Another mass shooting.

too larry

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Not sure if it's a real thing, or just scare tactic, but I saw that the new AG had sent reminders to gun dealers in legal states that it was against the law to sell guns or ammo to pot users. Some said they were going to check medical users against background checks, but I think that was a scare tactic from our side.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Hey, remember that "bump stock ban" that had such promise after Vegas. The one that even the NRA was in favor of? Well, after the shooting died down the NRA reversed themselves and Congress is refusing to act. So it's bump stocks for everyone! It is what the founding fathers wanted.
 

Justin-case

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Not sure if it's a real thing, or just scare tactic, but I saw that the new AG had sent reminders to gun dealers in legal states that it was against the law to sell guns or ammo to pot users. Some said they were going to check medical users against background checks, but I think that was a scare tactic from our side.

I believe this is true, but was left to the seller's discretion.
 

too larry

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I never understood why the right to bear arms always means guns to the NRA guys. Tanks, planes, ships and the like are arms too.
 

whitebb2727

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Yes, I am being a smartass though I do not mean it as an insult to you. But this is a serious issue. Did the Vegas shooter break the law too?

And lest you think that I have no stake in this, I own a rifle of that caliber as well. The laws need to be changed and sales severely restricted.
I can agree the laws need to be changed. Some more restrictions. Something needs to be done about the fact this guy should have never been sold this gun.

There is something that doesn't add up to me in this argument. Texas refused his application for a concealed carry permit. They knew something was wrong, any idea what that was? Is the system such a low budget automat for gun sales that anybody can lie on a form and if the database isn't perfect, they get their gun? No database is perfect, as exemplified here. Something was known about the shooter that prevented him for getting a permit. Why wasn't his application flagged for a person to follow up?

I know, because Texas, NRA, Republican congress and gun lobby. I'm just saying that your argument doesn't ring completely true to me.
My argument is that there was a failure somewhere. Its saddens me that when a person that is a clear threat simply walks into a gun store and walks out with a gun.
 

whitebb2727

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This country has lost more civilians to guns in the last two-and-a-half years than we lost soldiers during the ENTIRE Vietnam war.

If you don't think we have a problem, then you are the problem.
Sure.

Why only care about guns though? Your statement can be applied to something as simple as cars and Tylenol.

This guy should have been turned down for the gun. Fix that problem.
 

whitebb2727

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I dont see a reason civilians especially in urban areas need assault rifles, do you?
No such thing as an assault rifles. Simply a hunting rifle with scary black stocks and larger magazine. The ar15 is one of the smallest rifle cartridges made.

If I were inclined I'm sure as much damage could be inflicted with hunting rifles and ten round mags.
 

Justin-case

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No such thing as an assault rifles. Simply a hunting rifle with scary black stocks and larger magazine. The ar15 is one of the smallest rifle cartridges made.

If I were inclined I'm sure as much damage could be inflicted with hunting rifles and ten round mags.

They are designed to do maximum damage to flesh, so they're not really a hunting rifle. And the fact that they have or except larger clips is a clear definition between the two weapons, don't play dumb.

Do you see any logical reason a civilian especially in an urban setting needs an assault weapon?
 

whitebb2727

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They are designed to do maximum damage to flesh, so they're not really a hunting rifle. And the fact that they have or except larger clips is a clear definition between the two weapons, don't play dumb.

Do you see any logical reason a civilian especially in an urban setting needs an assault weapon?
All guns assault.

The ar15 is a very small round. Most hunting rifles do way more damage.

I won't agree with an outright ban on "assault" rifles.
 

SneekyNinja

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They are designed to do maximum damage to flesh, so they're not really a hunting rifle. And the fact that they have or except larger clips is a clear definition between the two weapons, don't play dumb.

Do you see any logical reason a civilian especially in an urban setting needs an assault weapon?
It's not necessarily the guns, it's the open access to them that stupid/unstable people have.

We need to restrict how they're sold, not the gun itself imo.
 

Unclebaldrick

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All guns assault.

The ar15 is a very small round. Most hunting rifles do way more damage.

I won't agree with an outright ban on "assault" rifles.
It's a very small round delivered at very high velocity meaning it has greater kinetic energy than most larger rounds. The round is designed to cause "liquefaction" which creates a shock wave that pulverizes tissue. That's generally not the objective of a hunter. It is the objective of a killer.
 

too larry

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Military rounds are supposed to cause the least damage possible. That is what the full metal jacket is all about. To keep the soft metal from flattening out and ripping and tearing. But all countries just paint on the jacket these days.
 
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