Different theory. Your thoughts?

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ChesusRice

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After having been in converstaions/debates with ideologue right wingers.
I have come to the conclusion.
They dont even believe the shit they spew

For example
Mention Voter Id
And you hear a litany of reasons all debunked on why it is necessary

I am pretty assured no amount of reasoning with them will change their minds

Becuase they know the goal of Voter ID is all about making sure less democrats vote

Want to go to something else?
Unions.
The real reason for the hate of unions has nothing to do with freedom of assembly

It has to do with the fact that Unions support Pro labor candidates who happen to be Democrat

That makes Republicans Facists in my mind
 
deprave

deprave

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It makes them fucking idiots just like you they buy everything their party of choices tells them hook, line, & sinker. This makes them just like you.
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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I just chalk it up to what the band Green Day says about some Americans who have a "Redneck Agenda."


The name of the album is American Idiot. :lol:

:mrgreen:
 
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beenthere

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ChesusRice said:
After having been in converstaions/debates with ideologue right wingers.
I have come to the conclusion.
They dont even believe the shit they spew

For example
Mention Voter Id
And you hear a litany of reasons all debunked on why it is necessary

I am pretty assured no amount of reasoning with them will change their minds

Becuase they know the goal of Voter ID is all about making sure less democrats vote

Want to go to something else?
Unions.
The real reason for the hate of unions has nothing to do with freedom of assembly

It has to do with the fact that Unions support Pro labor candidates who happen to be Democrat

That makes Republicans Facists in my mind
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I had no idea that voter ID requirements were exclusively targeting democrats, this is totally unjust and should be done away with!

I'll be the first conservative on this forum to stand up and demand that any law that requires a US citizen to show a picture ID as a condition of voting, should be a UNIFORM law to include all political parties.
Thanks for pointing this out Chesus!
 
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ChesusRice

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[video=youtube;hBJsoCRsbCE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBJsoCRsbCE[/video]

Doesnt look good when a RNC chair comes out and admits it
 
ink the world

ink the world

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Personal freedom and liberty for all. Unless you're gay, a woman, a non Christian, poor or a minority.

They have turned into the party of scared Christian white people.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
I had no idea that voter ID requirements were exclusively targeting democrats
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really?

you had no idea that PA's voter ID law was to target democrats and assure a romney win? you thought this was about fairness?

why does the jerkoff who passed the law say it will allow romney to win rather than make elections fair?
 
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ChesusRice

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In Ohio, early voting has been the target of Republican election officials. First, early voting hours were extended only in Republican counties. Then under public pressure, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted made early voting hours uniform, but limited them to weekdays only, effectively preventing traditional Sunday voting by African American church-goers. In Florida, Republican Governor Rick Scott signed voter ID restrictions into law, then began to purge voting rolls, targeting Hispanic voters. Cuts in early voting also took aim at voting groups that gave President Obama Florida's 27 electoral votes in 2008. The federal Department of Justice ordered Governor Scott to stop because the efforts were discriminatory. But Scott has continued his push to stop more than 180,000 Americans from voting in Florida.
While some Republicans claim the goal is to stop fraud by people impersonating registered voters, others have admitted it's really all about winning elections for Republican candidates by cheating because there is no evidence to support claims that voting fraud is a problem.
Pennsylvania House Leader, Republican Mike Turzai admitted the true object behind the new voter ID laws. In a now-famous video, Turzai said strict new voting laws would help Republicans "win the state," in the 2012 elections.
That goal is best achieved by blocking votes by as many Americans as possible who might cast a vote for a Democrat.
In the past 30 years, there have not been so many obvious efforts to stop Americans from voting. This is what democracy has been reduced to in the United States of America in 2012.
 
canndo

canndo

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beenthere said:
I had no idea that voter ID requirements were exclusively targeting democrats, this is totally unjust and should be done away with!

I'll be the first conservative on this forum to stand up and demand that any law that requires a US citizen to show a picture ID as a condition of voting, should be a UNIFORM law to include all political parties.
Thanks for pointing this out Chesus!
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Now this is the sort of comment that illustrates the conservative mind. There is no comprehension of reality only of high level "theory".

