Bud Blood Experiences

eDude

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I can attest that bud blood or bud ignitor is overpriced and dont perform well like Dyna Gro.

You do know that those are additives.. and that means that you ADD them to your Dyna Gro so comparing the two doesn't really make sense. Unless you messed up and only gave them Bud Blood and didn't ADD it to your DG. Then yes, if you did that, you will have problems every time.

How much of the Bud Blood did you use per gallon?

DG was made for Orchids. The owner really into that and made his own food then started winning shows and selling the food. That's what I heard. They are in the Bay Area.
 

eDude

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Genetics... that 90% of everything.

The plant takes what it needs, our job is to make that available in abundance while avoiding toxicities. Not to mention pest and disease control. But, that's about it.

I have a strain called 'the white' and I didn't add anything, just supernatural. It's got my friend that tried AN all upset. It's not the nutes, it's the genetics.. Puts his blue dream to shame. :)

Let me add that it's also drying and curing...
 

Izoc666

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You do know that those are additives.. and that means that you ADD them to your Dyna Gro so comparing the two doesn't really make sense. Unless you messed up and only gave them Bud Blood and didn't ADD it to your DG. Then yes, if you did that, you will have problems every time.

How much of the Bud Blood did you use per gallon?

DG was made for Orchids. The owner really into that and made his own food then started winning shows and selling the food. That's what I heard. They are in the Bay Area.
Please educate yourself more in the nutrient section, you will know what we re talking about....and hearsay isnt count in my book. No disrespect intended, it sounds to me that you re fake grower or newbie grower either way.

happy gardening and peace
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Please educate yourself more in the nutrient section, you will know what we re talking about....and hearsay isnt count in my book. No disrespect intended, it sounds to me that you re fake grower or newbie grower either way.

happy gardening and peace
not sure why you think he is a newbie grower. what he said about bud blood and bud ignitor is true. you compared a base nute to 2 additives. not really sure why but they aren't the same thing. i thought it was a mistake but now i think it might not have been. you do know the difference between an additive and a base nute? he's also 100% correct about Dyna Grow being made for orchids. you can read about it on their website. sounds to me like you might be the newb here.
 

eDude

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I asked him about the mix and he's thrown up a red herring. What a strange little rant too.. lol hearsay? Who would be a 'fake grower' and why? I've never even heard of someone being called or accused of being a 'fake grower'. Trolling?
 

eDude

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not sure why you think he is a newbie grower. what he said about bud blood and bud ignitor is true. you compared a base nute to 2 additives. not really sure why but they aren't the same thing. i thought it was a mistake but now i think it might not have been. you do know the difference between an additive and a base nute? he's also 100% correct about Dyna Grow being made for orchids. you can read about it on their website. sounds to me like you might be the newb here.
You can bet that he did mess up. IF you've ever used bud blood CORRECTLY you know exactly how much you mixed. Why? Cause to figure out how much to mix is a pain in the ass..
 

eDude

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I have a bud ignitor and bud blood, they re sample. thats bizzare LOL
I have to point out that AN has never made or given out samples. If someone gave you full bottles then that's that but they don't have 'marked' samples. That's AN's thing and it's been like that for years. Even back when Gotta Grow distributed them in the US.

I've seen little 500ml bottles that are given away but again for some reason AN will not refer to them as samples. Never seen a sample of Bud Blood though.
 

homebrewer

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AN makes watered down noobie-juice. I wont address this troll directly but there was a comment made about the concentration levels of AN's base nutes versus DynaGro's. Sensi is not all that pricey but it's pretty watered down. Connoisseur's concentration level isn't bad but neither are even close to being as potent as DG. For starters, you need both parts of AN's base where as DG is a complete 1 part. If you walked out of the grow store with 2 gallons of DG vs 2 gallons of AN, those DG bottles would last me slightly over 11 flowering cycles whereas Connoisseur would only last just over 6 (sensi is around 5 cycles). Each flowering cycle is cheaper with DG and you don't need snake oil products or calmag to get it to 'work' either.

I personally don't care what plant food people use but I do get a good laugh watching noobs fumble through their grows with over-priced mineral salts. That shiz is more entertaining than TV.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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AN makes watered down noobie-juice. I wont address this troll directly but there was a comment made about the concentration levels of AN's base nutes versus DynaGro's. Sensi is not all that pricey but it's pretty watered down. Connoisseur's concentration level isn't bad but neither are even close to being as potent as DG. For starters, you need both parts of AN's base where as DG is a complete 1 part. If you walked out of the grow store with 2 gallons of DG vs 2 gallons of AN, those DG bottles would last me slightly over 11 flowering cycles whereas Connoisseur would only last just over 6 (sensi is around 5 cycles). Each flowering cycle is cheaper with DG and you don't need snake oil products or calmag to get it to 'work' either.

