arlen spector is my hero......
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tipsgnob
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I have looked out that window in the school book depository and what about that live oak tree...and the big road sign. and no matter what... your shooting the president of the US, I doubt if it is anything at all like shooting a dummy....
what about the dallas cop that went into the building within 90 seconds of the shots and he found L H Oswald on the first floor in the canteen drinking a coke...not out of breath from running down 6 flights of stairs...and..oh yeah, shooting the president.
jfgordon1
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how about how the secret service men stood down. one of the guys even throws his hands n the air , like "what the fuck". its his job to stay beside him and "protect" him.
doesn't make sense to me.
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President Kennedy, the Federal Reserve and Executive Order 11110
by Cedric X
“The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight.” — President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination!
From The Final Call, Vol15, No.6, on January 17, 1996 (USA)
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.
With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.
After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase America's debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, if so, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?
Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289
AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:
Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended-
By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):
(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption
(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption
and --
By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.
Sec. 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.
John F. Kennedy The White House, June 4, 1963.
Of course, the fact that both JFK and Lincoln met the the same end is a mere coincidence.
Abraham Lincoln's Monetary Policy, 1865 (Page 91 of Senate document 23.)
Money is the creature of law and the creation of the original issue of money should be maintained as the exclusive monopoly of national Government.
Money possesses no value to the State other than that given to it by circulation.
Capital has its proper place and is entitled to every protection. The wages of men should be recognised in the structure of and in the social order as more important than the wages of money.
No duty is more imperative for the Government than the duty it owes the People to furnish them with a sound and uniform currency, and of regulating the circulation of the medium of exchange so that labour will be protected from a vicious currency, and commerce will be facilitated by cheap and safe exchanges.
The available supply of Gold and Silver being wholly inadequate to permit the issuance of coins of intrinsic value or paper currency convertible into coin in the volume required to serve the needs of the People, some other basis for the issue of currency must be developed, and some means other than that of convertibility into coin must be developed to prevent undue fluctuation in the value of paper currency or any other substitute for money of intrinsic value that may come into use.
The monetary needs of increasing numbers of People advancing towards higher standards of living can and should be met by the Government. Such needs can be served by the issue of National Currency and Credit through the operation of a National Banking system .The circulation of a medium of exchange issued and backed by the Government can be properly regulated and redundancy of issue avoided by withdrawing from circulation such amounts as may be necessary by Taxation, Redeposit, and otherwise. Government has the power to regulate the currency and creditof the Nation.
Government should stand behind its currency and credit and the Bank deposits of the Nation. No individual should suffer a loss of money through depreciation or inflated currency or Bank bankruptcy.
Government possessing the power to create and issue currency and credits money and enjoying the right to withdraw both currency and credit from circulation by Taxation and otherwise need not and should not borrow capital at interest as a means of financing Governmental work and public enterprise. The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of the consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Governments greatest creative opportunity.
By the adoption of these principles the long felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts, and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprise, the maintenance of stable Government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own Government. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power.
Some information on the Federal Reserve The Federal Reserve, a Private Corporation One of the most common concerns among people who engage in any effort to reduce their taxes is, "Will keeping my money hurt the government's ability to pay it's bills?" As explained in the first article in this series, the modern withholding tax does not, and wasn't designed to, pay for government services. What it does do, is pay for the privately-owned Federal Reserve System.
Black's Law Dictionary defines the "Federal Reserve System" as, "Network of twelve central banks to which most national banks belong and to which state chartered banks may belong. Membership rules require investment of stock and minimum reserves."
Privately-owned banks own the stock of the Fed. This was explained in more detail in the case of Lewis v. United States, Federal Reporter, 2nd Series, Vol. 680, Pages 1239, 1241 (1982), where the court said:
Each Federal Reserve Bank is a separate corporation owned by commercial banks in its region. The stock-holding commercial banks elect two thirds of each Bank's nine member board of directors.
