Democratic Senator, Dick Durban: 'We Should Appeal To The Center'

Im appealing to both sides.

Far be it from me to keep my mouth shut either when i feel strongly.

Im asking the sanders side to stop blaming Clinton, the whole superdeligate thing as unfair as it may be in some ways could have prevented trump had both sides used it, and it wasnt a surprise system. At same time i think maybe they should keep their vote secret till end, but rehashing if the primary wasnt fair, gets us no where as anti trumpers.

Clinton folks blaming bernie supporters for trump, needs to stop tol, now its different if that bernie supporter was one of the whackos that voted for oompa loompa in the end- but statistically those are few. But to me a true bernie person was one who followed Bern to the polls for Hillary. In my garage both my Bernie sign and Clinton sign hang proudly together.

So no im not asking you that. Im asking both sides to not bring it up in first place... its a waste of our anti trump energy.

Establisment dems need to accept a loud very progressive voice within tbe base is here to stay, and that very progressive group needs to accept that not every dem going to be as progressive as they...

I consider myself with one foot strongly in both groups. Im as progressive as it gets but if i were in office you can damn well bet id rather be working things out with a "corp dem" than a heartless tea bagger...

tangerinegreen555 said:

Well, they aren't going to be 79 in 2020.

And Mrs. Clinton is out of the mix.

Personally, I would prefer a younger candidate. But it's you guys who act as though (again) Bernie is the only hope.


I voted for him in the primary at 75.

79 seems like forcing him to die in office.
Ever notice how the last few aged in office? Tell me that job doesn't take something out of you.

Exception: Trump. Who doesn't give a fuck about truth or anything else.

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Of all the weak arguments against a Sanders Presidency, this one has to be the weakest. Joe Biden is JUST ONE YEAR YOUNGER than Bernie, so clearly you're betraying your bias.

If Bernie wants to be president in his twilight years, he has my vote. I expect him to carefully choose his VP with this firmly in mind.

ttystikk said:

Of all the weak arguments against a Sanders Presidency, this one has to be the weakest. Joe Biden is JUST ONE YEAR YOUNGER than Bernie, so clearly you're betraying your bias.

If Bernie wants to be president in his twilight years, he has my vote. I expect him to carefully choose his VP with this firmly in mind.

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Guess you totally missed the preference for a younger candidate.

You know, you and I generally vote for the same people.

You know Sanders, Clinton and Biden are also on the same side like 93% of the time.

The big difference between you and I is this.
When I voted for them, I was satisfied with them.

You, on the other hand, called Mrs. Clinton names and whined that Bernie didn't win because he was cheated out of it somehow. It's not like he barely lost, man. There was a fairly large spread.

Trump is the real enemy, unless you want to continue to try to divide the party.

And you and your allies here take things waaaaay to personally and do a lot of name calling to those who also vote the same way you do.

But carry on and keep believing those YT videos. I'm sure they've all been thoroughly corroborated to the same standards that CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS use before releasing a story.

tangerinegreen555 said:

But carry on and keep believing those YT videos. I'm sure they've all been thoroughly corroborated to the same standards that CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS use before releasing a story.

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If you seriously believe these are unbiased sources then you're deluded to the point where it isn't worth continuing the conversation.

ttystikk said:

If you seriously believe these are unbiased sources then you're deluded to the point where it isn't worth continuing the conversation.

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And you're another conspiracy theory chaser, no better than the wingnut conspiracy theory chasers.

The truth is out there. Feel free to avoid it or spin it any damn way you like.
Just like your bullshit about the Washington Post's social media policy somehow keeps reporters from running stories.

Your theories aren't necessaily facts, neither are your opinions.

And calling gay people names sucks. I'm sure you know what I'm referring to.

Have a great night.

Reminder: Centrism is death.

tangerinegreen555 said:

Guess you totally missed the preference for a younger candidate.

You know, you and I generally vote for the same people.

You know Sanders, Clinton and Biden are also on the same side like 93% of the time.

The big difference between you and I is this.
When I voted for them, I was satisfied with them.

You, on the other hand, called Mrs. Clinton names and whined that Bernie didn't win because he was cheated out of it somehow. It's not like he barely lost, man. There was a fairly large spread.

Trump is the real enemy, unless you want to continue to try to divide the party.

And you and your allies here take things waaaaay to personally and do a lot of name calling to those who also vote the same way you do.

But carry on and keep believing those YT videos. I'm sure they've all been thoroughly corroborated to the same standards that CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS use before releasing a story.

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name calling?

you're just as blind as those around trump..how come you don't call out bucky and his ball washing society on name calling? they pretty much corner the market around here.

telling

schuylaar said:

name calling?

you're just as blind as those around trump..how come you don't call out bucky and his ball washing society on name calling? they pretty much corner the market around here.

telling

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At least Buck fights for what is right. You fight to stop blacks from naming their child names of meaning and choice.
There's a reason why you will grow old and without a mate. Speaking of ball washing. do you think you will create new ads on Craigslist ?

please report so mods can see you accuse other members of ball washings, when all know you do it best IRL

londonfog said:

At least Buck fights for what is right. You fight to stop blacks from naming their child names of meaning and choice.
There's a reason why you will grow old and without a mate. Speaking of ball washing. do you think you will create new ads on Craigslist ?

please report so mods can see you accuse other members of ball washings, when all know you do it best IRL

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She is feeling the buuuuuuuurrrrrnnnnnn!

abandonconflict said:

She is feeling the buuuuuuuurrrrrnnnnnn!

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She just well possible can make you feel the burnnnnnnnnn

KillerIndica said:

Reminder: Centrism is death.

