Busted on my B day

BackDoorMan

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not trying to be a dick, but had you not started in on the "well there's no signs here so how were we to know" you probably woulda sat there, talke dto him, heard alecture, and then drove off with your boys and your weed... acting like you know it all always forces the cop to recah in his bag of tricks.. try being friendly and listening and not being a smartass next time.. sucks you got oppped, but there were several things you coulda done to avoid it..
 

BackDoorMan

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well we now know that they had no right to search the car (being as the owner of the car my freinds mom did not concent)so this will all be thrown out cept the trespassing charges.
oh and matthew smoking at home wasnt an option being as we all still live with our parents and they dont approve.

actually, you're wrong.. the driver of the car said "I can open teh trunk and let you look in there and see there's no scrap metal" and once he pulled you out of teh car and called for back up he had probable cause.. it doesnt matter who the owner of the vehicle is, what matters is the operator of the vehicle, and once he volunteered to let the cop search the trunk he gave him his permission.. better luck next time
 

BackDoorMan

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This is a text book example of what not to do.

Never let the police search your car. Always say "I do not consent to any searches" Keep saying it...

You should of rolled up your windows and locked your car when you got out.

Don't say anything!!!! You have a right to remain silent. Use it for gods sake.

Everytime the cop asks you something ask him if he is retaining you for anything and can you please go now. Keep saying it.

Don't talk, STFU. Anything you say will be used against you in a court of law!

doing all of that is only going to cause him to get a K-9 unit out and as soon as the dog scratchs his ass, they'll bust your windows and open teh doors and go to town

Even if they don't, your behavior is gonna make them wonder what you're hiding and they'll start fucking with you harder and in your personal life.. just be kind courtious and respectful... answer the questions with as much truth without giving yourself away.. and for gods sake dont say shit like "are you retaining me or can i go" is only going to cause him to be more suspicious and pissed off..

he has the right to hold you for 24 hours before ever charging you with a crime, so if nothing else he can take you down to county for suspicion of operating a vehicle while intoxicated or any number of things.. and if they want, they can hold you, strip your car down and then release you and a pile of scrap.. so be a smartass if you want, in the end the cop's always win...
 

gangjababy

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actually, you're wrong.. the driver of the car said "I can open teh trunk and let you look in there and see there's no scrap metal" and once he pulled you out of teh car and called for back up he had probable cause.. it doesnt matter who the owner of the vehicle is, what matters is the operator of the vehicle, and once he volunteered to let the cop search the trunk he gave him his permission.. better luck next time
Exactly backdoorman!
 