Similarly, the Federal Reserve Banks, though heavily regulated, are locally controlled by their member banks. Taking another look at Black's Law Dictionary, we find that these privately owned banks actually issue money:
Federal Reserve Act. Law which created Federal Reserve banks which act as agents in maintaining money reserves, issuing money in the form of bank notes, lending money to banks, and supervising banks. Administered by Federal Reserve Board (q.v.).
The FED banks, which are privately owned, actually issue, that is, create, the money we use. In 1964 the House Committee on Banking and Currency, Subcommittee on Domestic Finance, at the second session of the 88th Congress, put out a study entitled Money Facts which contains a good description of what the FED is:
The Federal Reserve is a total money-making machine. It can issue money or checks. And it never has a problem of making its checks good because it can obtain the $5 and $10 bills necessary to cover its check simply by asking the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving to print them.
As we all know, anyone who has a lot of money has a lot of power. Now imagine a group of people who have the power to create money. Imagine the power these people would have. This is what the Fed is.
No man did more to expose the power of the Fed than Louis T. McFadden, who was the Chairman of the House Banking Committee back in the 1930s. Constantly pointing out that monetary issues shouldn't be partisan, he criticized both the Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt administrations. In describing the Fed, he remarked in the Congressional Record, House pages 1295 and 1296 on June 10, 1932, that:
Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government Board, has cheated the Government of the United States and he people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks acting together have cost this country enough money to pay the national debt several times over. This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States; has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the maladministration of that law by which the Federal Reserve Board, and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.
Some people think the Federal reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and of wheedling us into the granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime. Those 12 private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this country by bankers who came here from Europe and who repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions.
The Fed basically works like this: The government granted its power to create money to the Fed banks. They create money, then loan it back to the government charging interest. The government levies income taxes to pay the interest on the debt. On this point, it's interesting to note that the Federal Reserve act and the sixteenth amendment, which gave congress the power to collect income taxes, were both passed in 1913. The incredible power of the Fed over the economy is universally admitted. Some people, especially in the banking and academic communities, even support it. On the other hand, there are those, both in the past and in the present, that speak out against it. One of these men was President John F. Kennedy. His efforts were detailed in Jim Marrs' 1990 book, Crossfire:
Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11,110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency.
Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks.
A number of "Kennedy bills" were indeed issued - the author has a five dollar bill in his possession with the heading "United States Note" - but were quickly withdrawn after Kennedy's death. According to information from the Library of the Comptroller of the Currency, Executive Order 11,110 remains in effect today, although successive administrations beginning with that of President Lyndon Johnson apparently have simply ignored it and instead returned to the practice of paying interest on Federal Reserve notes. Today we continue to use Federal Reserve Notes, and the deficit is at an all-time high.
The point being made is that the IRS taxes you pay aren't used for government services. It won't hurt you, or the nation, to legally reduce or eliminate your tax liability.
medicineman
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the republicans have stated that they are not going to fund any moderate candidates next election.
Well, that ought to about finish them off. The radical right is making some real bad decisions about now. By getting rid of the moderates, when it comes to the general, the people will vote hands down for the Democrat. Not all repukes are as crazy as you far righties are, thank god almighty. I can't even imagine what it would be like to live under far right rule. Would definently bring out the animal in me. Probably generate a kill on sight phenomenem.
Well, that ought to about finish them off. The radical right is making some real bad decisions about now. By getting rid of the moderates, when it comes to the general, the people will vote hands down for the Democrat. Not all repukes are as crazy as you far righties are, thank god almighty. I can't even imagine what it would be like to live under far right rule. Would definently bring out the animal in me. Probably generate a kill on sight phenomenem.
jfgordon1
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the government should be a lot smaller than what it is. imo. the more power you give the government.. the more likely they are to fuck you. powerful people want ... wait for it.. wait for it.... more power
. i understand the liberal side... but it just doesn't work because it gets too corrupt.states rights all the way.