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Dogmatism chokes thought and kills the brain. Komrade.

Huckster79 said:

Im appealing to both sides.

Far be it from me to keep my mouth shut either when i feel strongly.

Im asking the sanders side to stop blaming Clinton, the whole superdeligate thing as unfair as it may be in some ways could have prevented trump had both sides used it, and it wasnt a surprise system. At same time i think maybe they should keep their vote secret till end, but rehashing if the primary wasnt fair, gets us no where as anti trumpers.

Clinton folks blaming bernie supporters for trump, now its different if that bernie supporter was one of the whackos that voted for oompa loompa. But to me a true bernie person was one who followed Bern to the polls for Hillary. In my garage both my Bernie sign and Clinton sign hang proudly together.

So no im not asking you that. Im asking both sides to not bring it up in first place... its a waste of our anti trump energy.

Establisment dems need to accept a loud very progressive voice within tbe base is here to stay, and that very progressive group needs to accept that not every dem going to be as progressive as they...

I consider myself with one foot strongly in both groups. Im as progressive as it gets but if i were in office you can damn well bet id rather be working things out with a "corp dem" than a heartless tea bagger...

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I'm not quite sure what your concern is. There is a nascent movement that is critical of an old faction of the Democratic Party which, quite frankly, failed. Regardless of the reason, the elder contingent has taken the Democratic Party to this low point. What I see is passionate discussion about what went wrong, what is wrong and what to do. I actually don't see much debate on what to do, but the other two areas of debate are hot and rife with misunderstanding. Now is the time to have it out, not in 2020 if we hope to succeed then..

There is discussion of a third party, which would probably sink any hopes of prying away control of government from right wingers. I honestly feel that if there is such dissension by the callow crowd then let's pop the boil now and get it over with. There is a lot that is right about their arguments and a lot that is simply propaganda that is borrowed from conservative radio. I won't sit quietly when Rush Limbaugh is quoted, I don't care if if it is coming from the left.

Honestly, do you think differences can be resolved by not talking about them?

Fogdog said:

I'm not quite sure what your concern is. There is a nascent movement that is critical of an old faction of the Democratic Party which, quite frankly, failed. Regardless of the reason, the elder contingent has taken the Democratic Party to this low point. What I see is passionate discussion about what went wrong, what is wrong and what to do. I actually don't see much debate on what to do, but the other two areas of debate are hot and rife with misunderstanding. Now is the time to have it out, not in 2020 if we hope to succeed then...

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How ironic you would admit the old guard of the Democratic party has failed (Hillary and her Wal-Street-fellating supporters like you and Fuck) yet you mock the "Nascent movement..." and side with the old guard.

Centrists are traitors.

KillerIndica said:

How ironic you would admit the old guard of the Democratic party has failed (Hillary and her Wal-Street-fellating supporters like you and Fuck) yet you mock the "Nascent movement..." and side with the old guard.

Centrists are traitors.

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Those callow Sanders supporters need to actually accomplish something. Sanders lost, as you may recall. I'm hopeful for the movement but it's awfully green and at times embarrassing to watch. While I called my congressmen to voice my general support for universal access to healthcare when Sanders introduced his bill for it this summer, I was embarrassed by how unfinished it was. Sanders supporters were cumming in their pants over it. I like the passion and energy they have but it's similar to listening to a teenager try to talk about complicated topics.

You misunderstand me when you claim I'm mocking the movement by pointing out they are callow. A callow youth isn't bad, it's just an unfinished young person.

Fogdog said:

Those callow Sanders supporters need to actually accomplish something. Sanders lost, as you may recall. I'm hopeful for the movement but it's awfully green and at times embarrassing to watch. While I called my congressmen to voice my general support for universal access to healthcare when Sanders introduced his bill for it this summer, I was embarrassed by how unfinished it was. Sanders supporters were cumming in their pants over it. I like the passion and energy they have but it's similar to listening to a teenager try to talk about complicated topics.

You misunderstand me when you claim I'm mocking the movement by pointing out they are callow. A callow youth isn't bad, it's just an unfinished young person.

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Why do you hate Bernie Sanders so much?

schuylaar said:

Why do you hate Bernie Sanders so much?

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I don't hate Bernie Sanders. Why do you think I hate Bernie Sanders?

tangerinegreen555 said:

And you're another conspiracy theory chaser, no better than the wingnut conspiracy theory chasers.

The truth is out there. Feel free to avoid it or spin it any damn way you like.
Just like your bullshit about the Washington Post's social media policy somehow keeps reporters from running stories.

Your theories aren't necessaily facts, neither are your opinions.

And calling gay people names sucks. I'm sure you know what I'm referring to.

Have a great night.

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Nice of you to ask for the whole story before you start with the smears.

The more I see how the major news media networks behave, the less inclined I am to think they are objective or unbiased. Consider who owns them, just for starters.

ttystikk said:

Nice of you to ask for the whole story before you start with the smears.

The more I see how the major news media networks behave, the less inclined I am to think they are objective or unbiased. Consider who owns them, just for starters.

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I worked for a large company.

The fucking owner didn't ever tell me what to do. Ever.

Nor did he tell my direct supervisor what to do. Ever.

What 'smears'?

You're above criticism and always correct? I'll take that into consideration.

tangerinegreen555 said:

I worked for a large company.

The fucking owner didn't ever tell me what to do. Ever.

Nor did he tell my direct supervisor what to do. Ever.

What 'smears'?

You're above criticism and always correct? I'll take that into consideration.

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The most work tty ever did for a large company was when he sold them his blood.

That said, people who work for large companies know when to say something and when not to. Even being right can be career limiting.