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ViRedd

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Welcome Back to Democratland

By Mona Charen

Friday, January 19, 2007


Some of you are probably rusty. Others are too young to recall what life was like in Democratland before 1995. Now, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's majority well into its vaunted "100 hours," you are getting a refresher course. Call it the American Idyll.

It is a world in which facts always bow to feelings. What matters is not so much that you do good, but that you feel virtuous, or perhaps more to the point, are seen to be virtuous.

Consider the increase in the minimum wage Congress passed by a vote of 315-116 (more than 80 Republicans joined all of the Democrats in voting aye). The speeches were heartwarming. "With the passage of this crucial legislation, we will reward work, paying America's workers a decent wage so they may join in our nation's prosperity," declared Speaker Pelosi. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer chimed in that "You should not be relegated to poverty if you work hard and play by the rules." Rep. Bill Pascrell proclaimed that "The little guy is not going to be forgotten any longer."

Sounds great. The Democrats are back in power, and now the deserving working poor are finally going to be paid a living wage.
Except that it isn't true.

Fewer than one in five minimum wage workers lives in a family with income below the poverty line. Despite the picture painted by the Democrats in Washington, more than 82 percent of minimum wage workers have no dependents, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Minimum wage workers tend to be young (under 25) and single (often they are students working part time), and a full 40 percent come from homes with an annual income of $60,000 and higher. Never-married workers are more likely than married workers to be paid minimum wage.

One of the Democrats who extolled an increase in the minimum wage reminded listeners that these workers "had not gotten a raise in 12 years." Well, that's misleading. It makes it seem that hundreds of thousands of workers have been toiling away at $5.15 an hour for more than a decade. Not so. Again, the BLS reports that 63 percent of minimum wage workers receive a raise after the first year of employment. Only 15 percent are still receiving the lowest wage after three years on the job.

The BLS also found that part-time workers are far more likely to be paid minimum wage than full-time employees. Only 1.2 percent of full-time, year-round employees earned $5.15 an hour or less in 2005.

The Democrats' claim to be fighting poverty by raising the minimum wage is way off target. Among the poor, the problem is not so much one of low wages as of non-work -- call it the American Idle. The Census Bureau finds that 63.2 percent of individuals aged 16 or above living in poverty did not work at all in the year preceding the survey. Raising the minimum wage obviously does nothing for those who aren't working.

As for those who are, their prospects for employment may be narrowed by a rise in the minimum wage. Employers forced to choose between raising a marginal employee's salary and firing him or her may well choose the latter. Or the employer may reduce the number of entry-level positions available. This doesn't particularly hurt the college kid who is looking for extra pocket money, but it does hurt the unskilled worker looking to climb onto the lowest rung of the economic ladder.

So what should a well-intentioned politician do if he wants to improve the lot of the poor in America? Well, here's one thought: Encourage charities to give used cars to the poor. According to a survey noted by the National Center for Policy Analysis, having a car and some work experience increased the chances that a poor person would be self-sufficient by 94 percent. There are other intriguing ideas there as well -- far more exciting and potentially successful than the hoary old minimum wage hike.

Mona Charen is a syndicated columnist, political analyst and author of Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help .
 

Dankdude

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Vi for some reason you just can't live withg the fact that the republicans are no longer in charge.
Same as the aurthor of this article.
 

themaritimer

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It doesn't matter who's in charge or where they're in charge of?
The question is no longer which of the candidates/parties are the best for the country, but which of the candidates/parties represent the lesser evil.
 

Wavels

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Indeed this is true, themaritimer…..
Unfortunately both parties are careening into more evil territory and the gap between the two parties has tightened up, to the point that they are one and the same!
Both parties are hideous!
 

ViRedd

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Vi for some reason you just can't live withg the fact that the republicans are no longer in charge.
Same as the aurthor of this article.
Dank ... I liked you a lot better when you made a little sense in your posts. Not that I don't like you now ... but better is better.

I've said it before ... I don't really like the majority of the politicians in either party. I DO consider the Democratic Party to be the more dangerous to liberty though.

Vi
 

themaritimer

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Liberty? Another to ponder upon.
As society ebbs and flows, liberty is in essence dictated to us as though we are sheep. Today's society does not facilitate liberty.
 

ViRedd

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If raising the minimum wage makes sense, then let's make it $100 per hour. That should eliminate poverty from our society for good, no?

Vi
 

LION~of~ZION

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Vi for some reason you just can't live withg the fact that the republicans are no longer in charge.
Same as the aurthor of this article.
Agreed

What were gas prices like (petroleum & natural gas) when Clinton was President? Does anyone remember

While Clinton was President how many wars were we fighting in countries where "they could possibly have nuclear weapons! but they really dont have nuclear weapons but we thought they did have nuclear weapons so we made a mistake ooops... big deal!"

While clinton was president how many of us woke up in the morning knowing full well how much the majority of the worlds population despises us as American citizens?

