Cutting fan leaves
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DaveCoulier
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If I had known the video was you in it, I would have been more kind, but I still disagree with many of the things in your video.
If you ever do a detailed side by side comparison that accounts for all variables, Ill be interested in the results. Until then, I still stand by that removing fan leaves doesn't increase bud growth. Fan leaves drive food production for the plant, so I see no way removing said food factories can increase bud growth. Its just counter-intuitive.
Unfortunately, I dont know any place that actually offers such a Doctorate, but I have done plenty of research both here, and outside of marijuana forums. You know the real world where people dont have these myths and fairy tales about their plants that they have to believe are true. Theres also this thing called common sense, which I believe alot of people that grow MJ are seriously lacking in.
Thank you Homebrewer for backing me up. I appreciate it, but Im sure someone will come along and just say Jorge is wrong, and that you are wrong for believing the truth. I mean it is alot easier for a person to just blindly stick to their beliefs than *gasp* actually change them!
Cali chronic
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i GOT TO ABOUT PAGE FOUR of this post and thought to write---if you do trim leaves know this" most plants have fungus on or around them. If you cut a plant like a fan leaf or pluck the fan leave from the bud site even if it is spent the area or spot it was snatched or cut from now stands a chance for infection usually bud mold or the likes of---usually waits till about 2 weeks before harvest when the conditions are right and the anticipation is there for harvest and in as little as 5 days will wipe out the entire crop and contaminate a room. It will wait for low Calcium in the soil or something. Like cancer we all have it some of us incubate it better then others So as you hack and trim do it like a DR with clean tools and hope that you do not leave an open wound near a spore you cannot see. Grow on try it you'll see
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
I remember a decade ago when I was a new grower and looking for secret tricks to increase yield and quality.
People will learn eventually, but they seem to need to do it on their own.
mygirls
Medical Marijuana (MOD)
how did you know that.george, maybe he is and maybe he is not. but for a fact they willput ,more weight on.. you will see
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
I've argued for a decade about this. Not one person has ever come up with a reasonable explanation or demonstration showing that removing sun leaves is beneficial in any way.
But feel free to injure your plants any way you want to.
I hear tell if you plant them upside down at the first quarter of the Moon, the THC content will be 110%!
Don't believe anything you hear without doing a comparison test.
You might consider the fact that those arguing against this practice are those with the longest practical experience.
And not one person has shown that it doesn't.
As it is often said in these threads, Mother nature put those fan leaves there for a reason!
Yes, just like she gave men nipples and cows domesticated themselves along side of dogs.
Anyhow, here is a link to a rose magazine wherein they lay out how to properly prune and why doing so increases plant yield. I know, an actual source from people with actual knowledge. The sky is falling down!
http://www.rosebudmag.com/gardening/pruning-hydroponics-plants
Those with the longest experience are arguing against this eh? Seriously, get over yourself. By the way, pruning and training to increase yield from fruit trees has been used for fucking THOUSANDS of years. Keep your head in the sand all you want but stop spreading misinformation simply because you refuse to educate yourself.
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
A quote from your article:
On the other hand, improper pruning techniques damage your hydroponics plants and decrease your growth and yield. In some cases, improper pruning techniques can kill your hydroponic plants.
This is the quote most applicable to this thread
stowandgrow
Active Member
"Unfortunately, I dont know any place that actually offers such a Doctorate, but I have done plenty of research both here, and outside of marijuana forums. You know the real world where people dont have these myths and fairy tales about their plants that they have to believe are true. Theres also this thing called common sense, which I believe alot of people that grow MJ are seriously lacking in."
That's fine Dave. We're all adults here. The very fact that people have differing theories, opinions, and techniques is what makes this forum so interesting. We can agree to disagree on any marijuana related topic, but when you start trotting out such nonsense as "this persons RIU account should be deleted" simply because you don't agree with him, well, you're acting awfully childish, and arrogant imo.
That's fine Dave. We're all adults here. The very fact that people have differing theories, opinions, and techniques is what makes this forum so interesting. We can agree to disagree on any marijuana related topic, but when you start trotting out such nonsense as "this persons RIU account should be deleted" simply because you don't agree with him, well, you're acting awfully childish, and arrogant imo.
veggiegardener
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Even though I call myself "veggiegardener", I also have a dozen or so Rose bushes that I prune several times a year.
You are attempting to compare apples and rutabagas.
Cannabis is an annual. Roses are perennials.
You remove spent branches from a Rose bush.
You want to remove LEAVES from a pot plant.
This applies even more to fruit trees, of which I have several.
Oh! I prune my grape vines, too!
All PERENNIALS!
I only mention my experience to convey the fact that I've made about every mistake I could.
The difference is that I learn from them.
Dis me if you want, but if you ask, I'll explain why pruning Cannabis is certain situations can be beneficial.
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
A quote from your article:
On the other hand, improper pruning techniques damage your hydroponics plants and decrease your growth and yield. In some cases, improper pruning techniques can kill your hydroponic plants.
This is the quote most applicable to this thread
Excellent response!
I like your style!
LOL!
