Can I improve my clu048-1212 build with single color diodes?

Hello, I grow in a 2x2 tent with 4xClu048-1212c4-353m2k1 @1050mA. I am thinking of adding some red and blue diodes to improve the final result I can harvest.
What should I add? I want to try some 730nm as stated in the far red thread. Is 10% of my total wattage enough?
Should I go for 620-630nm or 660nm? or both? how much?
And what about the Royal Blue? I red someone (u/vegaswinner) keep royal blue always on during veg.
What light schedule should I use?
Thx for your time guys

What do you think of these Cree?
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-3V-6V-12V-LG3535-4Chips-4-18W-High-Power-Plant-Grow-LED-Emitter-Royal-Blue/806045_32683967364.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.b11GvD
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/10pcs-3W-3535-EPILEDs-Infrared-IR-850NM-730NM-940NM-High-Power-LED-Emitter-with-8mm-12mm/806045_32676874413.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.KdQGNb

Nutria said:

What do you think of these Cree?
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5x-3V-6V-12V-LG3535-4Chips-4-18W-High-Power-Plant-Grow-LED-Emitter-Royal-Blue/806045_32683967364.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.b11GvD
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/10pcs-3W-3535-EPILEDs-Infrared-IR-850NM-730NM-940NM-High-Power-LED-Emitter-with-8mm-12mm/806045_32676874413.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.KdQGNb

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Hi there @Nutria , just to let you know, if you scroll down in those 2 links it says they are Epileds.......?
@VegasWinner will know for sure
I stuck a P150 of the crappystar leds in between my cobs on my last run to see what it would do. I can't say it made a difference lol
This run I'm gonna use just the bloom switch on it.
Everyone is experimenting.... lol

I am using this for my Deep Red now. i was using cree but these are more powerful http://www.ebay.com/itm/261407359610?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Far Red - http://www.ebay.com/itm/381732558246?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=650782495379&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I would add one or two of these for every 5sf too http://www.ebay.com/itm/122046189206?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=421067408580&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

if you want single diodes stay with stars from a reputable vendor like cutter, steves, rapid, etc.

CobKits said:

if you want single diodes stay with stars from a reputable vendor like cutter, steves, rapid, etc.

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Problems Is always the same, shipping price. Buying from China I don't have è to pay for it, I will just wait 1-2months. I tried with cutter but got something like 40usd shipping.

VegasWinner said:

I am using this for my Deep Red now. i was using cree but these are more powerful http://www.ebay.com/itm/261407359610?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Far Red - http://www.ebay.com/itm/381732558246?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=650782495379&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I would add one or two of these for every 5sf too http://www.ebay.com/itm/122046189206?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=421067408580&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

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How much watts of each color should I aim for?
Why do you add that full spectrum cob every 5sqft?

Nutria said:

Problems Is always the same, shipping price. Buying from China I don't have è to pay for it, I will just wait 1-2months. I tried with cutter but got something like 40usd shipping.


How much watts of each color should I aim for?
Why do you add that full spectrum cob every 5sqft?

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In a 2x2 I would go with 20w for each. I was using various 3w cree colors and decided to try the cheap full spectrum cob 50w and my tent exploded with easily 30 to 25% bigger growth same clones same food so now I added a 30w full spectrum in veg and better healthier growth with 100w of cree cob s there too

Nutria said:

Problems Is always the same, shipping price. Buying from China I don't have è to pay for it, I will just wait 1-2months. I tried with cutter but got something like 40usd shipping.

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i have some cree strips i never put up on the site that i got from cutter. ive already absorbed shipping as part of a larger order, ill try to figure out what i have and get it up there

VegasWinner said:

In a 2x2 I would go with 20w for each. I was using various 3w cree colors and decided to try the cheap full spectrum cob 50w and my tent exploded with easily 30 to 25% bigger growth same clones same food so now I added a 30w full spectrum in veg and better healthier growth with 100w of cree cob s there too

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What do you think this increase is due to?
Did you substitute all 3w with that single 50w? Or are you using both?

with those citis I would add osram/cree 660nm if you really want to mess with monos(10% is a good starting point).......plenty of 620-630nm already in your spd, enough blue for flowering cannabis too imo(veg only, clones, mother, is another matter)

730nm, use 13/11 generally

good luck

I agree, dont add blue. Use 90cri cobs if you can find them and toss in some 660s if you really feel the need. 2700k 90cri has decent far red boost also I think...

leaves seem larger and broader under 90cri, maybe its just me. the targeted red/blue spectrums seem to promote smaller leaf size, possibly too much blue inhibiting growth

Nutria said:

What do you think this increase is due to?
Did you substitute all 3w with that single 50w? Or are you using both?

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I have found that the RB DR and FR work, but in a full spectrum cob you get all three at once. I use the FR and DR for sleep and wake up. The full spectrum go along with the 3590's 3500k. I have found healthier growth with the inclusion of full spectrum in all areas of veg bloom and cloning.

My setup is already at work, I got 5th gen 1212 80cri. I will not change them for a while

VegasWinner said:

I have found that the RB DR and FR work, but in a full spectrum cob you get all three at once. I use the FR and DR for sleep and wake up. The full spectrum go along with the 3590's 3500k. I have found healthier growth with the inclusion of full spectrum in all areas of veg bloom and cloning.

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I am interested in the sleep and wake up routine, providing FR after light off, I have to use single diodes this way. I tought 10% tot wattage is enough for this purpose but if you say I need more watts I will. I red I need DR too, same wattage and same timing?

for far red sleep effect you dont need much, like 1W/SF

Nutria said:

Problems Is always the same, shipping price. Buying from China I don't have è to pay for it, I will just wait 1-2months. I tried with cutter but got something like 40usd shipping.


How much watts of each color should I aim for?
Why do you add that full spectrum cob every 5sqft?

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what country are you in? I can send snail mail if you happy to wait
Cheers
Mark