Anyone else celebrating our small success? BAILOUT FAILS IN HOUSE.

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
Tell me about it Vi.. I hate the thought of what we're passing on to the next generation.. my 2yr old daughter and the little one in my womb both have over 30 grand in debt each (so far), and they can't even work yet..

It's funny though, my daughter only thinks coins are money- I've showed her and tried to teach her time and time again that dollar bills are money too, lol, to this day she only calls coins money- completely ignores the bills.. smart little girl. LOL..
 

UnderPhire

Well-Known Member
lol maybe we should all start bunkering down with tin foil hats, burning books for heat, and melting our coins.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
If we bail out Wall street they won't learn anything from their mistakes.

Maybe some of our jobs will come back considering that China is intent on poisoning everyone. Instead of giving 700 billion to Wall street let's take that same money and put it into bringing manufacturing back to the US. Now there is a worthwhile investment.

I think bartering is about to come back into style in a big way.


Never burn books. You burn one book and the powers that be will burn them all. Knowledge is power. Books are your friend.

lol maybe we should all start bunkering down with tin foil hats, burning books for heat, and melting our coins.
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
happy that it didn't pass... was interesting to watch wall st. freak out, dow jones eating sh*t... and i have a feeling that in another week or so this thing will pass in someway...

but it will not help, no...
this is gonna fuck us in the end... i see a big collapse happening....


... work on self-sufficiency...
start a garden (besides your mj trees)
learn to enjoy life without spending much money...

learn to not be "#1"

some major reform needs to happen...
always at times like these the way to get back on track is to focus on the "fundamentals".... get back to the constitution and follow it... stop all this bs that has created the beast the Federal US is....

i wish you all the best, keep your head through the shitstorm =]
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
happy that it didn't pass... was interesting to watch wall st. freak out, dow jones eating sh*t... and i have a feeling that in another week or so this thing will pass in someway...

but it will not help, no...
this is gonna fuck us in the end... i see a big collapse happening....


... work on self-sufficiency...
start a garden (besides your mj trees)
learn to enjoy life without spending much money...

learn to not be "#1"

some major reform needs to happen...
always at times like these the way to get back on track is to focus on the "fundamentals".... get back to the constitution and follow it... stop all this bs that has created the beast the Federal US is....

i wish you all the best, keep your head through the shitstorm =]
I really fail to see how thinking we are #1 got us into this mess.

Besides, I've been hunkering down for the last 18 months. Saving as much as I can afford outside my budget.

However, seeing as how I have an autoloan, and believe that honor and pride require me paying off that loan I am kind of forced by my desire to be able to hold my head up high to pay it off. So no voluntary surrender for me.

A man (or woman) can be judged by their actions.

Does that make people who agreed to the subprime mortgages, the politicians who forced the banks to issue them, and the banks that issued them all a bunch of idiots?
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
It was all about greed. It was all about "who can I take advantage of next" I know it, they know, you all know it.

I'm glad that greed came around and bit them in the ass, serves them right. I hope all those CEO's end up on SKid Row

Oh that's even a Skid Row song lyric "park avenue leads to Skid Row"
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
It was all about greed. It was all about "who can I take advantage of next" I know it, they know, you all know it.

I'm glad that greed came around and bit them in the ass, serves them right. I hope all those CEO's end up on SKid Row
Would you include the members of Congress that were complicit in this charade as well? They were the ones that enacted legislation that allowed this to happen.
 

ViRedd

New Member
I read Lumberjack's "#1" comment a little differently. Here's how I took it:

During great economic times, when the money is flowing, equities are rapidly inflating, and we have all the trappings that money can buy, like new cars, big homes and fine clothes, we have a tendency to wrap our egos up in our money making ability. What happens when that money making ability is cut short by illness or economic downturns? Well, if we have nothing to fall back on other than our inflated egos, emotional problems start ... sometimes VERY serious emotional problems like nervous breakdowns, and suicide. That's why its so important to have a more solid foundation other than making money. In tough times, its important to count one's true blessings like family, friends and the beauty of nature.

Be calm and just keep counting your blessings.

Just a thought ...

Vi
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
I really fail to see how thinking we are #1 got us into this mess.

Besides, I've been hunkering down for the last 18 months. Saving as much as I can afford outside my budget.

However, seeing as how I have an autoloan, and believe that honor and pride require me paying off that loan I am kind of forced by my desire to be able to hold my head up high to pay it off. So no voluntary surrender for me.

A man (or woman) can be judged by their actions.

Does that make people who agreed to the subprime mortgages, the politicians who forced the banks to issue them, and the banks that issued them all a bunch of idiots?
america thinking they're better than everyone else def. had a hand in this.

but me saying learn to not be #1 has nothing to do with that...:-P

learn to live life within your means... make the most of it of course, but people need to stop living lives they can't maintain(i mean, if you want to try, go ahead, just DON'T expect others to bail you out when you find out you aren't what you want to be)... and obviously not everyone can come in 1st...


and shit friend, i have my own debts as well... i'm still trying to recover from being a somewhat stupid kid, but the debts will be repaid... borrowing money is not evil, it just shouldn't be a way of life...
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
do you really NEED this? and why?











or will this work just as well?













you were so damn cool in that caddy. how you doin' now? lololololol

fools. :-P
 

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
happy that it didn't pass... was interesting to watch wall st. freak out, dow jones eating sh*t... and i have a feeling that in another week or so this thing will pass in someway...

but it will not help, no...
this is gonna fuck us in the end... i see a big collapse happening....