I personally don't care what plant food people use but I do get a good laugh watching noobs fumble through their grows with over-priced mineral salts. That shiz is more entertaining than TV.
it's funny how you say you are ignoring my posts but you always seem to respond to them. i still don't understand what you don't get. you keep stating the same lies and keep getting called out on them. you don't even know what you are talking about. we already ran the tests and you just decide to ignore them from 2 separate people. Conni is only slightly more concentrated than Sensi. both are 15-20% more concentrated than Dyna. yes; you only have to get 1 bottle of Dyna so i guess you will save a little time and energy when mixing nutes. you just don't seem to understand that for $50 you are getting a gallon of Dyna. for $65 you are getting 2 gallons of Sensi and for $105 you are getting 2 gallons of Conni. you have to use equal parts of parts A & B with AN but you are still using the same amount out of each bottle of AN as you are out of the bottle of Dyna. So, if they were equally concentrated then we would run out of nutes at the same time. and you would have done it for cheaper than me. but since AN is more concentrated you will run out of orchid food faster than i will run out of part A or B.

good luck peddling that stuff.
 

patlpp

New Member
Funny argument. Why would one expect ml to ml that AN Conn would equal dyna-gro? @homebrewer your big mistake in your head to head test was you set your standard that so much ml/gal nutrient should equal so much PPM. In doing so, you severey depleted the Conn plants.
I run my AK47 at 800-850 ppm or about 1.2 EC. That’s what they liked with DynaGro so that’s how much Connoisseur they’re getting.
800 ppm in a moderate feed program is pitifully weak for conn. The fact is there is more in the conn than pure N-P-K-CA-Mg salts. There are fulvics and humics and Amino's and other shit that registers on the ppm meter (hint:Acids). Any electrolyte will do this. Clearex for instance has a ec of .1 with 5ml added to a gallon of water and it's just sugar!! So why would you expect the PPM's to match with Connie?

When you compare concentration levels between nutrients, it's on the bottle: N-P-K. This number represents BY VOLUME the concentration level, period. PPM is irrelevant.
Connie, A&B combined is 5-4-10-2.9-.7, Dyna Bloom is 3-12-6-2-.5. Connie is slightly more concentrated, except for P (when A & B are used together of course) But this is with 2 parts for Connie to 1 part for Dyna-gro so it comes down to cost, how much is the combined A&B Connie cost (2 gallons) compared to 1 gallon of Dyna.

NEHydro.com quotes: 1 Gallon Dyna-gro Bloom : $48, 4l connie x 2 = $138 . $88 dollar difference. Hardly equal. So Connie must either provide 1/4 ounce higher yields in a gallons worth of grow or taste better to be worth that much more. See how trivial this whole argument is ? 1/4 oz in say 7 homebrew grows? @Sccoby : Where do you get Connie for $105 ?

IMO Connie is way overpriced. A better comparison would be with Sensi A&B. 72$ for the pair. You got to keep in mind though that Sensi too has more than pure chemicals in it.

@homebrewer your statement that Advanced is for noobies: Absolutely, and dumb ones (or ones that just want a feed and go) . I exemplified that in my journal by slamming my plants in coco with 16ml/gal twice a day at 2.7EC !! Idiot proof!!
Some people don't want to learn about hydro and such, they just want something to get through with no problems and that is what AN provides. You will pay for it, just like any other product that provides this level of convenience. I get pissed at them because as quoted in my grow journal :

AN in my opinion takes advantage of the uninformed by pushing these bundles. The base is a fine product but because of all the marketing to buy these bundles, some of which are a waste depending on your type of grow, I feel they do not have compassion for the little guy just trying to get medicated. Additionally, I have to date 3 bottles of nutrients that precipitated into some solid salts or whatever, tells me quality control and consistency is an issue. Most of their products now call for 2ml/l , purely so you will waste nutrients. For those reasons, I am contemplating discontinuing this product and submitting for a full refund. It's the principle of the thing. They should at least provide realistic feed schedules for the type of medium you use.

