DIY with Quantum Boards

NanoGadget

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I don't work for a competitor, I test lights for my own business. The results for the tests can be manipulated but I have no interest in manipulating test results. I can show people how to see if any manipulation has occurred of tests. If HLG want to get tests done they can do them themselves with someone local. My interest is having a database with full transparency that is all. I believe that people on here are smart enough to learn how to use an IES file and it will become a normal thing within a few years for people to use an IES file to set up thier grow rooms before spending any money at all. They do not have to be part of it but others are going to be involved so I thought they may want to also be involved that's all.
Oh i am certain that many of the growers on here can and will adopt any tech and apply any new information that will give them the best possible results. More available data is always preferable for people with an open and analytical mind. My only point was that you seemed to indicated that you were being paid by cutter? I may have misread or misunderstood what you stated in a previous post.
 

TEKNIK

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Oh i am certain that many of the growers on here can and will adopt any tech and apply any new information that will give them the best possible results. More available data is always preferable for people with an open and analytical mind. My only point was that you seemed to indicated that you were being paid by cutter? I may have misread or misunderstood what you stated in a previous post.
I am doing this for free as I believe it is overdue and there has been too much confusion regarding horticulture lighting over the past 10 years. My machine is really fast at doing tests and a lab usually charges alot to do these tests. By utilising these tests it will take most of the confusion away, The only thing that will be left for people to decide on is what spectrum suits them.
I do know the guys at cutter quite well as we are local to each other. Mark from cutter has no interest in manipulating results and nor do I.
 

TEKNIK

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I can see that they work well and I do not doubt that they work well, what I am trying to achieve is quite different. Time and time again you see the question how many lights will I need for my room, if you have an IES file you can draw your room using a simple program then add as many or as little lights as you like, you can also adjust heights in the program to see the effect it has. It will give you an accurate PAR reading without having to do PAR tests. I believe that everyone building grow rooms will use this program in the near future but they need the IES file and alot simply don't have it. It will take a while for this all to happen but it will happen. I want to have as many reputable brands as I can on the database and keep updating it as new products are released.
 

Budi

Member
Hello every body

I didn't get an answer from a thread I've opend so maybe I'll get it here... as I was told that there are LED pros in this forum.

I need an opinion on a board I'm about to buy. some specs:

LM301B 4000K SL: 164pcs;
LM301B 2700K SJ: 92pcs;
Cree XPE 660nm: 12pcs;
Cree XPE 730nm: 2pcs;
LG UV 380nm:2pcs.

120w
110-114v

what do you think on this mix of diodes and spectrum?

Thank you
 

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pop22

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You could achieve the same thing with a more even coverage by just using 3500 LMB301B leds. The added Cree chips may be useful although far red is normally only used for brief periods. And you don't want UV of the same board as you don't want to expose your eyes to UV dangers, UV light needs to be independent so that you may turn it off when entering your growroom/tent.

Hello every body

I didn't get an answer from a thread I've opend so maybe I'll get it here... as I was told that there are LED pros in this forum.

I need an opinion on a board I'm about to buy. some specs:

LM301B 4000K SL: 164pcs;
LM301B 2700K SJ: 92pcs;
Cree XPE 660nm: 12pcs;
Cree XPE 730nm: 2pcs;
LG UV 380nm:2pcs.

120w
110-114v

what do you think on this mix of diodes and spectrum?

Thank you
 

TEKNIK

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TEKNIK you seem to just be regurgitating your testing on every single thread available, why don't you give it a rest already.
I apologise for discussing real testing, I completely understand how this knowledge may be completely over your head hence why you are so active in the quantum board knock off thread as opposed to the genuine products that have the real people like the guys from HLG and thier supporters that do the real research and development, I am going to keep discussing goniometer testing and also bring to this forum my 13 years of experience in the LED industry and my dealings with China knock off companies like the ones you prefer to deal with. I noticed that it is possible for you to block me so you can not see anything I post. Please do it as I am not here to be trolled but simply improve results for the really clever people on the forum and there are alot of really clever people on this forum.
Anyone who doesn't like what I am trying to bring to this forum to help please block me.
 

semaphore

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I apologise for discussing real testing, I completely understand how this knowledge may be completely over your head hence why you are so active in the quantum board knock off thread as opposed to the genuine products that have the real people like the guys from HLG and thier supporters that do the real research and development, I am going to keep discussing goniometer testing and also bring to this forum my 13 years of experience in the LED industry and my dealings with China knock off companies like the ones you prefer to deal with. I noticed that it is possible for you to block me so you can not see anything I post. Please do it as I am not here to be trolled but simply improve results for the really clever people on the forum and there are alot of really clever people on this forum.
Anyone who doesn't like what I am trying to bring to this forum to help please block me.
Actually you've been called out by multiple people with your incessant self aggrandizing. FYI I own HLG boards as well, not just knock off ones. You're actually just polluting the forums now.
 

TEKNIK

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Actually you've been called out by multiple people with your incessant self aggrandizing. FYI I own HLG boards as well, not just knock off ones. You're actually just polluting the forums now.
OK can you block me now so it doesn't happen again please. I really don't want to cause or have arguments with people here, it is not my intention
 

619kt619

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@TEKNIK, I love what you are trying to bring to the table. A program that can spit out all the data for a particular light and be adjusted to a specific design is awesome. However there are some major obstacles that will prevent you from seeing your dream becoming fully realized. My first problem is that you are trying to make this a 'free' resource, instead this program and the IES files that run in it need to be your 'intellectual property' and you need to be a 'light engine consultant' that can show the pros and cons of different lights in a fancy program that sells the time and effort you put into the files (aka at your cost). Not very many average consumers are going to be chomping at the bit to download a program, grab the IES file to run in the program and then apply it to their small space (Not yet at least). You need to be contracted with large operations that need to know these types of things due to the fact that at their scale a wrong purchase is a business ending move, where as the consumer will only be slightly setback and will be able to recover.

