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dam612

dam612

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Just a quick q here. Runnning full EJ reg. I know plants are said to be flushed last 2weeks, but have been told that with organic products a flush isnt necessary, i dont believe it. Although EJ claims to be all organic i still feel like the plants need that starvation period to redirect energy to buds. Should i not flush or flush with just h20 and molasses?? first time all organic so just checking
 
Mr.Therapy Man

Mr.Therapy Man

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I flush two weeks bro with anything,I use pure blend pro and earth juice products.I just use plain old water but mollasses is also good.The new hi brix mollasses from earth juice is what Ive been thinking about trying,Im just not so sure you need it,I pull off some fantastic grows without it !!!!!!!!
 
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madodah

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dam612 said:
Just a quick q here. Runnning full EJ reg. I know plants are said to be flushed last 2weeks, but have been told that with organic products a flush isnt necessary, i dont believe it. Although EJ claims to be all organic i still feel like the plants need that starvation period to redirect energy to buds. Should i not flush or flush with just h20 and molasses?? first time all organic so just checking
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If you're using organic components why would you want to flush? The grow medium has everything your plants require, including the flowers, and starving them merely restricts their ability to draw on those resources. Flushing is a mental hangover from hydro growers attempting to rid their plants of chemical taste.
 
Mr.Therapy Man

Mr.Therapy Man

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madodah said:
If you're using organic components why would you want to flush? The grow medium has everything your plants require, including the flowers, and starving them merely restricts their ability to draw on those resources. Flushing is a mental hangover from hydro growers attempting to rid their plants of chemical taste.
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I want the nitrogen and phosphorous out of my smoke,ive had smoke I did not have time to flush and its harsh and damn sure not as tasty.
 
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Wetdog

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madodah said:
If you're using organic components why would you want to flush? The grow medium has everything your plants require, including the flowers, and starving them merely restricts their ability to draw on those resources. Flushing is a mental hangover from hydro growers attempting to rid their plants of chemical taste.
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That's pretty much it. :clap::clap::clap:

But, if you don't believe it like dam612 or, if it makes you sleep better at night, then flush to your hearts content.

A proper cure will do more for the taste than any flush or non flush.

Wet
 
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madodah

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Mr.Therapy Man said:
I want the nitrogen and phosphorous out of my smoke,ive had smoke I did not have time to flush and its harsh and damn sure not as tasty.
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That's why formulating a grow medium with everything a plant needs in it for its life cycle without nutrient supplementation is important.

Tomatoes have been scientifically tested to death for taste and in every case flavor is adversely affected by mostly unnecessary nutrient supplementation. Tomatoes grown in an organic medium where microbes fulfill plant nutrient requirements (without adding the latest so-called miracle supplementation) have no taste residue from 'forced' feeding. Flushing over controlled periods of time had little to no affect on taste when supplementary nutrients were used as fertilizers.

Tobacco is also an interesting study of nutrient supplementation affect on taste.

Weed's pretty much the same way. Though proper curing (three months minimum, six is better and a year is great) purges the sugar and chlorophyll out of buds and the harsh taste often attributed to other substances.
 
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madodah

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Wetdog said:
That's pretty much it. :clap::clap::clap:

But, if you don't believe it like dam612 or, if it makes you sleep better at night, then flush to your hearts content.

A proper cure will do more for the taste than any flush or non flush.

Wet
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You beat me to it with the cure comment. Though from what I can gather few boutique growers (1-2 plants) have enough of a harvest to spend any time curing.
 
dam612

dam612

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Hmm mixed comments...kinda leaning toward maddodah n wetdog. Thanks for the input guys, im prb not going to flush from what im getting here, but will take extra care in the cure process.
 
Mr.Therapy Man

Mr.Therapy Man

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madodah said:
That's why formulating a grow medium with everything a plant needs in it for its life cycle without nutrient supplementation is important.

Tomatoes have been scientifically tested to death for taste and in every case flavor is adversely affected by mostly unnecessary nutrient supplementation. Tomatoes grown in an organic medium where microbes fulfill plant nutrient requirements (without adding the latest so-called miracle supplementation) have no taste residue from 'forced' feeding. Flushing over controlled periods of time had little to no affect on taste when supplementary nutrients were used as fertilizers.

Tobacco is also an interesting study of nutrient supplementation affect on taste.

Weed's pretty much the same way. Though proper curing (three months minimum, six is better and a year is great) purges the sugar and chlorophyll out of buds and the harsh taste often attributed to other substances.
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If you listen to these two no growing kids,you wont like your smoke,flush at least a week bro..I cant find any grows on iether of these two jokers giveing you advise...peace
 
dam612

dam612

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hmmmm but its 2 against one, lol i dont know, need some more input from diff ppl. Do u grow hydro/organic?
 
dam612

dam612

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True good looks therapy man didn't even think of checking their grows out. I'll rep ya for this one and flush
 
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madodah

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Mr.Therapy Man said:
If you listen to these two no growing kids,you wont like your smoke,flush at least a week bro..I cant find any grows on iether of these two jokers giveing you advise...peace
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My first grow was in 1981 and even then I could spell.

