Dyna-Gro from Advance Nutrients

So after being out of commission for about 5 months I am finally getting back into doing my favorite thing in the whole world to do. You all can guess at what that is. I am forever banishing Advance Nutrients and going to give Dyna Gro a couple runs. I run hydro and after alot of reading Dyna Gro is my choice for a complete base nutrient without the need of multiple supplements to grow a healthy crop.

So a little background on my experience with Advance Nutrients for all you who are curious about the title. I have used AN nutes exclusively for 2 years and my overall experience has been fair at best. I can say I have grown some quality product with decent yields but I cant say that I have ever had a healthy crop from start to finish. There always seem to be a deficiency or over fertilization problem somewhere along the road. I have used the 3 part, Sensi and Connoisseur along with most of their supplements excluding of few of their outrageously priced beneficial products such as piranha and tarantula. I only ran 3 different strains perpetual so my grows were dialed in. I broke all of their nutrients down in order to find the proper ratios but could never find it. I realized I had to keep purchasing additives to correct this or that and it pissed me off when I realized this was the point lol. I was to deep and had to much time and money invested to switch nutrients during that time but now I am starting from scratch. I almost purchased the new Ph Perfect line but then I started thinking about how I got sucked in last time and I was NOT going down that road again.

The Strain:
As of now I am flowering some dirt plants that I took clones from to sex them out. They have been flowering for 8 days now and should be showing sex soon and then I can proceed with my rooted clones. The strain is supposedly a medical grade from Washington that has been grown by some old timers outdoors for years around here. It made it through the drought with no additional water so one thing for sure it is a strong breed. Not sure how the indica/sativa mix is yet. I havent snapped any pics of my current setup but I will as soon as they are sexed. For now I will give some pics of my AN grows.

Nutes:
Dyna Grow & Bloom, Magpro, KLN, Rhino Skin (Protek was out)


Equipment: All on hand but wont use both 1000w until enough plants are ready. Might throw a 400w MH in with the HPS to mix it up a bit. All was recently purchased from ebay, amazon, Lowes and Hydro store for around $1000.00 including all the little stuff you dont realize you need until after you spent all your money.

2 - 1000w magnetic HPS ballasts w/ eye hortilux bulbs (Flower)
2 - 400W MH ballasts with cheap bulbs (Veg)
1 - 4 bulb 32w 4' fixture, some T12s and cfls for cloning and early veg
Air Pumps, Stones and Air line
Oakton PTTester 35 (PH and PPM Combo) .7 conversion
Hana Ph cheapo

I have an open floor plan that I can make bigger or smaller in a few minutes so I think I will be experimenting with Ebb & Flow along with running coolers for dwc.
I have a 2'x3' tray, 396 gph submersible pump and Ebb fitting kit. I am not a big fan of rock wool and have a shit ton of hydroton so Im working a on a few ideas as we speak. Looking for simplicity and as little as maintenance as possible this go around and Ebb and Flow seems to offer that so Im gonna work into it but stick with what I know for now.

Well thats about it and I will get some updated pics in the next few days when I get stuff cleaned up and plants show sex. Here is a few pics of my previous grows using AN.

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I too am a long time AN user (5+ years) and have had great results running the 3-part pH-Perfect (non ph-Perfect before the new formula, every now and again I also use overdrive) and have switched to a local manufactured 3-part brand (copy of GH/AN 3-part) to try something else and they are 1/3 of the cost of everything else .

I see you like to grow trees! and that's a nicely trimmed piece of bud. Do you really think it was AN's fault you never had a healthy crop from start to finish?

You can blame AN for your issues but looking at some of your pics you have not dialed your grow in as much as you have perceived. A few issues I can see; plants are too big for the light/reflector, some burnt leaves, heat stress.

Tokemup said:

I can say I have grown some quality product with decent yields but I cant say that I have ever had a healthy crop from start to finish. There always seem to be a deficiency or over fertilization problem somewhere along the road.

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Tokemup said:

I have used the 3 part, Sensi and Connoisseur along with most of their supplements excluding of few of their outrageously priced beneficial products such as piranha and tarantula. I only ran 3 different strains perpetual so my grows were dialed in. I broke all of their nutrients down in order to find the proper ratios but could never find it.

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The statements above are obvious signs that you were never really dialed in!

I'm not saying AN nutrients did not cause you problems but until you dial in your grow switching nutrients will not solve your problems, I hope you have better luck with the Dyna-Gro.

regards,

I want to give credit to HomeBrewer, Fatman, Uncle Ben and many others for all their contributions and informative posts. I been around for awhile and want to try and give it back now.

Here a few tips regarding DWC that I have learned along the way.