I do believe that your dream of an open source where any lighting company that wants to be reputable and able to sell units will need to supply IES files and every consumer small and large will be able to use this information to their advantage. We are just not at the point where you can offer it for free to everyone.

So here is my advice to you
1. become a lighting consultant and land some contracts
2. run the tests for the client depending on which lights they are considering
3. spit it out in your fancy program
4. get paid and do it again

From what you have described this stuff sounds promising, your aspirations are just a little too liberal at the moment.
 

TEKNIK

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@TEKNIK, I love what you are trying to bring to the table. A program that can spit out all the data for a particular light and be adjusted to a specific design is awesome. However there are some major obstacles that will prevent you from seeing your dream becoming fully realized. My first problem is that you are trying to make this a 'free' resource, instead this program and the IES files that run in it need to be your 'intellectual property' and you need to be a 'light engine consultant' that can show the pros and cons of different lights in a fancy program that sells the time and effort you put into the files (aka at your cost). Not very many average consumers are going to be chomping at the bit to download a program, grab the IES file to run in the program and then apply it to their small space (Not yet at least). You need to be contracted with large operations that need to know these types of things due to the fact that at their scale a wrong purchase is a business ending move, where as the consumer will only be slightly setback and will be able to recover.

I do believe that your dream of an open source where any lighting company that wants to be reputable and able to sell units will need to supply IES files and every consumer small and large will be able to use this information to their advantage. We are just not at the point where you can offer it for free to everyone.

So here is my advice to you
1. become a lighting consultant and land some contracts
2. run the tests for the client depending on which lights they are considering
3. spit it out in your fancy program
4. get paid and do it again

From what you have described this stuff sounds promising, your aspirations are just a little too liberal at the moment.
Hi 619, the program Dialux is free to download and it is an awesome program, I didn't make it, it is something that all lighting designers use to view IES files, secondly the IES files will not be my intellectual property, they will be open for all to view. It will be and is all open source. 3rd It is a completely free program and IES files are everywhere just not specifically for horticultural lighting. 4th I believe the time is now for people to take hold of this technology and use it to set up thier own grow room big or small. 5th I can offer free IES files when I have the time to do the tests, in most cases the tests can be done quickly as my machine is upto 100X faster than most that do the same job. I really believe that the time for people to start to use these programs is now and the benefits it will bring to a community like RIU are huge.
I went back to the beginning of this thread and on the second page I actually found HLG using Dialux to simulate PAR maps. It's time for the users of this forum to do the same as what the developers do when they are checking things out. I am not sure if they still do goniometer tests but they did when this thread first started
 

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hillbill

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Some of the posts back on page 2 are hilarious now. Same folks with the same old reasons that QBs couldn’t possibly work. Especially now that we all can see what a miserable job QBs do. Note:Last sentence contained sarcasm.
 

pop22

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I know for a fact that HLG did extensive testing on their QB boards. Whether or not they used this particular meter is unknown, however, test results from just one device do not make for accurate final data either. I do know they did sphere tests among other. These guys didn't just buy some shitty Chinese boards and call them their own, they spent hundreds of hours designing and testing their products, and used the best materials available. If your so bent on testing these boards, then do it like consumer Reports does, buy the damned things and test them.That way, your are not under anyone's influence. I personally wouldn't even look at a "test report" from someone begging lights from anyone.

So do the tests not talk about it. Talk is cheap.


I apologise for discussing real testing, I completely understand how this knowledge may be completely over your head hence why you are so active in the quantum board knock off thread as opposed to the genuine products that have the real people like the guys from HLG and thier supporters that do the real research and development, I am going to keep discussing goniometer testing and also bring to this forum my 13 years of experience in the LED industry and my dealings with China knock off companies like the ones you prefer to deal with. I noticed that it is possible for you to block me so you can not see anything I post. Please do it as I am not here to be trolled but simply improve results for the really clever people on the forum and there are alot of really clever people on this forum.
Anyone who doesn't like what I am trying to bring to this forum to help please block me.
 

TEKNIK

Well-Known Member
I know for a fact that HLG did extensive testing on their QB boards. Whether or not they used this particular meter is unknown, however, test results from just one device do not make for accurate final data either. I do know they did sphere tests among other. These guys didn't just buy some shitty Chinese boards and call them their own, they spent hundreds of hours designing and testing their products, and used the best materials available. If your so bent on testing these boards, then do it like consumer Reports does, buy the damned things and test them.That way, your are not under anyone's influence. I personally wouldn't even look at a "test report" from someone begging lights from anyone.

So do the tests not talk about it. Talk is cheap.
I would actually prefer it if HLG and other companies supply goniometer tests for thier own products rather than testing them myself, goniometer testing is expensive to do, one light would also need to be tested about 5 times over various currents, costs on doing 5 goniometer tests would be around $2000. I just want to have a database for them in one nice neat place.
 

jjng5

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I would actually prefer it if HLG and other companies supply goniometer tests for thier own products rather than testing them myself, goniometer testing is expensive to do, one light would also need to be tested about 5 times over various currents, costs on doing 5 goniometer tests would be around $2000. I just want to have a database for them in one nice neat place.
@TEKNIK it might be worth creating a solo thread for just this very concept and show the various work you are doing. That way you have the best chance at building some momentum and peaking interests. This thread is more meant for DIY QB's for the consumer purchase and assembly. Most of us are trying to help each other on driver selection, materials used, heat sinks, grow results, etc. Best of luck to ya!
 
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