Emerald Triangl products owners respond about carcinogens

jackbog

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I recently email Emrald Triangle about there products Snow Storm Gravity Bushmaster and others haveing carcinogens in them and that they must be bad if there not allowed in CA/OR this is what he said and i asked him if i could copy and past and he said please do i found this info to be helpful if all is true, like he said we probably drink more of it in our water then we would give to our plants. Let me know how everyone feels about this.

Sorry for the late reply but I was on vacation. The state of California ordered us to stop selling Gravity and BushMaster because they were not properly registered. Oregon had the same issue with the registration but allowed us to continue selling it until our registration expired in December. It was all a labeling issue and were are in the process of correcting it. The products WILL be back on the market next year. All the stories about toxic or carcinogenic ingredients are absolute false. The ingredient that is supposed to be dangerous, paclobutrazol, is not carcinogenic nor has it ever been considered as a possible carcinogen. It's used on food crops all over the world. In fact, gibberellic acid and paclobutrazol are the 2 most common plant growth regulators used on food crops in Europe. About 75% of the apple crop in the UK is sprayed with Paclo, most of the cherry crop in Spain is sprayed with Paclo. Spain, by the way, is the largest grower of cherries in Europe. Virtually all nut trees and citrus trees in Europe are allowed to be sprayed with Paclo. The standards for spraying crops with PGR's are as high there as they are here. The most difficult country in the world to license a product for use on food crops is Japan and they allow Paclo on Apples and Pears as does Australia. Since the agencies which are responsible for evaluating food safety in major civilized countries have given it the okay, I wouldn't be concerned about it being dangerous. As a matter of fact, the state of Vermont has set a limit for Paclo in drinking water. The limit is 455 parts per Billion. If you mix Gravity according to the instructions the solution contains 125 parts per Billion. That means that, theoretically, you could drink the stuff you're putting on your plants and be well under the limit. Of course the kelp would probably give you the shits-- but that's another issue. I hope I've answered your questions. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Phillip Leavitt, owner Emerald Triangle
 

perdrick l. hapley

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I still wouldnt drink it. What the fuck is it in the drinking water for ?
who knows. i mean there are also standards (by weight) about how much rat shit and bug carcasses can be in your cereal. and those people who have fracking ops near their houses who can light their tap water on fire. lots of fucked up shit in our food and water.

as for this palco stuff i'm not sure, the owner of the company who wants to sell you his product makes a pretty convincing case that it's fine and wikipedia says it's commonly used to shorten internodal distance, enhance root development, cause early fruiting, and reduce frost sensitivity in plants like tomatoes sooooooo idk i guess i wouldn't give the whole carcinogen thing too much merit.
 

Mr. Bubble

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can't wait for Gravity to be available again in Cali... I'm trying Big Swell in the meantime just looking for something that might do the trick and I like Aurora Innovations products (even though I know they catch some flack for a few reasons)
 

jackbog

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I like what everybody has to say. I think everone has a very valid point too. My guess is that its probably no horrible to use but not really good to use either.
 

xxEMOxx

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I have run Gravity and Bushmaster for a couple years now.

No ill effects, although truth be told there was a article on icmag awhile back and then I believe repeated on sublbc as well on how to make ur clones or gravity, bushmaster, and snow storm ultra.

They contain pretty much mostly organic stuff. But for some reason I will still swear by Gravity for making my buds much hairer as well as also making them alot "tighter"
 

jackbog

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I have run Gravity and Bushmaster for a couple years now.

No ill effects, although truth be told there was a article on icmag awhile back and then I believe repeated on sublbc as well on how to make ur clones or gravity, bushmaster, and snow storm ultra.

They contain pretty much mostly organic stuff. But for some reason I will still swear by Gravity for making my buds much hairer as well as also making them alot "tighter"
I would like to check that out ill do a little searching. If you know a link please post. It sounds pretty cool to make your own.
 

eDude

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That's cool that he got back to you.

But...