Here's 2010

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2010 as of last week in 25 gallon Smart Pots

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No supplementary 'nutes'. One AACT tea to date. Local indica strain that's been grown here since the '80s.
 
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madodah

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Mr.Therapy Man said:
I dont care how long you say you have been at it,you should know that inside grass needs to be flushed if your that old.
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I'm familiar with the reasoning to flush chemical supplements from hydro, indoor soiless efforts and must exclude organic grows from your indoor generalization. While it may be difficult for some to understand, the only visable difference between outdoor and indoor growing is general confinement for indoor growing. Not too many one pounders grown indoors.

Indoor organic container growing isn't that much different from outdoor in-ground or container growing. Grow medium, light and water. If the grow medium is prepared in a manner that sustains an annual flowering plant throughout its brief life cycle, providing adequate water and dealing with nature's threats are the only outdoor chores until harvest. Why would anyone flush a grow medium providing that peace of mind?

I'm attracted to the extra effort to grow the finest buds I can. That's the reason I'm doing AACT teas to supplement microbe activity in my grow medium. Microbes deliver processed decomposed nutrients to the plants in exchange for carbon. Before becoming hooked on current organic growing techniques I successfully grew organically but my 'extra' was molasses during the flower cycle.

Do what you want but I have to question why anyone would want to follow a feeding schedule that exists only to devour time and money when more efficient options are available. There are posters on every grow forum who grow organic weed indoors, but they're far outnumbered by growers who have limited knowledge of what actually transpires between the grow medium, sun and water. There are so many companies vying for that easy money that organics are a minor market share. But rapidly growing share as organics bring top dollar in any internal consumption market.

My first indoor grow was in a San Francisco basement. Dirt, baked in the oven at 400° for 30 minutes mixed with steer manure was the grow medium, florescent lights and paranoia. Crummy weed by today's standards, but far superior to buying three fingers of Mexican brick weed and I didn't hang with the music crowd that took everything Mendocino could produce. Thanks to science, people have learned the earth is not flat.
 
Mr.Therapy Man

Mr.Therapy Man

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madodah said:
I'm familiar with the reasoning to flush chemical supplements from hydro, indoor soiless efforts and must exclude organic grows from your indoor generalization. While it may be difficult for some to understand, the only visable difference between outdoor and indoor growing is general confinement for indoor growing. Not too many one pounders grown indoors.

Indoor organic container growing isn't that much different from outdoor in-ground or container growing. Grow medium, light and water. If the grow medium is prepared in a manner that sustains an annual flowering plant throughout its brief life cycle, providing adequate water and dealing with nature's threats are the only outdoor chores until harvest. Why would anyone flush a grow medium providing that peace of mind?

I'm attracted to the extra effort to grow the finest buds I can. That's the reason I'm doing AACT teas to supplement microbe activity in my grow medium. Microbes deliver processed decomposed nutrients to the plants in exchange for carbon. Before becoming hooked on current organic growing techniques I successfully grew organically but my 'extra' was molasses during the flower cycle.

Do what you want but I have to question why anyone would want to follow a feeding schedule that exists only to devour time and money when more efficient options are available. There are posters on every grow forum who grow organic weed indoors, but they're far outnumbered by growers who have limited knowledge of what actually transpires between the grow medium, sun and water. There are so many companies vying for that easy money that organics are a minor market share. But rapidly growing share as organics bring top dollar in any internal consumption market.

My first indoor grow was in a San Francisco basement. Dirt, baked in the oven at 400° for 30 minutes mixed with steer manure was the grow medium, florescent lights and paranoia. Crummy weed by today's standards, but far superior to buying three fingers of Mexican brick weed and I didn't hang with the music crowd that took everything Mendocino could produce. Thanks to science, people have learned the earth is not flat.
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I am glad Im not smokeing your snap,crackle and pop weed.I bet your smoke taste like nutes and you dont even know it!!!
 
tomalock

tomalock

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Mr.Therapy Man said:
I am glad Im not smokeing your snap,crackle and pop weed.I bet your smoke taste like nutes and you dont even know it!!!
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I will have to say I use organic outside to grow and have now going on over 35 years and never had I had any bad taste once it is cured properly, the snap, crackle, pop comes from insects eggs and/or dead bodies from inside the buds "most of the time". I have used the same recipe for inside grow and never had a bad taste.
I might add I have never flushed, it is the "processed nutrients"/chemicals you use, pure organics do not leave an aftertaste.
 

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