While Clinton was president how much did we have to worry about traveling to other countries that we now cannot travel to without fear of murder or kidnapping?

Some people are nuts thats no joke. Some are gluttons for punishment and the Bush Jr crew delivered.
 

7xstall

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Agreed

What were gas prices like (petroleum & natural gas) when Clinton was President? Does anyone remember

While Clinton was President how many wars were we fighting in countries where "they could possibly have nuclear weapons! but they really dont have nuclear weapons but we thought they did have nuclear weapons so we made a mistake ooops... big deal!"

While clinton was president how many of us woke up in the morning knowing full well how much the majority of the worlds population despises us as American citizens?

While Clinton was president how much did we have to worry about traveling to other countries that we now cannot travel to without fear of murder or kidnapping?

Some people are nuts thats no joke. Some are gluttons for punishment and the Bush Jr crew delivered.
good thing he was so proactive in preventing terrorists from achieving their goal. i mean, those women and children in Waco were really out of hand...

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LION~of~ZION

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Nice try however Waco is a FAR cry from whats taking place in Iraq and around the world at the moment

due to an oppressive regime known as the Bush administration
 

LION~of~ZION

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Please provide valid proof as to how Clinton is responsible for the poor decisions made by law enforcement and the FBI at Waco...no conservative bullshit please just FACTS...thank you
 

medicineman

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Please provide valid proof as to how Clinton is responsible for the poor decisions made by law enforcement and the FBI at Waco...no conservative bullshit please just FACTS...thank you
You'll not get facts about Clinton from this crowd. They hate him for his freedom, and the fact that he got a blowjob from a 21 tear old, I say Kudos, he should have gotten a medal instead of impeachment. The people deserving of impeachment are at present abiding in the white house. Clinton was far from perfect (Aren't we all) but a thousand times the president Bush is. When the true historical facts are disclosed (If ever), Bush will be known as the worst president in our history. We're still awaiting the true facts about the Kennedy assassination.
 

7xstall

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Nice try however Waco is a FAR cry from whats taking place in Iraq and around the world at the moment

due to an oppressive regime known as the Bush administration
yeah, i agree, burning US citizens alive in their homes is far, far worse than anything we've ever seen before. the greatest example of domestic executive branch terrorism in the history of the US! glad you're with me on that.

Please provide valid proof as to how Clinton is responsible for the poor decisions made by law enforcement and the FBI at Waco...no conservative bullshit please just FACTS...thank you
exhibit A. clinton was president.
exhibit B. clinton was the chief law enforcement officer of the federal government.
exhibit C. as chief law enforcement officer clinton was in charge of the ATF.
exhibit D. clinton appointed that dried up, family hating hag Janet Reno.

is anything else relevant, besides the fact that clinton gave promotions and raises to the key players in this tragedy?




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medicineman

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yeah, i agree, burning US citizens alive in their homes is far, far worse than anything we've ever seen before. the greatest example of domestic executive branch terrorism in the history of the US! glad you're with me on that.



exhibit A. clinton was president.
exhibit B. clinton was the chief law enforcement officer of the federal government.
exhibit C. as chief law enforcement officer clinton was in charge of the ATF.
exhibit D. clinton appointed that dried up, family hating hag Janet Reno.

is anything else relevant, besides the fact that clinton gave promotions and raises to the key players in this tragedy?




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Please show me where it says the pres. is the chief law enforcement officer. He is commander in chief of the military, but these assaults on waco were done by incompetents in Law enforcement. The FBI and the ATF. If anyone should of been hanged it was them and Reno.
 

7xstall

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Please show me where it says the pres. is the chief law enforcement officer. He is commander in chief of the military, but these assaults on waco were done by incompetents in Law enforcement. The FBI and the ATF. If anyone should of been hanged it was them and Reno.
he is the head of the executive branch, the branch that enforces laws - the president is the federal police chief.

also, those "incompetents" were carry overs from Ruby Ridge. in fact, the man who shot the woman holding her baby was promptly promoted by clinton before Waco and then promoted again after. that's the guy i told you about last time this came up who went into a "private sector" job doing security consultations for clinton in his second term.






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medicineman

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he is the head of the executive branch, the branch that enforces laws - the president is the federal police chief.

also, those "incompetents" were carry overs from Ruby Ridge. in fact, the man who shot the woman holding her baby was promptly promoted by clinton before Waco and then promoted again after. that's the guy i told you about last time this came up who went into a "private sector" job doing security consultations for clinton in his second term.






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Well I guess that makes clinton a murderer then, only he's murdered about a million less than your Idol Bush. Seems whenever these assholes fuck up they get a promotion, just look at the Bush regime, promoting them absolves them of any criminal recourse I suppose, reprimanding them would open them up to public scrutiny, It's politics as usual or unusual as I'd put it.
The facts are that the economy, world opinion, freedom, and general wellbeing were all better under clinton than Bush!
 
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