You don't really believe that these voter ID requirements are party blind do you? really Beenthere? you can't see the mechanism at work here?
 
canndo

canndo

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Note how the surpression nay sayers stay away from this thread. This is typical of conservative reaction. Deny, obfuscate but finally, if the evidence is bad enough - ignore. Then, when these incidences are brought up in a debate the conservative can derail the conversation itself by claiming he is not aware of such a thing, and usually if a conservative is not aware of something - that something never happened. I have not seen anything amounting to a story about any of this voter surpression on FOX. I have seen crawls stating the accusations. This does two things, it indemnifies FOX against statements that they ignored the story and it also simply reports accusations - and you know how the Dems are always accusing Repubs of such things - the lousy leftist whiners.
 
canndo

canndo

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Beenthere? got a comment? we now have two admissions of voter Surppression from Republicans.
 
canndo

canndo

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ChesusRice said:
After having been in converstaions/debates with ideologue right wingers.
I have come to the conclusion.
They dont even believe the shit they spew

For example
Mention Voter Id
And you hear a litany of reasons all debunked on why it is necessary

I am pretty assured no amount of reasoning with them will change their minds

Becuase they know the goal of Voter ID is all about making sure less democrats vote

Want to go to something else?
Unions.
The real reason for the hate of unions has nothing to do with freedom of assembly

It has to do with the fact that Unions support Pro labor candidates who happen to be Democrat

That makes Republicans Facists in my mind
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Correct - they do not address the effects of voter ID, they will not do that, they will remain in the theoretical. They will not address the effects of alterations in voting times and cannot even offer a reason why those times were changed TWICE in OH (I believe, there is so much to keep track of I mistake one state for another). What we get is "I don't know why they did it", or "to prevent voter fraud?" note the question mark.

Only Red has come out and dealt with the issue and even he has not yet offered any evidence of his assertions.

I think this is evidence of inherited opinion. Conservatives simply parrot what they have heard about the issue. In the cases where they have not been given a talking point - which is obvious here because of course FOX hasn't offered any, they can only say they don't know or offer a furitive question. The reason you Ches only get regurgitation of "well ID makes sense" without their addressing the effects of such laws is because they have not yet been given their opinions. And of course we will get the general - "you are an idiot" or "you are simply touting the party line" instead of anything more concrete. As to the "touting party line" - all we are doing here is posting the Republican "party line" - which seems to be that blacks shouldn't be able to vote and that regardless of popular sentiment, PA should go to Romney.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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We used to vote at union meetings, so only around 50 out of 1200 would show up at these meetings. That 50 would make decisions for the whole group. The 1100 would have mostly voted in the opposite direction in many instances. I was forever trying to get others to show up and vote so we would have a better representation of our group. One time we almost went on strike over 15 cents an hour when the wages were around 22.50 - it was just ridiculous.
 
deprave

deprave

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well I can't speak for everyone but I have to say this is one thing where a lot of civil libertarians agree with the democrats, especially now that we have seen the Republican tactics used against us as well with Dr Paul. I will add again that its just them being sheeple and following whatever their party tells them, a lot of dems are the same way really so its kind of a two way street here, people just need to take political propaganda for what it is and not be hypnotized. There are cases of voter fraud but they aren't perpitrated by the individual voters so I.D serves no purpose when the instigators/organizers can still skate around that , Joe smo isn't lining up to vote thinking hes going to get one over on the state, its the parties organizing this fraud themselves, this needs to be handled by auditing/counting the votes openly and publicly. This is how they suppressed Dr paul: Secret Ballots, "Trucks" of votes going missing, counting at secret locations, not allowing audio/video of counting, etc...We don't even need to example of Dr Paul to see the principle of this but I think its a good recent example.
 
canndo

canndo

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deprave said:
well I can't speak for everyone but I have to say this is one thing where a lot of civil libertarians agree with the democrats, especially now that we have seen the Republican tactics used against us as well with Dr Paul. I will add again that its just them being sheeple and following whatever their party tells them, a lot of dems are the same way really so its kind of a two way street here, .
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Party A obscures the truth and lies about 20 percent of the time.

Party B obscures the truth and lies about 80 percent of the time.

Person 1 believes everything Party A says and nothing Party B says.
Person 2 believes everything Party B says and nothing Party A says.
Person 3 believes nothing either Party A or Party B says because "they all lie"

Which person is the larger fool?
 
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