep the net pots uncovered with vent holes on the lids so that excess atomized nutes can float up for a foliar feed. Does that sound like it would work or too far fetched? The benefit of the humidome is a smaller space to control the environment and minimize CO2 diffusion. I will be sourcing my co2 for mushroom bags I will be cultivating. They have a one way vent that will release over 1500 ppm of co2, inside the bag the ppm is 15,000! but it trickles out slower. I will have MANY of these as mushrooms are a staple of my diet, and consciousness! These are all edibles I am talking about.

This sounds better. Feels better at least, maybe I am just focusing on this right now to avoid the 1600 dollar nozzle bill. Not to mention compressor, pump, accumulator, valves, regulator, gauges.

I am looking at 3100 for lights and ballasts, 8 xxxl's with 1k quantum switchables. Then 220 for plastic, more for wood but I have a lot laying around, I have light rails and some good air pumps the milk jug sized silver one, 1600+ for nozzles, and prob another 1000 or 2 for the rest of the equipment. By summer I'll need a chiller.

I was thinking of using 3 fridge compressors in series, with an oil filter, to charge an accumulator tank. This will save money, but I wonder if it will perform up to par?

I need to find a good deal on check valves and an accumulator and a pump for the liquid. Then solenoids, check valves, regulators, etc. This is prob a silly question but I need a check valve per nozzle right? This prevents dripping after the cycle stops.

I am totally talking to myself here. Gettin cold over here!
 
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Does anyone think I could go with just six nozzles? 4 in the 9x12 chamber and 2 in the 9x6? That would save a whole lot of money...
 
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