- Bubble buckets for beginners can be a big pain in the ass once your roots start filling up. They may be easy and cheap to make but nute stability can become an issue given the low volume of water. Late Veg and Flower your plant will consume 1 gallon or more of water which is 1/4th to 1/3rd of your total volume of rez. You may experience ph swings, salt build up and Ppm fluctuations in these stages with a larger plant. Another alternative to the bubble buckets I found just as cheap and easy is using coolers. It allows for a bigger rez, less maintenance and insulation. You can either cut a hole in the cooler lid for your net pot or go to your local hardware store and get 1" - 1 1/2" foam sheets that work perfect for a lid. Just cut to size and cut out two holes(one for net pot and one to take samples, fill and drain from. I had a little $8 submersible pump I would drop in the hole and drain into 5 gallon buckets or nearby floor drain. A standard cooler held 8 gallons of rez water and could be left for 2-3 days before addback was needed. It allowed for longer times in between Rez changes, Nute stability and plenty of room for the roots to grow. I like to use my bubble buckets for Veg and transfer net pot and all to a cooler for flower by just pulling it straight up and out of the bubble bucket. Then feed the roots into the cooler hole and secure net pot. I always use sterile gloves when handling roots. You may damage some roots and have some floating in the rez but a fish net will take care of that. I have never had any issues with root rot, algae or diseases using coolers or igloo bubble buckets and never used any sterilization products either. Between grows I use a bleach to clean a sterilize all my coolers and never had a problem.

Dyna Grow is the way to go... I use only the bloom.mag-pro and pro tekt... lucas formula..you're gonna love it!

ru4r34l said:

I too am a long time AN user (5+ years) and have had great results running the 3-part pH-Perfect (non ph-Perfect before the new formula, every now and again I also use overdrive) and have switched to a local manufactured 3-part brand (copy of GH/AN 3-part) to try something else and they are 1/3 of the cost of everything else .

I see you like to grow trees! and that's a nicely trimmed piece of bud. Do you really think it was AN's fault you never had a healthy crop from start to finish?

You can blame AN for your issues but looking at some of your pics you have not dialed your grow in as much as you have perceived. A few issues I can see; plants are too big for the light/reflector, some burnt leaves, heat stress.




The statements above are obvious signs that you were never really dialed in!

I'm not saying AN nutrients did not cause you problems but until you dial in your grow switching nutrients will not solve your problems, I hope you have better luck with the Dyna-Gro.

regards,

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Some of those pics are when I first started and after that I used a scrog screen under a 1000w air cooled hood and my other room had 600w air cooled. That tree in the bucket was one I didnt have much time to tend to. I soon realized growing trees like that resulted in uneven light distribution which would cause the top of the plant to be in more demand of nutes than the lower under lit branches. I quickly learned how to maintain a proper grow room after a few runs lol. My ambient temps and rez temps were consistent with the scrog runs. I also believe a high light scrog grow will shows signs of deficiency more quickly and noticeably than most styles of growing. Trees are also more demanding when it comes to available nutes also in my opinion

I guess I may have not properly worded that. In my opinion I had it dialed in as far as nute to water uptake goes. Meaning my rez would start off at 1.4 ec and by the next day the plant consumed 1 gallon of water and the ec was still 1.4 along with Ph staying in range. I could let it go for 2 or 3 days and my EC would stay the same. I could do this with different supplements, changing base ratios and following AN's recommended application which gave me the worst results. Long story short either I was missing one of their supplements or AN didnt have everything my plants needed. Micro deficiencies in flower were common but if you try and correct them by giving them more 1-1 base then they would show signs of N toxicity. This is only my experience and I am not saying someone cant have better results. I have broken every bottle I own from AN down on Cannastats calculator and performed my own measurements in RO water so I knew exactly what was going into my rez and no matter how I changed things up I still had issues. This was consistent across three different strains so who knows. I seen alot of other AN users having the same issues as I was and never figuring it out so I was not alone.

My take on Advance Nutrient is if they provided a complete base then why would you want to go buy a shit ton of their supplements? Also they claim bigger yields with this and I believe its true to a point. Its a bigger yield compared to using only their base nutes because their incomplete and need those supplement to provide all the necessary elements in the proper amounts.

This isnt a AN bash by any means and since I have nothing to compare it to I cant say there is a better product out there. My goal has always been to achieve the best results possible out of my grows and I always blame myself before I blame the product but for me it always came back to the nutes. I may pick up the PH perfect line after my first run and do some side by sides. I am comfortable using AN products so who knows I may prove myself wrong.