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
In most cases I'd agree with with you, but Cannabis cultivation, more than any other subject I can think of has been infested with misinformation.
Truthfully I think the DEA might be behind many of the rediculous theories regarding growing our beloved herb. What bothers me is so many otherwise intelligent people will buy such garbage.
But when it comes to individuals who willfully pass on bogus information without the experience to back it up, yes, I'd ban them after a few warnings.
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
I hate seeing medicinal growers listen to this guy.
His methods are intended for larger, commercial grows.
Lollypopping aka "Shaving her legs" , along with thinning produces less weight, but larger more uniform and saleable buds.
If you intend to sell your buds, do what he suggests.
I remove lower, weaker branches after they are dead, allowing the plants to reabsorb all the energy from them, first.
Removing sun leaves from the upper branches will help air movement and avoid mold, BUT better planning and methods would eliminate the need to do so.
Yeah, yeah. Who you going to listen to? The guy with the camera or some guy on a web site?
I do this to try to put honest and reliable information out there.
If you really don't think it's worth reading, I think this site has an "Ignore" feature.
mygirls
Medical Marijuana (MOD)
no it work in every grow. and i did this b4 i found this video...
one thing i don't do is tell some one something that don't work,,,, thank you... all from expence here and your lucky i am sharing my knolage with you.. take it for what its worth and thats a million dollars
one thing i don't do is tell some one something that don't work,,,, thank you... all from expence here and your lucky i am sharing my knolage with you.. take it for what its worth and thats a million dollars
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
If indeed it does work, have you documented the results?
I've been asking for that info for a decade, ever since I joined OG.com.
I'd love to see your production records.
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
Your experience includes 8 grows, according to your youtube account.
Brick Top
New Member
Fan leaves are a plant’s largest most effective solar collectors. They collect most of the light rays striking a plant and convert it into energy the plant then uses to create sugars/carbohydrates. Large fan leaves are also large plant organs, or factories where the combined created energy and created elements are combined and then convert and combine with the nutrients taken up by the plant turning them into a form the plant can then use for food.
Every time someone cuts a healthy leaf or branch from a plant a ‘signal’ well be sent in the plant to replace the leaf or branch, unless fairly late in flower. That means energy that would otherwise be used for new/more/increased growth with budsites or increased bud growth instead is transferred to attempt to replace what was lost somewhere on the plant.
When a plant is cut/trimmed/topped/damaged the plant sends internal ‘signals’ that basically put it into damage control mode. Depending what happens where, hormones are released triggering different functions and growth changes. That diverts and uses energy that would otherwise have been going to the plant’s normal growth.
The logic of people who do not understand plants is: A plant has ‘X’ amount of energy to use. Cut off growth deemed less desirable and ALL of the plant energy, the entire amount making up ‘X’ will then have to all go to the remaining growth.
Where that pseudo-logic fails is that with each bit of ‘green’ you remove from a plant the total amount of energy it has to rely on for growth is reduced, ‘X’ becomes ‘Q’ amount of energy. Then part of that amount of energy is diverted from the still existing growth for damage control so you end up with ‘M’ amount of energy going to the remaining growth rather than ‘X’ amount of energy.
Every time someone cuts a healthy leaf or branch from a plant a ‘signal’ well be sent in the plant to replace the leaf or branch, unless fairly late in flower. That means energy that would otherwise be used for new/more/increased growth with budsites or increased bud growth instead is transferred to attempt to replace what was lost somewhere on the plant.
When a plant is cut/trimmed/topped/damaged the plant sends internal ‘signals’ that basically put it into damage control mode. Depending what happens where, hormones are released triggering different functions and growth changes. That diverts and uses energy that would otherwise have been going to the plant’s normal growth.
The logic of people who do not understand plants is: A plant has ‘X’ amount of energy to use. Cut off growth deemed less desirable and ALL of the plant energy, the entire amount making up ‘X’ will then have to all go to the remaining growth.
Where that pseudo-logic fails is that with each bit of ‘green’ you remove from a plant the total amount of energy it has to rely on for growth is reduced, ‘X’ becomes ‘Q’ amount of energy. Then part of that amount of energy is diverted from the still existing growth for damage control so you end up with ‘M’ amount of energy going to the remaining growth rather than ‘X’ amount of energy.
DaveCoulier
Well-Known Member
After you have read these type of threads a few times, and see the same ignorance repeat itself time and time again, you may start to think, "God, just delete your account, and give up growing MJ. In fact dont even bother trying to grow a houseplant."
If you would like, I can stop trying to give people some useful info, and let them continue on believing all these myths that marijuana forums have perpetuated. MJ forums remind me of the movie Idiocracy. If the world had to learn how to grow plants of any type solely from MJ forums, we'd be in a world of shit.
Bricktop, you made a great point about plants trying to reproduce lost leaves, and branches. I saw a thread on ICMAG where a guy had a beautifully LST'd plant, and he heavily pruned it at the beginning of flowering. Over the next 10-14 days all the plant did was regrow a bunch of leaves/branches. There were no forming buds, just the plant trying to regrow what it had taken away from it.