Stoney McFried

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That's too bad.I wouldn't have offered to show them anything though.I'd have made them get a warrant.
Well here goes my story for the ages...
Me and 2 of my friends lets call them Fred and Pedro for the fucksake of it.
We went and picked up our dealer cause he needed a ride home from where he was at him and his best freind get in the car and we take them down to his house, I buy a quarter they get out we leave. We drive around for a little bit before parking behind an old "abandoned" warehouse. We sit there and smoke our bleezy about 3/4 of the way down we roll down the windows (too much smoke in the car according to Fred) and almost like 2 mins after we do this I see a cop walking up on our car. Im like "what the fuck cops go", Fred freezes and then goes to turn his car on the cop says "Please turn the car off for me." Fred obeys and we sit there the cop comes up to us and asks us why we are out here and we said "just chillin not wantin to waste gas." The cop said "You were just chillin huh?" and we all replied "Yeah." He then asked for all our Id's which we all promptly gave him, he then said again " So you guys were down here just chillin eh?" Once again we all replied "Yeah." he then reads all our drivers license numbers off through his little radio and they all come back with an "okay." He then said "So yall werent out here stealin scrap metal were ya?" We were like " WHAT man fuck no we werent stealing any scrap metal." He then proceeds with telling us that we are all on private property and that we were trespassing. So we told him that there were no signs posted saying this was private property and there was nothing up blocking off the entrance to where we were sitting so how were we to know that this was private property, he then replied "Well someone owns this property someone has to own it right?" We all said "yeah but there was nothing posted anywhere..." he then got real dicky and started yelling "someone OWNS THIS PROPERTY YOUR ALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!!" We were like "okay but still there is nothing posted anywhere." Hes says "that doesnt matter someone still owns it." And our driver said, "okay but you can clearly see there is no scrap metal in this car, if you would like I will open my trunk so you can see there is none in there." The cop then called for backup and asked us all to step out of the car. His two buddys arrive as soon as we are outta the car, the first cop (luteinient the one weve been talking too the whole time) looks in the back seat and swipes up an 18 gram bag that one of the dealers dropped and we had no clue was in the car...then goes under my seat and grabs my quarter and says "ya yall wasnt down here smokin dope or nothing." He then searches the rest of the car and says hes giving us all minor misdomeanor pocession charges I said "hold on why are we all getting them," he said "your bag under your seat his bag by his leg and your freinds pill bottle." We all started yelling and arguing saying the weed wasnt ours driver didnt know whos it was I said its not mine, and our buddy in the back said it wasnt his either, "that it musta been dropped." The cop then yells "THIS IS YOUR WEED WE KNOW IT IS YOURS YOU ARE NOT GETTING OUT OF THESE CHARGES!!!!!!!" and we argued for a little longer and then the other cops start cracking jokes like this shit is funny they think the fact that they are completly fucking our lives up is funny. We just all shut up and said "What ever Ill just fight it." and then the cop goes "Oh okay smart asses, I was gonna be nice and just give u all pocessions and not give u trespassing but now you get both. Gotta make sure something sticks. hahahahahaha."

So basically that is my story, Im getting a lawyer hes supposed to be real good too, but do you think I will get outta this mind you this took place on my 20th birthday.
 

drobro23

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actually, you're wrong.. the driver of the car said "I can open teh trunk and let you look in there and see there's no scrap metal" and once he pulled you out of teh car and called for back up he had probable cause.. it doesnt matter who the owner of the vehicle is, what matters is the operator of the vehicle, and once he volunteered to let the cop search the trunk he gave him his permission.. better luck next time
in the state of ohio the owner of the vehicle has to consent to the search....
 

KingJMS

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That's a bad analogy, for someone who only misspelled one word.
I wouldn't of said anything if his thread was easy to read, It wasn't.....
I had to use my finger to follow along on my screen so I wouldn't skip a line.
I didn't mention all the misspelled words and lack of punctuation.

I can handle a misspelled word or two and even some bad punctuation. But when have to sit up close to my screen and follow along with my finger so I don't skip a line, that's pretty damn bad.
I hear what you're saying...my mom made me look it up every time I wanted to know how to spell a word, or its definition...so yeah, I think grammar and spelling are important because, all other things being equal, your writing is maybe one of the clearest pictures into who you are and how your mind works.

If I went around trying to correct people's mistakes, misunderstandings, or understanding of how to communcate EFFECTIVELY, I'd never get shit done. Especially in this day when the kids learn to txt before they talk... but if they CAN communicate, and they're doing what they can, in the way they can, then it is my responsibility to attempt to hear the message, and not get hung up on the vehicle, y'dig?

If I use a big word and you don't understand it, it's my fault for using a term that is not easily understood...it needs to be looked up before we go on or I'm doing a disservice to the person I'm communicating with. If I can't convey my point, despite my education and ability to compose a complex sentence - then I am not a very effective communicator.

My analogy was hyperbolic (not really) to illustrate the point...remove the plank from your eye before removing the speck from mine...or his. Or whatever.

If you don't like how the cat writes, put his book down.

I mentor 'at-risk' youth, and trust, I'm always telling them about how they present themselves, and their demeanor.

For example, I know a kid who's a third generation blood. The real deal...not a kid who liked red shoelaces and found a guy with a blood tattoo to beat him up and call him mixed. His grandma moved from LA with the gang homie who killed his grandfather in the early 80's...they continued to bang.