... work on self-sufficiency...
start a garden (besides your mj trees)
learn to enjoy life without spending much money...

learn to not be "#1"

some major reform needs to happen...
always at times like these the way to get back on track is to focus on the "fundamentals".... get back to the constitution and follow it... stop all this bs that has created the beast the Federal US is....

i wish you all the best, keep your head through the shitstorm =]
Everything you said man.. +1.

I see hard times ahead- god I hope everyone has heeded all the warnings and prepared..

Of course they're gonna try to ram through another bailout bill- god, even after the 630 billion the Fed just printed and handed out to foreign banks yesterday.. :shock: The President is everywhere this morning talking about how dire it is that we pass the bailout.. ugh.. yeah, sure, the same people who got us into this mess, the same people who said a month or two ago that the economy was fine- now they're scaring everyone to get bills through (a bill that gives them more dictatorial powers btw and IMMUNITY from being prosecuted for anything associated with the economy) This bailout seriously is an economic version of the Patriot Act, and again, they're using scare tactics to try and get it through..:spew:
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
..... what the FUCK happened to those stimulus checks that were to save us all???







maybe everyones like me, didn't pay their income tax (it's hard to when you claim exempt illegally, but dammit the money i earn is mine, tax other shit like sales) and therefore nobody else was able to "stimulate" the country with chinese moneY??/???


..... i need to smoke some more =]
 

Bongulator

Well-Known Member
Great move, rejecting that bill yesterday. Upcoming reirees paid for the inaction by losing more than a trillion in retirement savings. Net loss to the average joe for doing nothing -- around half a trillion now (after factoring in the $700b in 'savings'). It'll get waaaay worse too. The ultimate cost of doing nothing may be that 7 or 8 out of 10 upcoming retirees will just have to work another 10 or 20 years to catch up to what they're losing. Or they'll have to reduce their quality of life by cutting out some frills, like eating.

But wiping out people with retirement savings is only a small part of what is likely to happen without some cash-infusing bill. Probably at LEAST a million businesses will go out of business. 10 million people or more will be thrown out of jobs (and won't be able to find a new job), so we'll have to fork out hundreds of billions to keep those people alive and doing something constructive rather than resorting to thievery or worse.

The people thrown out of their jobs (and virtually no job will be safe) will obviously be unable to make THEIR mortgage payments, so they will default, dragging down everyone's home prices and causing another wave of foreclosures. It's a self-reinforcing cycle if we don't break it by filling the gap in the credit markets.

If you already own a home, but want to sell it, you won't be able to without credit availability, unless you find someone rich who can pay cash for it. If you want to BUY a house, you won't be able to, unless you have the cash. Same for cars, and student loans, and small business payroll, and home improvement loans, and so on. Forget all of that. If you rent, your rent prices will climb, because when people can't buy houses, they MUST rent (or live in a tent), which drives up rental demand/prices.

So, we the people saved $700 billion. And what will doing nothing cost the fat cats: they'll retire with fifty million in the bank or whatever. Their quality of life won't change a bit. But what will happen to the normal joes if we don't reignite the credit markets? Well, people with jobs are screwed, people with homes they want to sell are screwed, people who want to own a home are screwed, people who need a loan for college are screwed, people who had planned to retire anytime in the next 10 years are really screwed, small businesses are screwed, and so on. In effect, everyone is screwed.

I think the cash infusion would have worked, and we didn't have to waste trillions of dollars worth of normal joes' money to "get" the fat cats, who aren't going to be affected no matter what we do or don't do. The ones who REALLY pay by us not passing that bill (or one like it) are everyone who ISN'T rich. Rich people don't need credit, or jobs, or retirement accounts, or mortgages -- the very things we are destroying by trying to make them pay. It's like confronting a robber. You shoot yourself in the leg and then yell at the robber, "Hah! Got you, sucker!" Uhhh, okay, sure. But who's the one who walks away without a limp?
 

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
Please tell me again, how is making everyone's dollar worth less going to be any better? Great, like Germany, everyone keeps their amount of dollars but they aren't worth shit.. yes, much better plan.

Price fixing and meddling in the markets was one of the biggest problems of the Depression and made it even longer- why in the hell are we doing the same thing?

Why are we listening to the people who perpetrated the problem in the first place instead of listening to those that have warned us this would happen FOR YEARS.

I wish more people would read rather than listening to the damned tv..
The Rescue Package Will Delay Recovery - Frank Shostak - Mises Institute
The Great Bank Robbery of 2008 - Robert P. Murphy - Mises Institute
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Please tell me again, how is making everyone's dollar worth less going to be any better? Great, like Germany, everyone keeps their amount of dollars but they aren't worth shit.. yes, much better plan.

Price fixing and meddling in the markets was one of the biggest problems of the Depression and made it even longer- why in the hell are we doing the same thing?

Why are we listening to the people who perpetrated the problem in the first place instead of listening to those that have warned us this would happen FOR YEARS.

I wish more people would read rather than listening to the damned tv..
The Rescue Package Will Delay Recovery - Frank Shostak - Mises Institute
The Great Bank Robbery of 2008 - Robert P. Murphy - Mises Institute

if it's worth less you won't be so eager to toss it away at starbucks. maybe you'll put it into a savings account.
 

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
if it's worth less you won't be so eager to toss it away at starbucks. maybe you'll put it into a savings account.
LMFAO..oh you're evil. :fire: It's true the yuppies have no sense of the worth of a dollar..

God, I haven't been able to buy a cup of coffee in eons, lol.. let alone go out to eat.. :roll:
 
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