Americans are more propagandised than Chinese people

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PopAndSonGrows

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Americans aren't "propagandised" so much as, we're just really fucking stupid. Some more than others, but as a whole country, we're a bunch of fat selfish hypocritical idiots.

Here's a reason why i say this: in America, people loooooove to talk shit on the Govt as a whole, yet go absolutely balls-to-chin on their favorite politician.
 

printer

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It sounds like you may have limited dealings with Chinese people with how your first sentence is worded?
I think most of us like to live in the country we are born in. Not always of cause but most of us do. That doesn't mean we cannot visit and enjoy other cultures and countries of cause.

The Chinese have been a part of Australia's history since the Gold rush.
I haven't been to China but from what I've experienced Chinese people are much like any other. Kind, generous with a love of good food, table tennis and gambling.
We see a real lot of Chinese students in Oz and they are very polite and well behaved compared to aussies. As a race they are starting to become well travelled which is awesome. Its also very fitting for a country with such a rich history. A well travelled and educated race means their country should be in good hands. Its absolutely wonderful how they have pulled so many millions of people out of poverty in such a short time. They are now helping other countries to do the same. Sure they have their own problems but Mass shootings are not one of them.
He was a good guy, told me about how the government was a millstone on the people's necks. That most people put their head down and carry on. I worked with a Chinese engineer at a previous job, another kind and generous person. The people in charge have brought a large segment of the population into the modern age, no denying that. Mind you, it was not by building up their country but importing companies to do it. In 1998 they bought the factory I worked at and cut it up, loaded it into containers and shipped the whole thing to China and reassembled it. By now they have the knowledge to build products themselves and we lost lot of the on the floor knowledge to build stuff ourselves.

But the level of control and oversight by big brother on people's lives is a concern. It is a totalitarian state. Either conform or get crushed. There is talk about setting up joint administration of Taiwan in the same as the Hong Kong agreement. Do you believe Taiwan should go this route, as "one country, two systems".
 

ttystikk

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Americans aren't "propagandised" so much as, we're just really fucking stupid. Some more than others, but as a whole country, we're a bunch of fat selfish hypocritical idiots.

Here's a reason why i say this: in America, people loooooove to talk shit on the Govt as a whole, yet go absolutely balls-to-chin on their favorite politician.
I am firmly of the educated opinion that such responses are in fact the result of a lifelong immersion in massive amounts of political propaganda surrounding most issues, but those of foreign policy and domestic policy perhaps most of all.

It's HARD to find the truth about such issues in America when everyone from NPR to CNN to Fox News is shoveling lies, distortions and misrepresentations as hard as they can. The truth is available but it's hard enough to track down that most Americans with jobs, families and lives just can't dig through the endless layers of shit far enough to find it, assuming they know they're being lied to in the first place.

We have the Telecommunications Act of 1996 to thank for removing FCC oversight from the truthful content of "news" and the results have been officially catastrophic.
 

Fogdog

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America is hands down, without a doubt, not even close THE most propagandised nation on Earth.
This propagandist speaks as if only they can tell us the truth. As in this passage extracted from that pile of dreck you linked to.

In truth the so-called “centrists” or “moderates” of our world are really violent extremists, because they support the most murderous and tyrannical power structure on our planet, and are only regarded as moderate because they sit in the mid-range of a completely artificially created spectrum. A perspective that is actually sane will be about as far away from their perspective as you can get.

As in, the US is a murderous tyrannical state and Russia or China are not. lol.

Acolytes of Noam Chomsky, as this one certainly is, see the world as if it's one of extremes and only they can tell us which extreme view is correct. To disagree is to "support the most murderous and tyrannical power structure on the planet". OMG, who wants to do that? Too funny that it is they who point at the west as the most propagandized when it is people who say shit like "only I tell you the truth, don't listen to anybody else" who are obfuscating for their own ends. Do you know who also says that? Trump.

The problem with that apologist Johnstone's world view is their monomaniacal willingness to kiss Putin's and other murderous dictator's feet and avert their eyes when their saints of freedom unleash sadistic police upon the population in order to flatten all dissent.