The parents are bangers. Mom is out after doing most of her boy's life in prison...for crimes around the gang. His father will never see the light of day and is lucky (depending on how you look at it) to not have gotten the death sentence for the sheer number of people he's killed.

The boy is hard to talk to... gangsta thru and thru. He's never known anything else...he is as fanatical as some programmed religious zealots I know...and way more dangerous, even at 14.

I guess what I'm getting at is: you don't know what makes people who and what they are... think about how hard it is to change your OWN behavior - now go ahead and try to change someone else's.

That's all I got, holmes. Peace.
 

drobro23

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so i called the best lawyer in town this morning and they said he would call me back but i said i have to work at 5 so it has to be before that
he hasnt called yet
i dont think he is going too
what you all think
mind you i live in a small town in ohio the best lawyer in town isnt that busy
 

KingJMS

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so i called the best lawyer in town this morning and they said he would call me back but i said i have to work at 5 so it has to be before that
he hasnt called yet
i dont think he is going too
what you all think
mind you i live in a small town in ohio the best lawyer in town isnt that busy
He may or he may not...but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I sat in county for 6 mos once, fighting some bullshit. I had a pretender, another cat had paid his lawyer over 20k...

My lawyer came to see me twice before I went to court. Know how many times his lawyer came?

Thrice.

20k bought him an extra visit in county...he went upstream just the same.

Considering how I fared in court, it's one of the few times I was glad my family never had much money.

Part of their job is to make it seem like they're doing something that you can't...like it's a big mystery...it's not.

It's the law and it's pretty fukkin ridiculous at times. It is not swift, it is not sure, and it is not a good deterrent to crime...but it surrounds you and what you do - each interaction you have with this society - and most people cannot be bothered to vote for ANYTHING, much less read a voter information packet, much less really research the laws before the politician says 'oh, this will be good because ...' and people just believe his ass... he's a politician, not a priest. He's telling folks what's good for him and his, while telling folks what their little sheep brain needs to make an 'informed' choice.

You want to be a real criminal? Go be a lawyer.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not hating on lawyers...I'm saying: they got all the game regarding what you can and cannot do - they know where they can get away with shit because no legal precident exists (ever hear of the bush administration?)...and you have to pay them to file your paperwork.

If you knew the papers to file, I think you could probably save a few bux...
 

0849

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damn man this sucks ass.. ive eaten a quad and a half a tin of altoids to avoid charges before, damn man so shitty.
 

BongJuice

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He may or he may not...but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I sat in county for 6 mos once, fighting some bullshit. I had a pretender, another cat had paid his lawyer over 20k...

My lawyer came to see me twice before I went to court. Know how many times his lawyer came?

Thrice.

20k bought him an extra visit in county...he went upstream just the same.

Considering how I fared in court, it's one of the few times I was glad my family never had much money.

Part of their job is to make it seem like they're doing something that you can't...like it's a big mystery...it's not.

It's the law and it's pretty fukkin ridiculous at times. It is not swift, it is not sure, and it is not a good deterrent to crime...but it surrounds you and what you do - each interaction you have with this society - and most people cannot be bothered to vote for ANYTHING, much less read a voter information packet, much less really research the laws before the politician says 'oh, this will be good because ...' and people just believe his ass... he's a politician, not a priest. He's telling folks what's good for him and his, while telling folks what their little sheep brain needs to make an 'informed' choice.

You want to be a real criminal? Go be a lawyer.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not hating on lawyers...I'm saying: they got all the game regarding what you can and cannot do - they know where they can get away with shit because no legal precident exists (ever hear of the bush administration?)...and you have to pay them to file your paperwork.

If you knew the papers to file, I think you could probably save a few bux...

WTF.....are you talking about.
 

KingJMS

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WTF.....are you talking about.
Pay attention now...

Dro was talking about his lawyer calling. I said (summarized) that lawyers aren't usually the most communicative people, especially when you need them and not the other way around. (If you get cancer from a cell phone, and have proof, you will be quite popular with the lawyers)

I then went on to an anecdote about my own experience with some lawyers.