Other then that, why is everyone so Butt hurt with AN ? :-o Bottom line there is a place for Dyna and a place for AN.
 

homebrewer

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800 ppm in a moderate feed program is pitifully weak for conn. The fact is there is more in the conn than pure N-P-K-CA-Mg salts. There are fulvics and humics and Amino's and other shit that registers on the ppm meter (hint:Acids). Any electrolyte will do this. Clearex for instance has a ec of .1 with 5ml added to a gallon of water and it's just sugar!! So why would you expect the PPM's to match with Connie?
The issue wasn't with my feeding levels as those are proven with 3 other nutrient lines. The issue was with Connoisseur's nitrogen composition. They used some of the cheapest sources of N (urea and other water soluble nitrogen) which are not suited for hydro use. If you think my test was flawed, please start up a hydroponic grow journal using Connoisseur. I'd love to follow along and I'll even send you about a 16 ounces of Conni for free that i'll never use again.

When you compare concentration levels between nutrients, it's on the bottle: N-P-K. This number represents BY VOLUME the concentration level, period. PPM is irrelevant.
Connie, A&B combined is 5-4-10-2.9-.7, Dyna Bloom is 3-12-6-2-.5. Connie is slightly more concentrated, except for P (when A & B are used together of course) But this is with 2 parts for Connie to 1 part for Dyna-gro so it comes down to cost, how much is the combined A&B Connie cost (2 gallons) compared to 1 gallon of Dyna.
Correct, you're comparing 2 parts conni to one part DG and even then, two gallons of Conni lasts maybe a half grow longer than 1 gallon of DG. Factor in price, trips to the grow store, the constant pH'ing, and a plethora of additives that seem to be required for AN's bases to 'work' and now you're starting to see why experienced growers don't use AN.

Other then that, why is everyone so Butt hurt with AN ? :-o Bottom line there is a place for Dyna and a place for AN.
AN uses smoke and mirrors to sell pipe dreams to noobie growers while ripping them off in the process. This isn't about taking sides or playing for a certain team, this is consumers warning other consumers of sh*tty, unneeded products. If you and I were on an automotive forum and you were praising 93 octane and the 'performance' that it gives your naturally-aspirated, stock honda civic, I'd once again tell you that you're wasting money. Throw in a little stoner paranoia and ignorance and I bet you'd be accusing me of hating Japan and working for the folks who invented 87 octane :lol:.
 

tree king

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exactly scooby homebrewer keeps flat out lying to people and making shit up. me and a couple people ran some tests and we found out the sensi is like 10% more expensive to run than dyna big fucking deal. by the way homebrewer talks about it you would swear its 50% more expensive. i would pay an extra 10% for better nutes all day long. homebrewer was on another forum the other day making up some other shit also this is a direct quote from him

"AN's 'pH perfect' line isn't necessarily pH-stable, it's just that they've chelated all the elements to be available at a wider pH range. So in theory if your pH is 5.5 or close to 7, the elements should still be available to your plants. So what if your pH is at 6.5 in hydro and you're using one of their boosters which isn't chelated like their pH-perfect bases are? I'm pretty sure that booster is now useless."

he's trying to tell people ph perfect doesnt change the ph and keep it stable. of course i just started using the ph perfect the other day and it keeps the correct ph for you at all times with there technology. he's a straight up liar trying to misinform people so they dont use AN
 

george xxx

Active Member
Many times people associated with an industry have a bias, I came from a small uranium town, most were all for it, we did have leukemia clusters, not everyone was effected, but our house was bought by the mine when we moved and destroyed, apparently high radiation levels in the basement where my room was as a kid. So far so good but I wonder some times.
not everyone was effected
I was once part of the not everyone was effected group. Cancer is never a nice thing. Those who don't have it always say "Not me" I'm not going to get it. If you watch a family member die from cancer and then you later contract the same exact form of cancer will you still say Not me :?: I get to gasp for air through a hole in my neck and only wish I could say Not Me. I am fairly sure mine is from breathing fumes from heavy metals that burnt my throat. When people ask if cigarette smoke bothers me I can still reply Not me.
You think testing hazzardous chemicals on your weed is a good idea :?: Not me :weed:
Do you actually believe chemicals grown into the cellular structure of a plant can be removed by flushing :?: Not me Do you think the added cost is worth 2 cents worth of chemical improvement :?: Not me

Since you
wonder some times
about the place you once lived perhaps you should wonder more about the weed you smoke :o Of course you can always believe this is just a pathetic rant and say Not me :spew:
 

eDude

Well-Known Member
Some terms have gotten mixed up.

