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Vato_504

Vato_504

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Junior mints
Designer og
Stink bomb
Pie face
The sweeties
Hazmat og
Casper og
Oregon lemons
Cluster bomb
Poochie love
Samoas


This my Archive collection. So price don't matter and I paid full price for all these not no discounted price. So when I spend money on a breeder like you that shit pains me to see you fussing on IG about dumb shit like who doing this and that. Fuck that do you and get that fire out to us that support you know matter what. I look at buying seeds as a investment in the long run becuase one plant of a fire pheno and boom I have all my money back and some. But all I wanted was some info on the new crosses. Long as you don't send shit to the greedy SOB greenline we good. Because all he gonna do is keep all the good packs for hisself to hunt through and don't sell shit to the people. Or these greedy ass auction sites like SHN.
 
Thefarmer12

Thefarmer12

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806KING said:
Exactly why subcool left !! Same BS
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Aside from a few comments I wouldn't say anyone's been out of line here. Or at least I wasn't...I am an archive fan as well.

Constructive criticism and responding to it is part of what makes a business thrive and we don't usually have an opportunity at a back and forth with the breeder like this so I think its a good thing whether he realizes it or not he at least has addressed some customer's concerns... I may not like the steep prices bit that doesn't mean I wont be growing archive anytime soon. I'm sure ill be giving them my money soon lol..

I understand covering overhead for any sized breeding op. In fact I just put myself into debt and moved my family to another state to start my seed business so I understand completely. I just think now more than ever greed has seeped its way into the cannabis community and it's us grower's job to try to keep these guys in check. People should be able to voice their concerns without being talked down to as well - I'm betting half the fire cuts they use originated from some "tent grower" :)
 
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ThaDocta1

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Thefarmer12 said:
Aside from a few comments I wouldn't say anyone's been out of line here. Or at least I wasn't...I am an archive fan as well.

Constructive criticism and responding to it is part of what makes a business thrive and we don't usually have an opportunity at a back and forth with the breeder like this so I think its a good thing whether he realizes it or not he at least has addressed some customer's concerns... I may not like the steep prices bit that doesn't mean I wont be growing archive anytime soon. I'm sure ill be giving them my money soon lol..

I understand covering overhead for any sized breeding op. In fact I just put myself into debt and moved my family to another state to start my seed business so I understand completely. I just think now more than ever greed has seeped its way into the cannabis community and it's us grower's job to try to keep these guys in check. People should be able to voice their concerns without being talked down to as well - I'm betting half the fire cuts they use originated from some "tent grower" :)
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I wouldn't consider making accusations based on "bro, you didn't post any pics on IG so I'm gonna make some assumptions because I don't like the price" as constructive criticism. And realistically, 90% or more of the cuts I use, were acquired and grown before "grow tents" were even manufactured and sold in hydroponics stores. Literally.
 
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ThaDocta1

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Vato_504 said:
Probably OES, Neptune, reliable that'll be the ones putting the people first. Shn will hold packs back for auctions, greedyline will hold packs back to breed with.
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Just stop with the assumptions, because you're extremely far off the mark. Like not even hitting the broad side of a barn.

SHN got just a few packs of dosiface as GIFTS from me, not wholesaled. They can do whatever the fuck they want with em. Burn em for all I care, but they don't have any obligation to sell em. And in that case, they were auctioned to help out @therealogkushstory family in Costa Rica. You know the guy that helped bring OG Kush to the world.
 
Vato_504

Vato_504

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ThaDocta1 said:
Just stop with the assumptions, because you're extremely far off the mark. Like not even hitting the broad side of a barn.

SHN got just a few packs of dosiface as GIFTS from me, not wholesaled. They can do whatever the fuck they want with em. Burn em for all I care, but they don't have any obligation to sell em. And in that case, they were auctioned to help out @therealogkushstory family in Costa Rica. You know the guy that helped bring OG Kush to the world.
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Man I know what I see on IG daily. I know I seen greenline hold back every pack of dosiface you sent him. I see shn running a auction for dosiface that running 2 weeks. These dudes been growing for 10-20 plus years and need help every week. Nah they trying to bleed us customers dry that's what it is. PURE GREED. If I was growing 20 plus years ain't no way I'm asking for handouts period. This auction shit is the panhandling. And if you're condoning it you're no better then them. I'm through with this wack ass shit.
 
Vato_504

Vato_504

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Observe & Report said:
What difference does it make if a seed is bred in a tent as opposed to a closet, or a room, or a greenhouse?
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Because dudes like him think he's better then everybody else. Because these same tent breeders putting out some of the best smoke possible. Don't matter if it's in a tent, shoebox, closet, etc if it's fire it's fucking fire. These old dudes is some bitter dudes for real. Have ways like a woman man.
 
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ThaDocta1

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And that's your problem. You're living in IG world instead of the REAL WORLD. One of those two things is full of falsities (IG if you can't figure it out), and one is based in reality. And no one can bleed you dry, when you're the one willingly giving them the pints of blood. Vote with your dollars, otherwise, your opinion is just someone crying about what they WANT, not NEED, and how you don't want to pay but are entitled to the seeds for what you deem fair. Do you stand outside of Gucci doing the same thing?