medicineman
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Whaaaatttt, you think the states aren't corrupt? Our sitting governator was accused of attempted rape during the election and still got elected. He is that buffoon known as Jim Gibbons, a far right idiot if ever there were. He has proposed not accepting federal funds from the stimulous when the state is upside down by at least a billion bucks. Instead his ingenious plan is to cut teachers pay by 33%, double the tuition fees and cut many social programs from the budget. I notice he didn't volunteer to cut his pay, or the state legislatures pay. Typical right wing bullshit. cut those most susceptable to financial ruin while leaving the Casinos and the rich alone. The casinos only pay a paltry 3.5% on their profits, That's right, profits, while the rest of us pay 8% sales tax. The next move will likely be a state income tax, I know it is buzzing around in their heads.the government should be a lot smaller than what it is. imo. the more power you give the government.. the more likely they are to fuck you. powerful people want ... wait for it.. wait for it.... more power
states rights all the way.
tipsgnob
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the state of tennessee has more border states than any other state, we have 8 border states. back in the "good old days" tn allowed 14 year olds to marry, so kids came here from the border states to get married. they also were lax on illegal whiskey. there was a local sheriff whose brother would go to ky. and rob places and all he had to do was make it back across the tn/ky border and he was home free. that's why we need a federal government.the government should be a lot smaller than what it is. imo. the more power you give the government.. the more likely they are to fuck you. powerful people want ... wait for it.. wait for it.... more power
states rights all the way.
jfgordon1
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oh boy.. here we go lol... did i say states weren't corrupt ? i would rather have a state be corrupt over 30 million, rather fed being over 300 million. if you don't like the state you can move to a dif state and STILL be in the land of the free. ( i think it would be easier to turn around a corrupt state rather than a corrupt nation, don't you think so ? )
Are you trying to throw Arnold in my face cuz he's a "repuke". cuz im not a republican.. i don't want to classify myself with the dems or the reps. consider myself a Constitutionalist... one who believes in the constitution.
back to arnold.. screw him.. he's a no good son of a bitch just like the rest of'em. but don't say "typical right wing bull shit ".. you should say "typical government bullshit".
EDIT: i see where you got that idea... i worded my last post badly
natrone23
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What was was it? If California was country it would be like the 4th richest country. Doesn't sound to bad to meHey Med ...
If things get too tough for you in "Right Wing" Nevada, you can always cross the border into California and live a happy life in the communist nirvana that's been created here by the progressive democrats.
Vi
Vi you should move to somewhere like mobile, Alabama
ViRedd
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Nice try, Natrone.What was was it? If California was country it would be like the 4th richest country. Doesn't sound to bad to me
California was the seventh largest economy, but the Democrats have made it the highest taxed state in the Union with the lowest educational results. We are 45 BILLION upside down with our state budget. Some areas of Southern California, the San Fernando Valley for example, look like a third world country ... thanks to the progressive's non-intervention with illegal immigrants.
Your Alabama suggestion is valid, even though you probably were trying to be a smart-ass. The southern states are doing many things to attract businesses and jobs by lowering taxes and easing regulation in order to make their states more attractive to business.
Vi
jfgordon1
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Yeah, but you would have to deal that accent
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medicineman
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but don't say "typical right wing bull shit ".. you should say "typical government bullshit".
It is always the right's program to screw the poor and the working class while cutting slack for business and the rich, that's how they roll. At least the left tries to give something to the poor while screwing everybody more equally.
It is always the right's program to screw the poor and the working class while cutting slack for business and the rich, that's how they roll. At least the left tries to give something to the poor while screwing everybody more equally.
ViRedd
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Exactly right, Med ... and under the progressive's programs we all end up equally poor.
As far as conservatism is concerned, by lowering taxes jobs are created and that benefits the little guy. This has been proven time and time again.
Under Obama's hand, GM lays off 21,000 workers, the union bosses end up with 51% ownership of the company and Fiat moves in with their Tinker-Toy cars that no one wants to buy.
No thanks ... I'll take the tax breaks and job creation under a capitalistic system.
Vi