Conni has amino chelating. That's the difference. Also, for DG to be in one bottle they need to make it like an acid so that everything stays liquid in the bottle. You'll notice your pH drop when using DG.

Abd, I have to point out that there isn't a base nutrient in the world that has to have all it's additives to 'work' like homebrew tries to say. That's just not true at all. That's the whole point of a base nutrient.


pH, there are buffers and there are chelates. Buffers change your pH and chelates allow things to work when the pH is off. I think perfect has gone the buffer way and connie is chelated.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
exactly scooby homebrewer keeps flat out lying to people and making shit up. me and a couple people ran some tests and we found out the sensi is like 10% more expensive to run than dyna big fucking deal. by the way homebrewer talks about it you would swear its 50% more expensive. i would pay an extra 10% for better nutes all day long. homebrewer was on another forum the other day making up some other shit also this is a direct quote from him

"AN's 'pH perfect' line isn't necessarily pH-stable, it's just that they've chelated all the elements to be available at a wider pH range. So in theory if your pH is 5.5 or close to 7, the elements should still be available to your plants. So what if your pH is at 6.5 in hydro and you're using one of their boosters which isn't chelated like their pH-perfect bases are? I'm pretty sure that booster is now useless."

he's trying to tell people ph perfect doesnt change the ph and keep it stable. of course i just started using the ph perfect the other day and it keeps the correct ph for you at all times with there technology. he's a straight up liar trying to misinform people so they dont use AN
Tree, I don't expect you to wrap your head around what I posted as you seem to have a hard time comprehending simple concepts. You claimed at the other site that your pH moves from 5.8 to 6.3 with your 'pH perfect' formula. Newflash noob, that's not 'pH perfect'. Movement from 5.8-6.3 is what H&G, GH and Connoisseur already do with RO water which is why you need to pH them back below 6 several times per week. DG uses buffers to resist pH movement which is why I rarely need to ever look at pH.

The point I was making above is that when your pH is continuously creeping into the mid-to-low 6's, your beloved PK boosters are become less and less available to your plants (unless they're chelated which you don't seem to understand).

Tree, in all honesty though, I find your questions and issues highly entertaining and I love watching you fumble through your grows. You are AN's target consumer.



 

tree king

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Tree, I don't expect you to wrap your head around what I posted as you seem to have a hard time comprehending simple concepts. You claimed at the other site that your pH moves from 5.8 to 6.3 with your 'pH perfect' formula. Newflash noob, that's not 'pH perfect'. Movement from 5.8-6.3 is what H&G, GH and Connoisseur already do with RO water which is why you need to pH them back below 6 several times per week. DG uses buffers to resist pH movement which is why I rarely need to ever look at pH.

The point I was making above is that when your pH is continuously creeping into the mid-to-low 6's, your beloved PK boosters are become less and less available to your plants (unless they're chelated which you don't seem to understand).

Tree, in all honesty though, I find your questions and issues highly entertaining and I love watching you fumble through your grows. You are AN's target consumer.



your either playing dumb or know nothing about the ph perfect technology. not everyone in the world uses ro water i use tap which is in the high 7's and when i use dyna or any other nutrients i still have to use ph down. with ph perfect i never have to. with dyna if i top off my res and dilute the water the ph goes up but with ph perfect it stays the same now do you understand? lol who knows you probably already knew that. the only thing dyna does is bring down the ph, the more you pour in the lower the ph goes. as i already said ph perfect works different, whatever your ph is 4.5 to 8.5 it automatically brings it to where you need it and keeps it there
 

homebrewer

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nice i didnt even realize that lol. tell you the truth i have been ignoring him but its hard to stay quiet when he's just blatantly lying to people. dudes got nothin to do lol
Your info is coming from a hydro store guy, mine came from the back of the bottles that you're using that you apparently never bothered to read and I spoke with AN's customer service (who are about as knowledgeable as you are about plant nutrition :lol:).

I'd post a link for you showing the chelated elements in the Guaranteed Analysis again but it would probably take you a week to find it like it did here in this 2 page thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=242960

Yikes, tree. Even the AN drones think you're dense.

Um, Tree King, Homebrewer did post that Advanced Nutrients link. Let's not argue about something that's really inconsequential...LOL

The information is out there! LOL Twice!
You can lead a horse to water.....
 
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