The problem with tent breeding isn't that you can't make good seeds in it. You can. It's that you can't do proper selections with such small numbers. It's a straight crap shoot.. It's that they didn't invest anything into SELECTION POOLS. You know, 200+ plant populations (which is still miniscule admittedly) to search for the winners and then work from there. Not just, let me pop 10 seeds and hybridize them in my 4x8 tent. One yields selection pools from which breeding can occur, the other is small pool selection where you're just working with whatever came up in your 32 square feet. One yields selections that are superior , so much to the point other companies start working and ripping off those lines instead of creating their own. If they had just did their own work and selection pools and got out of the fucking tent, they wouldn't need to use Dosidos, or stardawg, or whatever else... they'd have their OWN SHIT that is hyped, bred, and selected for dank BY THEM. And I would applaud it, and be stoked for them, and their hard work. But nah, they're allergic to hard work, putting in the time and money. Their motives are to just parasiten off of some one else selection pools and hard work and investment. It's sad people support that kind of fuckery. The only people that lose in that case is the customer and the gene pool in the long run.

This will be my last post here. RIP Cannabis forums, you used to be a place of vast knowledge and some truths, now it's just the polar opposite, opinions with no facts. Entitlement without hard work. "Knowledge" without experience. I know there's a few good peeps still on the forums, but I'm sure y'all feel the same way I do. Best of Luck RIU.
 
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Observe & Report

Observe & Report

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It's that they didn't invest anything into SELECTION POOLS. You know, 200+ plant populations (which is still miniscule admittedly) to search for the winners and then work from there. Not just, let me pop 10 seeds and hybridize them in my 4x8 tent. [ ... ] If they had just did their own work and selection pools and got out of the fucking tent, they wouldn't need to use Dosidos, or stardawg, or whatever else... they'd have their OWN SHIT that is hyped, bred, and selected for dank BY THEM. And I would applaud it, and be stoked for them, and their hard work. But nah, they're allergic to hard work, putting in the time and money. Their motives are to just parasiten off of some one else selection pools and hard work and investment. It's sad people support that kind of fuckery. The only people that lose in that case is the customer and the gene pool in the long run.
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Why don't you fill us in on the details of your selection process? Then you can take what you wrote and put on your site so other people can find it when they're making a purchasing decision. If you are putting in tons of work that others aren't then you should be proud and let everyone know how it distinguishes your crosses from others. That is the crux of the issue here, that people aren't recognizing the time, space, money, and work that you are putting in and sending their seed dollars to people who are just taking that work and making a quick buck off it. Maybe it's because they have no idea who is doing the work and who isn't.
 
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ThaDocta1

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You grow them out in large lots and you select for only the best. It's that fucking simple. It's not rocket science, and shouldn't need an explanation for those that are mentally proficient. It requires investment of time and money. that's it. There's no special process. Everyone has different methods, but large selection pools is the one criteria EVERYONE breeding should be taking into their equation. If you ain't doing that, you're just hacking shit together in a tent. Doesn't mean it won't be good, just mean you probably didn't do the work to find something GREAT, that even other breeders want to rip off. Peace out RIU.
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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ThaDocta1 said:
And that's your problem. You're living in IG world instead of the REAL WORLD. One of those two things is full of falsities (IG if you can't figure it out), and one is based in reality. And no one can bleed you dry, when you're the one willingly giving them the pints of blood. Vote with your dollars, otherwise, your opinion is just someone crying about what they WANT, not NEED, and how you don't want to pay but are entitled to the seeds for what you deem fair. Do you stand outside of Gucci doing the same thing?

The problem with tent breeding isn't that you can't make good seeds in it. You can. It's that you can't do proper selections with such small numbers. It's a straight crap shoot.. It's that they didn't invest anything into SELECTION POOLS. You know, 200+ plant populations (which is still miniscule admittedly) to search for the winners and then work from there. Not just, let me pop 10 seeds and hybridize them in my 4x8 tent. One yields selection pools from which breeding can occur, the other is small pool selection where you're just working with whatever came up in your 32 square feet. One yields selections that are superior , so much to the point other companies start working and ripping off those lines instead of creating their own. If they had just did their own work and selection pools and got out of the fucking tent, they wouldn't need to use Dosidos, or stardawg, or whatever else... they'd have their OWN SHIT that is hyped, bred, and selected for dank BY THEM. And I would applaud it, and be stoked for them, and their hard work. But nah, they're allergic to hard work, putting in the time and money. Their motives are to just parasiten off of some one else selection pools and hard work and investment. It's sad people support that kind of fuckery. The only people that lose in that case is the customer and the gene pool in the long run.

This will be my last post here. RIP Cannabis forums, you used to be a place of vast knowledge and some truths, now it's just the polar opposite, opinions with no facts. Entitlement without hard work. "Knowledge" without experience. I know there's a few good peeps still on the forums, but I'm sure y'all feel the same way I do. Best of Luck RIU.
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lets do a collab :bigjoint::leaf::peace:
 
Observe & Report

Observe & Report

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ThaDocta1 said:
You grow them out in large lots and you select for only the best. It's that fucking simple. It's not rocket science, and shouldn't need an explanation for those that are mentally proficient. It requires investment of time and money. that's it. There's no special process. Everyone has different methods, but large selection pools is the one criteria EVERYONE breeding should be taking into their equation. If you ain't doing that, you're just hacking shit together in a tent. Doesn't mean it won't be good, just mean you probably didn't do the work to make something GREAT, that even other breeders want to rip off. Peace out RIU.
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Approximately, how many males were in your selection pool for your Dosidos stud and what process did you use to determine one male was better than another?
 
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