I made mention of the law and how many are ignorant of it, even tho they are directly impacted by it.

I finished by saying that the lawyers are the one's who can manipulate the rules, because they're the only ones who even know the rules!

To lawyer: "you can't change the rules!"
Lawyer: "yes I can. see?" tapping a bookshelf packed with dusty caselaw. "it says so right here in the rules. have you read them?"
To lawyer: "Uh, no."
Lawyer: "the rules also say I MAY ask if you prefer grease for what comes next. The use of the word MAY indicates that I'm not COMPELLED to do so...but I'm a nice lawyer!"

I don't want to get into politics cause it's a zero-sum game...but that's part of what the current admin has been doing in the oval office: looking for places that no legal precedent exists so that they can set it where they want.

Basically, they do what they will on the advice of a team of legal scholars. People stand up and say, "hey, you can fuckin do that!"
and they say, well, actually we have legal professionals that say we can according to this recent interpretation of the word 'is'. (clinton, anyone?)

So they do what they want and there's no recourse in realtime because the courts move slowly when it's convenient. By the time the supreme court comes back and says that bush CAN'T go to war, JENNA will be in the fucking white house.

Did you catch alla that? I left some punctuation and grammatical errors in there too, just in case.

:-P
 

StinkBud

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doing all of that is only going to cause him to get a K-9 unit out and as soon as the dog scratchs his ass, they'll bust your windows and open teh doors and go to town

Even if they don't, your behavior is gonna make them wonder what you're hiding and they'll start fucking with you harder and in your personal life.. just be kind courtious and respectful... answer the questions with as much truth without giving yourself away.. and for gods sake dont say shit like "are you retaining me or can i go" is only going to cause him to be more suspicious and pissed off..

he has the right to hold you for 24 hours before ever charging you with a crime, so if nothing else he can take you down to county for suspicion of operating a vehicle while intoxicated or any number of things.. and if they want, they can hold you, strip your car down and then release you and a pile of scrap.. so be a smartass if you want, in the end the cop's always win...
Watch this video: "Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

And this: YouTube - Consent = Search

Of course I'm talking out my ass because I have a Medical Marijuana Card (and I'm a provider for several patients also):weed: I can have POUNDs of bud on me and just laugh in the cops face.

I love Oregon! It's nice to be able to help cancer patients and not worry about stupid shit like a police bust (for pot of all things).

It's all about getting out there and voting.
 

mahlye

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yeah I read the first page and people already mentioned it; always, ALWAYS be polite to police and even try not to use words like 'chillin' arguing with police never turns out right...just make's matters worse. I would have told the cop I lost my ID not too long ago and was sorry, but if it was that important to him, I'd bring by another form of identification to his station later in the day because you 24 hours to provide ID. then if thing's still escalated to what they did...I would have either done something with the weed like eat it or even put it in my pocket or ran out of the car.

I don't think the lawyer can have the charged dropped because it was your bud and no one else that was with you will say it's theirs. he can have the charges lessened most likely. cops man...I've met cool cops but more then often I'll have an encounter with a HUGE dick head cop.
 

mahlye

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He may or he may not...but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I sat in county for 6 mos once, fighting some bullshit. I had a pretender, another cat had paid his lawyer over 20k...

My lawyer came to see me twice before I went to court. Know how many times his lawyer came?

Thrice.

20k bought him an extra visit in county...he went upstream just the same.

Considering how I fared in court, it's one of the few times I was glad my family never had much money.

Part of their job is to make it seem like they're doing something that you can't...like it's a big mystery...it's not.

It's the law and it's pretty fukkin ridiculous at times. It is not swift, it is not sure, and it is not a good deterrent to crime...but it surrounds you and what you do - each interaction you have with this society - and most people cannot be bothered to vote for ANYTHING, much less read a voter information packet, much less really research the laws before the politician says 'oh, this will be good because ...' and people just believe his ass... he's a politician, not a priest. He's telling folks what's good for him and his, while telling folks what their little sheep brain needs to make an 'informed' choice.