Sir, I am talking from experience with soilless only but I found the PH-perfect Sensi line to be fantastic.. Not for the PH aspect but the fact it has fuvlic and humics, amino's and a surfactant. It works fine BY ITSELF. Everything is chelated, including the 4 forms of iron. It is a 2-1-2 ratio. I use bloom for both grow and bloom. In grow , I add some old GH micro 5-0-1 to get some more nitrate N in there. I have had great results. Give her a try. There are dudes on e-bay that sell nutes in 4 oz or 8 oz bottles so you don't have to commit. Also I have found a source that sells ph-perfect sensi for 14$/liter (buy by the gallon). Now in DWC I have no idea how it works. I do know it works much better than the old formula. I have tried DG and it did well also, but if you are sticking with DWC I would speculate the DG would do better.

Nice grow BTW: I never saw a bud with a whole-saw used for comparison before !! Is that what it took to saw your girl down? EPIC

patlpp said:

Sir, I am talking from experience with soilless only but I found the PH-perfect Sensi line to be fantastic.. Not for the PH aspect but the fact it has fuvlic and humics, amino's and a surfactant. It works fine BY ITSELF. Everything is chelated, including the 4 forms of iron. It is a 2-1-2 ratio. I use bloom for both grow and bloom. In grow , I add some old GH micro 5-0-1 to get some more nitrate N in there. I have had great results. Give her a try. There are dudes on e-bay that sell nutes in 4 oz or 8 oz bottles so you don't have to commit. Also I have found a source that sells ph-perfect sensi for 14$/liter (buy by the gallon). Now in DWC I have no idea how it works. I do know it works much better than the old formula. I have tried DG and it did well also, but if you are sticking with DWC I would speculate the DG would do better.

Nice grow BTW: I never saw a bud with a whole-saw used for comparison before !! Is that what it took to saw your girl down? EPIC

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Actually I did use the saws all to take down lol. I chopped a plant with atleast 60 tops in a scrog screen that I disappeared behind but I cant find it. Like I said AN can get you there for sure and the fault may of been on me.

I seen those sample bottles on ebay and was thinking about it. I actually bid and won the PH perfect Sensi grow and Connoisseur 1 gallon bottles for $150 total but the dude refunded me and said the bottles were damaged and leaked. I was pissed off after that so I started researching and decided I would try something else and see how I do. I have AN still on my mind but I am running on a budget at the moment and would want to purchase at-least 5 of their supplements so Im gonna hold off until everything is up and running. I have heard alot of good things about the PH perfect line being pretty cut and dry with the 1-2 base to additive as well as good results. Its their latest and greatest so its more fine tuned. I actually enjoy being interactive with the nutes and plant but for now I have to invest in the proper environment.

So if I decided to run AN PH perfect I could just get the bloom and use a bottle of the micro I have left over to supplement the N and I would be good to go. Do you rely on the B52, Big Bud and Overdrive also? At the end I would add more Part B in place of the Overdrive given its close to the same NPK with a little less Potassium with half of the PPM. I was trying to devise ways to use more base in place of supplements to match desired ppm and it worked well but the micros is where I had issues overcoming. I also ran it like it was recommended and same issues.

I had a theory that I wasnt supplying enough micros early flower/late veg and when the stretch stop my deficiencies would really start showing, then I would try and correct it but I was really only given it to much because it was too late therefore late flower I was overloaded on Nitrogen. Almost like I was one step behind and correcting when it was too late. I got to the point where I was feeding as much as the plant would uptake (Kiss Method) but I always ended up with problems after the stretch stopped. Its even possible it wasnt a deficiency but an excess of another element locking out my micros but I never did figure it out but I tried real hard lol. To some my problems may of been minor but to me I felt it was keeping me from achieving maximum yield potential.

You can fault AN for your problems but looking at some of your photos you have not called your develop in as much as you have recognized. A few problems I can see; vegetation are too big for the light/reflector, some burnt off results in, warm pressure.

Id have to also agree with the previous posters.. personally ive never bought into the expensive nute companies so i cant comment on AN, but i switched to Dyna simply because it seems to be the superior nute for the price point, not everyone can hock up 100-200 on nutes for a single grow especially when you grow for personal use. I'm sure ull be fine with dyna there's plenty of people here who use dyna with good results.

Wow what dicks around here! I stated previously that some of those plants were from when I first started and none of them are from my last grows and how can you tell shit with those shitty pictures lol.

I guess scoobydoo dont like the people I cited and if the nutes have a problem wont your plants have a problem? I have had some almost perfect runs but only when I tweaked AN's line alot.

I believe I also pointed out that this was only my experience and my opinion on the matter so why is everyone got their panties in a bunch. I don't even have 20 post so who gonna take me seriously?

Regardless of what some may think I am going to keep on going and hopefully further my knowledge and others. That is the point right?