The obvious contradiction to Caitlin Johnstone's and this thread is, they are free to write or post their criticism. Don't try doing the same in Russia or China. As far as propaganda in the US is concerned, the largest amount of propaganda published here, by far, is from sources supporting those who want to take away our rights, freedoms and ability to vote. So, fuck that and all who publish dreck like this.
 

printer

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I am firmly of the educated opinion that such responses are in fact the result of a lifelong immersion in massive amounts of political propaganda surrounding most issues, but those of foreign policy and domestic policy perhaps most of all.

It's HARD to find the truth about such issues in America when everyone from NPR to CNN to Fox News is shoveling lies, distortions and misrepresentations as hard as they can. The truth is available but it's hard enough to track down that most Americans with jobs, families and lives just can't dig through the endless layers of shit far enough to find it, assuming they know they're being lied to in the first place.

We have the Telecommunications Act of 1996 to thank for removing FCC oversight from the truthful content of "news" and the results have been officially catastrophic.
The act aside, were you going to answer the seven wars the US has been in since 9/11?
 

printer

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This propagandist speaks as if only they can tell us the truth. As in this passage extracted from that pile of dreck you linked to.

In truth the so-called “centrists” or “moderates” of our world are really violent extremists, because they support the most murderous and tyrannical power structure on our planet, and are only regarded as moderate because they sit in the mid-range of a completely artificially created spectrum. A perspective that is actually sane will be about as far away from their perspective as you can get.

As in, the US is a murderous tyrannical state and Russia or China are not. lol.

Acolytes of Noam Chomsky, as this one certainly is, see the world as if it's one of extremes and only they can tell us which extreme view is correct. To disagree is to "support the most murderous and tyrannical power structure on the planet". OMG, who wants to do that? Too funny that it is they who point at the west as the most propagandized when it is people who say shit like "only I tell you the truth, don't listen to anybody else" who are obfuscating for their own ends. Do you know who also says that? Trump.

The problem with that apologist Johnstone's world view is their monomaniacal willingness to kiss Putin's and other murderous dictator's feet and avert their eyes when their saints of freedom unleash sadistic police upon the population in order to flatten all dissent.

The obvious contradiction to Caitlin Johnstone's and this thread is, they are free to write or post their criticism. Don't try doing the same in Russia or China. As far as propaganda in the US is concerned, the largest amount of propaganda published here, by far, is from sources supporting those who want to take away our rights, freedoms and ability to vote. So, fuck that and all who publish dreck like this.
Just do not hold up a blank sheet of paper.


 

Lucky Luke

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He was a good guy, told me about how the government was a millstone on the people's necks. That most people put their head down and carry on. I worked with a Chinese engineer at a previous job, another kind and generous person. The people in charge have brought a large segment of the population into the modern age, no denying that. Mind you, it was not by building up their country but importing companies to do it. In 1998 they bought the factory I worked at and cut it up, loaded it into containers and shipped the whole thing to China and reassembled it. By now they have the knowledge to build products themselves and we lost lot of the on the floor knowledge to build stuff ourselves.

But the level of control and oversight by big brother on people's lives is a concern. It is a totalitarian state. Either conform or get crushed. There is talk about setting up joint administration of Taiwan in the same as the Hong Kong agreement. Do you believe Taiwan should go this route, as "one country, two systems".
Gov everywhere are usually a millstone around peoples necks. Some governments even charge its citizens for water! Look at all the surveillance and tracking of the citizens in any western country. Cameras everywhere with facial recognition. Costs to use just about anything, as an eg i have 3 trailers, boat, a motorbike and two cars and i have to pay to register all of them even though i cannot use them all at once. One plate for the cars and bike and one for the trailer's would be much fairer but less money to extort from us citizens.

Chinas got a ways to go but they are getting there quickly. Great example for India and they will both pull each other along and with them they will help the 'stan' countries rise their standard of living.