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/paclobut.pdf

TOXICOLOGYBased on the currently available toxicity information, DPR concluded that paclobutrazol causes
adverse effects on liver function and developmental effects in rodents. DPR has further concluded that, in
the absence of additional data to the contrary, paclobutrazol has the potential to cause similar effects in
humans.
It's not poison that is going to make you drop dead right now but.. over the years prolonged exposure might not the best thing for you. Not just you as the smoker but you as the guy that mixes it and sprays it. One time dose of might not be a big deal but ask him if you drank a small portion everyday for two or more years.. Also, he says all over the world.. but what about the USA? ;)


Best practice and for safety I pass on using products like this
 

jackbog

Active Member
That's cool that he got back to you.


But...
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/paclobut.pdf



It's not poison that is going to make you drop dead right now but.. over the years prolonged exposure might not the best thing for you. Not just you as the smoker but you as the guy that mixes it and sprays it. One time dose of might not be a big deal but ask him if you drank a small portion everyday for two or more years.. Also, he says all over the world.. but what about the USA? ;)


Best practice and for safety I pass on using products like this
Very true i know what you mean why even take the risk.
 

xxEMOxx

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Just so you know food production laws in Europe and Japan are much stricter then the USA F.D.A. rules, actually states in the USA play a much larger role in labeling and allowed uses of ferts on food crops.

Also most of Europe is non-GMO where the USA and Canada are the 2 largest producers of gmo crops.

Jack..... look up triacontanol which is made from alfalfa meal and is the primary ingredient in snow storm ultra. Also I know that Gravity is a Kelp Based product but not exactly sure whats in it.... I think it was either someone on icmag or thcfarmer that was talking about how to make that one at home as well.
 

jackbog

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Just so you know food production laws in Europe and Japan are much stricter then the USA F.D.A. rules, actually states in the USA play a much larger role in labeling and allowed uses of ferts on food crops.

Also most of Europe is non-GMO where the USA and Canada are the 2 largest producers of gmo crops.

Jack..... look up triacontanol which is made from alfalfa meal and is the primary ingredient in snow storm ultra. Also I know that Gravity is a Kelp Based product but not exactly sure whats in it.... I think it was either someone on icmag or thcfarmer that was talking about how to make that one at home as well.
I will look that up because if that is the main ingredient that why not just use that and i cant stand GMO. Its crazy what we do to foods.
 

|B3RNY|

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Lol, people will smoke cigarettes with 200+ different carcinogens KNOWN to cause cancer but are worried about carcinogens in their plant food that less than 500 parts per billion; wtf. I mean, I have no idea if anyone here smokes cigarettes or not but that's just funny to me. There's also bleach and fluoride in drinking water; when you're talking parts per billion (especially when lower than 500), it would have to have a very 'potent' toxicity to hurt a fly, I would think anyways. I've never used any of their products but this is an interesting thread.
 

thebfd253

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Are Emerald Triangle Products and EMT Seeds the same company? not sure i would want their genetics if this is how they do business...
 

|B3RNY|

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Are Emerald Triangle Products and EMT Seeds the same company? not sure i would want their genetics if this is how they do business...
I was just wondering that myself, I'm finding many, many companies listed as "Emerald Triangle" such and such. I'm not sure myself, though, the ET Seed Co. is a "collective" of 7 or 8 breeders. They offer legit genetics, good stuff IMO but I wouldn't go for any of their feminized stuff.

"Quality and stability. Our passion is focused on providing meticulous care and quality for our strains and to ensure genetic stability through using natures way, meaning we refuse to discount the role of a male chromosome in our breeding techniques and gene pool. We recognize the fact that 80% of the European market is femi, so we don't disregard it completely....BUT we still stand to the fact that regular breeding maintains long term stability...and that's what you can expect from us."

I copy/pasted that from their 'about me' page on their site.. this makes me respect them a bit more but makes me tink they probably don't put as much effort into their feminized releases (though I could be wrong.) I've only ever grown their Trinity Kush, I was very pleased with the general results but it lacked strong flavor.
That's very off topic but I thought I'd throw that in there so they don't get brought down with ET Nutrients (unless they are indeed the same company but I honestly believe they're 2 different groups of cats.)
 

jackbog

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why cant you stand GMO? And how are oganic foods "better"?
Its not really gmo its more about what some companies put in our foods. Organic foods are grown with only what the earth has provided not with what chemicals man can make.
 

jackbog

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The reason i started this thread is because i was using snow storm and crystal burst witch did a outstanding job but i did not want to use it if it was bad for me or to smoke. So what does everyone think use it or not?
 
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