Do you think private businesses should be democratically operated?

Do you think private businesses should be democratically operated?


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Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
"Business Culture

Mondragon co-operatives are united by a humanist concept of business, a philosophy of participation and solidarity, and a shared business culture. The culture is rooted in a shared mission and a number of principles, corporate values and business policies.

Over the years, these links have been embodied in a series of operating rules approved on a majority basis by the Co-operative Congresses, which regulate the activity of the Governing Bodies of the Corporation (Standing Committee, General Council), the Grassroots Co-operatives and the Divisions they belong to, from the organisational, institutional and economic points of view as well as in terms of assets.

This framework of business culture has been structured based on a common culture derived from the 10 Basic Co-operative Principles, in which Mondragon is rooted: Open Admission, Democratic Organisation, the Sovereignty of Labour, Instrumental and Subordinate Nature of Capital, Participatory Management, Payment Solidarity, Inter-cooperation, Social Transformation, Universality and Education.

This philosophy is complemented by four corporate values: Co-operation, acting as owners and protagonists; Participation, which takes shape as a commitment to management; Social Responsibility, by means of the distribution of wealth based on solidarity; and Innovation, focusing on constant renewal in all areas.

This business culture translates into compliance with a number of Basic Objectives (Customer Focus, Development, Innovation, Profitability, People in Co-operation and Involvement in the Community) and General Policies approved by the Co-operative Congress, which are taken on board at all the corporation’s organisational levels and incorporated into the four-year strategic plans and the annual business plans of the individual co-operatives, divisions, and the corporation as a whole.

Wage regulation

At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in his/her cooperative. In reality, this ratio is smaller because there are few Mondragon worker-owners that earn minimum wages, because most jobs are somewhat specialized and are classified at higher wage levels. The wage ratio of a cooperative is decided periodically by its worker-owners through a democratic vote.

Compared to similar jobs at local industries, Mondragon managers' wages are considerably lower (as some companies pay their best paid managers hundreds of times more than the lowest-paid employee of the company) and equivalent for middle management, technical and professional levels. Lower wage levels are on average 13% higher than similar jobs at local businesses. Spain's progressive tax rate further reduces any disparity in pay."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
This is categorically false.

Bob and Sue own, Bobby Sue Bakery, they are proprietors and have 5 employees. They are a privately held business that serves to the public. One of their employees is the head chef and he/she makes all the decisions as to what this Bakery will bake with the exception of a few things that Sue wants. That head chef is a major decision stakeholder in the business but the business is privately held.
Head chef decides to fire Bob and Sue. Nothing happens. Bob and Sue decide to fire head chef. Head chef is unemployed.

It is difficult to believe you can be as dumb as you seem. It's an act, right?
 

see4

Well-Known Member
Head chef decides to fire Bob and Sue. Nothing happens. Bob and Sue decide to fire head chef. Head chef is unemployed.

It is difficult to believe you can be as dumb as you seem. It's an act, right?
Uhh. What the fuck are you talking about. Seriously. I mean, do you even hear yourself?

I have to ask, did you go to college? If so, which one?
 

see4

Well-Known Member
Head chef decides to fire Bob and Sue. Nothing happens. Bob and Sue decide to fire head chef. Head chef is unemployed.

It is difficult to believe you can be as dumb as you seem. It's an act, right?
Head chef will never be able to fire Bob or Sue, he is not a proprietor of the business. If Bob or Sue decides to fire the Head Chef, yes you are indeed correct, he will then be unemployed. Thank you so much Captain Obvious for that insightful piece of information. What does any of that have to do with being a Democratically operated business and still being privately held.

I clearly demonstrated how a privately held business could be democratically operated.
You have clearly demonstrated you are, and always will be, sloppy seconds.


Derp Eeeeeeee Derpe Dooo.
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
If something is privately owned, in order to be privately owned the owner(s) would determine the use otherwise the ownership has been usurped and the business has ceased to be "private".
As mentioned already, this is so, so wrong.
 

see4

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I'm following you. Could you elaborate on this please?
I think I may have mentioned this already.

A privately held business can in fact be run by individuals other than the owners of said business. My example clearly expresses how that is possible. In fact, the majority of businesses are run by more than just the owner(s), and are still considered "privately held". Your statement was categorically false.
 
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