In just two decades, China has become the world’s largest outbound travel market, with some 145 million Chinese travellers¹ visiting other countries in 2017, spending $265 billion. That’s 19% of all global travel spend. Compare that to the second largest outbound market, the USA. American travellers spend a mere $135 billion in comparison. It is clear how vastly important Chinese tourism is. The numbers are set to keep growing too, with estimates suggesting 400 million outbound trips by Chinese tourists in 2030.
-Mar 20, 2019

Ill support whatever Taiwan and China agree to do. We don't want the western world getting involved and creating a type of Korea. They both agree that there is only One China and that's a great start. There's talk of a Peace bridge. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/30/taiwan-kinmen-islands-plan-peace-bridge-china.
I think Britian giving Hong Kong back to China is a great example to America for Hawaii
 
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Mericat

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You sound needy.
I love em!

I used to drink at the American club in Syd for a little while. Dated a couple when i was younger and had work dealings with quite a lot. Travelled with quite a few. Great people and not like how the Nation of the US presents itself. Nearly every one is embarrassed by being American. Have you ever watched Graham Norton and his American guests often apologise for America? That's how i see Americans.
Same. All the Aussies I've met were cool people and fun to hang out with. Cooler than most Americans if I was to answer honestly. I might start identifying as an Aussie now that I'm thinking about it.
 

Lucky Luke

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Same. All the Aussies I've met were cool people and fun to hang out with. Cooler than most Americans if I was to answer honestly. I might start identifying as an Aussie now that I'm thinking about it.
My younger sister used to get dragged to the parties at the American embassy in Canberra as a young girl (and all the other countries embassy's). As a young lady and mother herself she knows lots of very influential people who still treat her like the young girl she was.
She also loves Americans but their politics infuriates her. Its like the country is run by people who do the opposite of what their citizens want.
 
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printer

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Gov everywhere are usually a millstone around peoples necks. Some governments even charge its citizens for water! Look at all the surveillance and tracking of the citizens in any western country. Cameras everywhere with facial recognition. Costs to use just about anything, as an eg i have 3 trailers, boat, a motorbike and two cars and i have to pay to register all of them even though i cannot use them all at once. One plate for the cars and bike and one for the trailer's would be much fairer but less money to extort from us citizens.

Chinas got a ways to go but they are getting there quickly. Great example for India and they will both pull each other along and with them they will help the 'stan' countries rise their standard of living.

In just two decades, China has become the world’s largest outbound travel market, with some 145 million Chinese travellers¹ visiting other countries in 2017, spending $265 billion. That’s 19% of all global travel spend. Compare that to the second largest outbound market, the USA. American travellers spend a mere $135 billion in comparison. It is clear how vastly important Chinese tourism is. The numbers are set to keep growing too, with estimates suggesting 400 million outbound trips by Chinese tourists in 2030.
-Mar 20, 2019

Ill support whatever Taiwan and China agree to do. We don't want the western world getting involved and creating a type of Korea. They both agree that there is only One China and that's a great start. There's talk of a Peace bridge. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/30/taiwan-kinmen-islands-plan-peace-bridge-china.
I think Britian giving Hong Kong back to China is a great example to America for Hawaii
Both sides agree that there is only one China? You fail to mention both sides say that they are the true rulers of China?

ANALYSIS/As presidential race kicks off, China policy takes center stage
As the KMT tries to draw attention to Lai's pro-independence past, Lai's camp has been pushing Hou to comment on the "1992 Consensus."
According to the KMT, the "1992 Consensus" refers to a tacit understanding that both sides of the Taiwan Strait recognize there is only "one China," with each having its own interpretation of what China means.
Beijing has never publicly recognized nor denied the second part of the KMT interpretation, but it has made acceptance of the "1992 Consensus" a prerequisite for dialogue across the Taiwan Strait.
The DPP rejects the "1992 Consensus," arguing that agreeing to it implies acceptance of China's claim over Taiwan, and it has also drawn a parallel between the "1992 Consensus" and Beijing's "one country, two systems" formula for Taiwan.

China renews threat, warns Taiwan independence will be ‘punished’
China’s Taiwan Affairs Office said anti-China elements in foreign countries were ‘playing with fire’ on the issue of Taiwan’s independence.
China has renewed its longstanding threat to attack Taiwan and warned that foreign politicians who interact with the self-governing island are “playing with fire”.

A spokesperson for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office said on Wednesday that Beijing was recommitted in the new year to “safeguarding sovereignty and territorial integrity” and “smashing plots for Taiwan independence”.