I like how all the AN employees come on your thread and try and talk you back into using AN by talking shit on your grow. Go try dyna and let us know your results. that is what is gonna be your best test.
then the paranoid people who think your a puppet account, but then call you a rookie. oMG i am LMFAO

I have had some bouts with patlpp in the past and appreciate his advice along with the constructive criticism. He stands behind the PH perfect line and I would bet rightfully so. If anyone wants some good recipes for AN's Sensi or Connoisseur line with or without supplements and RO water I am more than happy to give them. I can grow some nice shit with AN and would be comfortable using them again if I had the time and money but I don't. For me its a great opportunity to use another line that others have had success with to see if I can improve.

So here is a cheap diy bubble cloner. It holds about 2 gallons of water and a small 3-5 watt air pump with 2 air stones is perfect. Just place your clones in the net pot with the stems sticking out the bottom a 1/4" - 1/2" and surround with hydroton (clay pebbles). I like it because you only need 2 gallons of water and dont have to waste rooting solution for 4 -8 clones. After clones are rooted simply place the 2" net basket into a 6" net basket with the bottom layered with hydroton and surround. Simple, cheap and easy to make. I taped tote with aluminum tape to make it light proof and cut holes with snips. There is usually a small hole on each handle to run your air line into tote.

I will be using KLN rooting solution but previously I used No Shock at 2ml/liter or 8mls/gal with great success rates. With the No Shock I would mix B52 and Cal/Mag after they rooted with great results as well. One of those 65 w CFL's was all I used to root and get to the vegetative stage.

Another alternative to using net pots is drill 1/2" holes (as many as you want) and use the bottom of white Styrofoam cups to hold the clones. Just poke holes through the center of the styrofoam and it support clones great. I have a 35 sight tote cloner using this method.

A piece of advice with Dyna-Gro... I just finished my first harvest with it and had my best harvest to date...
2 wks into my second run with DG I started having ph/lockout/salt buildup issues...
I take a look at my DGro bottles and they are full of sludgy crystals. I cannot be absolutely positive that this was the cause, but I still don't like to see piles of crystals in the bottle.
It is possible that I just gave them too much N. I have been running higher N than I see anyone else doing.

So, my advice is to Shake the bottles VERY well, from first to last use... More aggressive shaking than you normally would.

I did have the best harvest I have ever had before though. It was rad. I did over 1lb per 600w.

I know there are newbies on here clearing 1gpw ........ but for me, clearing 1lb per 600 hps was a first.

HeartlandHank said:

A piece of advice with Dyna-Gro... I just finished my first harvest with it and had my best harvest to date...
2 wks into my second run with DG I started having ph/lockout/salt buildup issues...
I take a look at my DGro bottles and they are full of sludgy crystals. I cannot be absolutely positive that this was the cause, but I still don't like to see piles of crystals in the bottle.
It is possible that I just gave them too much N. I have been running higher N than I see anyone else doing.

So, my advice is to Shake the bottles VERY well, from first to last use... More aggressive shaking than you normally would.

I did have the best harvest I have ever had before though. It was rad. I did over 1lb per 600w.

I know there are newbies on here clearing 1gpw ........ but for me, clearing 1lb per 600 hps was a first.

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Thats consistent from all I have read about dyna. Easy to use and great yields. 1lb under a 600....cant ask for much more than that! I noticed some posting over gpw are runnin sativas with 10-14 wk flowering time. I have never went over 9 wks so in my opinion that calculation isnt universal. I would like to see 2lbs per 1000w runnin a 8 week strain.

I had issues with micro and overdrive getting stringy shit in it so I imagine crystals would have an effect on the nutes being over concetrated in that form hint the burn. I will def make sure to shake the shit out of it and watch out for that. Did you use any bloom in your veg cycle?

Tokemup said:

Regardless of what some may think I am going to keep on going and hopefully further my knowledge and others. That is the point right?

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Dont worry about AN trolls, they always bashing and think all rookies only use dyna gro. It kind of not helping people to have a best medicine.

I believe Dyna Gro is the best shizz ! they re complete 16 element minerals and plus Pro Tekt (si), for right price !

keep doing what you do...you wont be disappoint with DG thats for sure. Thats way you will have the best meds.

Peace

My buddy had some issues with floranovabloom and contacted a rep about it. The Rep denied that the novabloom would have anything growing in the bottle unless it was really old due to the low PH and asked for the numbers off the bottle. Well the rep quickly replied and said that bottle is 3 years old but my buddy had only purchased it 3 weeks prior to that from local hydro store. My guess is either store doesnt sell that much and its been sitting or the store is buying old stock for dirt cheap. Same store I had issues with the stringy stuff. Needless to say I dont go there anymore.