You want to be a real criminal? Go be a lawyer.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not hating on lawyers...I'm saying: they got all the game regarding what you can and cannot do - they know where they can get away with shit because no legal precident exists (ever hear of the bush administration?)...and you have to pay them to file your paperwork.

If you knew the papers to file, I think you could probably save a few bux...
I'm doing a semester of law studies at school because it fits in with my business minor. after reading over the curriculum, it was evident to me that I would learn a lot and be able to be in control of most cases I will probably be in during my life. maybe I'll be a prosecutor and go as easy as I can with dumb charges and throw the book at rapists and murderers. this semester is scholarship money so it's not like I'm wasting any cash, just trying it out.
 

Big P

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definatly seems like you guys were trying to show out in front of the cop,


cops dont give a shit about weed, but be damn sure they will never let you chump them out. every smart ass thing you said got you what you got.



ive gotten out of 3 DUI's and 3 possesion charges just with simple charm respect and apology, never spent a day in jail in my life


you would be surprised, cops are hyper sensitive to any smart ass remark or if they think you are lieing to them. Dont forget everyday they deal with people like that.

so when you do the exact opposite of all these other fuckers it takes them off gaurd and they are like "finally this guy is not a dick" so they will cut you some slack and you know why they will?

because they want to encourage that kind of behavier because they are so tired of the assholes


all you had to say was no sir we were just sitting here hanging out sorry we did not realize we were tresspassing I guess we should have known better

bam, thats it end of story

i mean how can you chump out sombody that has power to do whatever they want to you?

one time i got pulled over drunk on new years eve i was 22 and had a 17 year old chick in the car with me at 4 am

told the cop I had been drinking a like atleast 8 beers. so this nigga looked at me with surprise like I actually admitted it,

then i tell him that after drinkin all that after midnight and ringing in the new year i fell asleep, then i told him my 17 year old babe called and woke me up at 3am so I come pick her up.

the cool fool made be blow in the breathalizer, I blew over the limit ofcoarse

so you know what this fuckin cop did?

he was like well you did blow of the limit sir so i cant let you drive.

im sorry im going to have to impound you car until morning because you are too drunk to drive.

he said I can drive you to wafflehouse were you can call somone to get a ride home.

I was like thank you very much sir I really appriciate it

and then bam!!! this nigga drove me to fuckin wafflehouse lol

then my dumb ass gurl lied to him and said she was 18 instead of 17 i was like doh!!!

so he got pissed, he let me outa the car at waffle house and told me he might take my cobative gf to jail for lieing about her age because she kept denying it and being a bitch. I was just like yes sir do what you gotta do:weed:

finally he let the crazy bitch go with me into the waffle house



:weed: so there you are my friend, its true you get more flies with honey than viniger



i got plenty more like that, like when I got the cop who was transporting me to jail to take me home instead of arresting me of possesion of a quarter bag:weed:
 

mahlye

Well-Known Member
Watch this video: "Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

And this: YouTube - Consent = Search

Of course I'm talking out my ass because I have a Medical Marijuana Card (and I'm a provider for several patients also):weed: I can have POUNDs of bud on me and just laugh in the cops face.

I love Oregon! It's nice to be able to help cancer patients and not worry about stupid shit like a police bust (for pot of all things).

It's all about getting out there and voting.

wow nice videos, thanks
 

mahlye

Well-Known Member
i got plenty more like that, like when I got the cop who was transporting me to jail to take me home instead of arresting me of possesion of a quarter bag:weed:[/quote]

let's hear that story
 

BongJuice

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he said I can drive you to wafflehouse were you can call somone to get a ride home.

I was like thank you very much sir I really appriciate it

and then bam!!! this nigga drove me to fuckin wafflehouse lol

Are you just bullshitting us that your from the Netherlands?
Because the Wafflehouse is a U.S. Chain only. :-P
 

drobro23

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update lawyer called wants 750 cash upfront
FUCK MAN i cant afford that
i was hoping not to have to bring my parents into this
but i think im going to have too
 
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