kpmarine
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I don't want pot to have special privileges. I don't want smokes and booze to be treated any differently than I want weed treated. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, after all.
Democrat in Rhode Island leads charge against marijuana
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kpmarine
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Go to jail because it's illegal to grow, or go to jail because I can't afford the permit to grow. Not seeing the upside, honestly.
what permit? nothing has happened yet.
Krondizzel
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The laws are meant to benefit... well, not the people. Do your own thing. Screw the rules.
kpmarine
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Well, if it's to be regulated, there will be a permitting process. In order to get a permit to distill liquor, you will drop thousands of dollars. Why would weed be any different? You're making it sound like it's all rainbows and unicorns. The moment the ATF touches it, you'll likely be looking at similar permitting procedures to grow and distribute weed as you do for the other legal intoxicant of choice. It should not matter what you do on your own property, provided you aren't endangering anyone else; be it running a still to sell shine, growing weed for others, or growing tobacco to sell. Honestly, if I'm selling any of those three, I shouldn't need to jump through all these hoops to sell the fruits of my own labor. A man has the right to make a living however he sees fit, without someone else breathing down his neck. Provided it doesn't cause anyone else harm that they did not consent to knowingly, of course. This, I think comes down to a difference in how we think the world in general should work.
i'm not making it sound like anything. i'm not making assumptions or predictions. i am waiting until something actually happens and then working with it accordingly.
ATF = alcohol, tobacco and firearms. marijuana doesn't fall into any of those categories.
how the world should work and how it actually works are two different things.
it's a kennedy, that family prides itself on being moderate.... what did you expect? it's not whackjob mcconnell or any of the other political hacks in office...
he's liberal on certain issues, on this, he's as reefer madness as they come... he's a moderate, kennedy as they come...
he's liberal on certain issues, on this, he's as reefer madness as they come... he's a moderate, kennedy as they come...
kpmarine
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ATF covers explosive and other destructive devices as well. Their area of responsibility has been increased before, and it stands to reason that it will again. They are the only agency that deals with the regulation and sale of the other most popular non-prescription mind altering substance, alcohol. Permits are an established and popular way of getting some extra cash out of the vices we all enjoy, there's no reason to believe weed will be treated any different from hard alcohol. Especially given the push for driving while high laws in most states. The general population seems to put weed and alcohol on a similar level. The only difference between the world working like it should and working like it does is the action or inaction of people, meaning it can be changed through other action or inaction.
ChesusRice
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Once you involve the goverment by keeping it legal to sell. They get to regulate it. It is different because it is a drug and is meant to be consumed. For example
the USDA could implement rules that define
-facility construction and design
-disease control
-mandatory testing for thc content (have to label how much THC just like alchohol percentage)
the treasury department gets involved
-tax stamp/permit
-record keeping
It is so much easier to make marijuana legal to possess and grow illegal to sell. And it keeps the goverment out.
You have this pipedream of marijuana being totally legal and you can sell it too. Probably becuase you think you will be king of the market. But the fact is once it is legal to sell the big players will come in and not only dominate the market. They will lobby for laws to make sure you dont have any of it. I can really see Phillip Morris coming in selling bio enhanced weed for 20 bucks an ounce and lobbying for laws that only people who pay 500k for a special growers permit are allowed to grow.
want an easy example
Know what happens to store owners who sell smokes without tax stamps?
They go to jail
Harrekin
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By seperating it into legal/illegal you're going to involve the Government more tho...you realise this, yes?
Dr Kynes
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the "ATF" is actually the "BATFE" which is: "Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives"
they would be the ones to regulate weed since, like alcohol and tobacco, it is not considered "medicine" despite being used therapeutically for centuries, and even today.
yes. alcohol and tobacco are also "medicines" that are treated differently than any other drug which a doctor might prescribe. No, im not talking about homeopathic crystal power orgone energy faith healers, im talking about MD's who even today prescribe alcohol and tobacco for topical application, and for internal use.cannabis would be assigned to the BATFE for the same reasons the BATFE was created, and the same reasons it was placed within the treasury department.
REAL lawmen didnt want to waste their time chasing down small time tobacco smugglers (still happens today believe it or not) old gaffers with a moonshine still in the woods (still happens today) and knuckleheads who goof off with guns and blasting caps.
the BATFE is a tax collecting organization not lawmen. when somebody gets out of hand with bootlegging of booze or smokes its the FBI Customs and local cops who rack the case, and when somebody gets busted for using a gun in a crime, the BATFE is nowhere in sight. real crime is a job for real lawmen, not two bit, dingbat barney fife, needledicked, useless FBI academy washouts.
the BATFE exists solely to enforce bureaucratic fiats and collect taxes from otherwise law abiding persons who dared to try and make a couple bucks without giving the "Revenuers" their cut. the BATFE are tax collectors with guns, nothing more. regulation of cannabis would be, like booze and tobacco, just a revenue generating program for the feds, and like booze tobacco guns and yes, even explosives, a tarbaby that real federal lawmen dont want to touch.
in breif, the BATFE's job is simple:
If the feds cannot ban it, they send it off to the BATFE and they will tax it into submisssion with byzantine regulations and usury permits fees taxes and levies. For Our Own Good.
Dr Kynes
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it is in the nature of the US system now, EVERYTHING must be taxed.
weed is gonna be taxed whether we like it or not, either by claiming commerce clause, or the general power to tax. if you sell dope youre gonna pay a tax, unless selling dope is a crime, in which case (like now) those who wish to deal risk prison time, while those who quietly grow their own can do so without being bothered (sorta like now)
for as long as weed has been illegal, the surest way to get busted was to get caught dealing, however even the smallest grower risked the same punishment as the largest grower if somebody caught a whiff of the ganje drifting out of your dorm room window, or if your ex-old lady rats you out just to be a bitch, or you get outed by a squimp trying to deal down his drunk driving charges by ratting out a "Marijuana Kingpin" who's growing 2 plants in his closet (street value $3.5 million of course).
by eliminating the cultivation and possession penalties but retaining the penalties for selling, small time personal-use growers wont go to butt slammin prison for a roach in the ashtray, but bigtime commercial growers, smugglers of mexican dirt weed, and street dealers will still get their much deserved time in Shawshank.
ChesusRice
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You get it. Although I don't agree anyone should go to prison for a plant. My idea is the fastest way to legalization
i'm on my way to federal prison for growing and selling pot. i have NO desire to ever sell it again. i am simply providing an argument in a reality type of scenario. EVERYTHING in this world is for sale, EVERYTHING. you are making up a false scenario. you are not dealing with reality. your "plan" is a "pipe dream".
Mr Neutron
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I remember those days. Before they became law enforcers​.
ChesusRice
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They said that about legalization in the states that decriminalized it now
My plan is the fast track to getting it legalized in the rest of the USA
your "plan" holds no logic, nor does it follow reality.
ChesusRice
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Why is it the some people who are against legalizing marijuana are some of the same people selling it?
Never thought I would see dealers and criminals on the same side of the law
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Legalized, yes. But "illegal to sell" is not "legalized". cn