“The malicious support for Taiwan independence among anti-China elements in a few foreign countries are a deliberate provocation,” the spokesperson, Ma Xiaoguang, said at a biweekly news conference.

“We call on the relevant countries to … cease sending the wrong signals to Taiwan independence separatist forces and cease playing with fire on the question of Taiwan,” Ma said.

China views Taiwan – a self-governing democracy where the defeated nationalists set up their government after losing China’s civil war in 1949 – as Chinese territory that must be brought under Beijing’s control, and by force if necessary.

China’s state-run Global Times newspaper tweeted the Taiwan Affairs Office warning that Taiwan’s “‘secession’ is doomed to fail” and that Taiwan’s independence “is an act waiting to be punished”.

High-profile visits to Taiwan in recent months by foreign politicians, including then-US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and numerous politicians from the European Union, have angered Beijing and spurred huge military exercises around the Island by Chinese forces, which Taipei views as a rehearsal for invasion.


Taiwan's Desire for Unification With China Near Record Low as Tensions Rise
The Taiwan public's declining desire for political union with China fell further to a near-record low in the first half of 2022, the island's leading pollster said on Tuesday.

In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

A record 28.6 percent of those polled said they preferred to "maintain the status quo indefinitely," while 28.3 percent chose the status quo to "decide at a later date." Meanwhile, 25.2 percent of respondents opted for the status quo with a view to "move toward independence."



Relations between Taipei and Beijing have been fraught with tension for the better part of a decade, in part a reflection of the Taiwanese public's distrust of the Chinese government and its leaders, who have refused to rule out the use of military force against the island if it pursues de jure independence from the mainland.

Taiwan, whose president, Tsai Ing-wen, considers the island already a functionally independent country, says it has no plans to change the status quo.
On Tuesday, Taiwan's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Joanne Ou described as "absurd" a recent public address by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who warned of "dark clouds" and "ferocious storms across the Taiwan Strait" if the island were to formally separate from the mainland.
Ou said Beijing was spreading fictional claims to the island in a bid to "annex Taiwan and whitewash [its] provocative acts."

"The People's Republic of China has never ruled Taiwan and naturally has no right to represent the people of Taiwan in the international community," she said. "That neither side of the strait is subordinate to the other is a historical fact recognized by the international community. It is also the longstanding status quo across the Taiwan Strait."

In the 10 years since Xi took power in Beijing, his nationalistic rhetoric and assertive policies toward Taiwan have contributed to a spike in Taiwanese desire for self-determination, as well as less association with their neighbor across the strait, the survey suggests.
According to the ESC's latest identity polling—tracked since 1992—a record-low 2.4 percent of respondents identified as solely "Chinese," while 30.4 percent said they were "both Taiwanese and Chinese"—just 0.5 points above the all-time low. A near-record high 63.7 percent identified as only "Taiwanese."

You also avoided my question, "Do you believe Taiwan should go this route, as "one country, two systems".", doing a "Look over there." Not that I am surprised.

Since I am closing this page, might as well shine a Hong Kong light on it. Thought Hong Kong had another 50 years of not having a Chinese millstone around the peoples necks.

"one country, two systems"


On the bridge and people wanting to have the bridge built to the mainland, the island is ten times closer to the mainland that to Taiwan.
 
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ttystikk

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My younger sister used to get dragged to the parties at the American embassy in Canberra as a young girl (and all the other countries embassy's). As a young lady and mother herself she knows lots of very influential people who still treat her like the young girl she was.
She also loves Americans but their politics infuriates her. Its like the country is run but people who do the opposite of what their citizens want.
It's not "like" the country is run by people who do the opposite of what most citizens want; IT IS run by people who ignore the interests of the vast majority of American citizens. This is functional proof that America is NOT a democracy, no matter what the propaganda narrative so eagerly slurped up by so many people might think.
 

big bud man 413

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Americans aren't "propagandised" so much as, we're just really fucking stupid. Some more than others, but as a whole country, we're a bunch of fat selfish hypocritical idiots.

Here's a reason why i say this: in America, people loooooove to talk shit on the Govt as a whole, yet go absolutely balls-to-chin on their favorite politician.
We used to be smart but now we just believe whatever we hear on the news!
 
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