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vertise

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So i got to admit i am not a fan of the injustice that the court and law enforcement agencies in the usa are based upon but once pot is legal within the usa i have a overwhelming desire to go into the law enforcement occupation ultimately DEA. Yes yes bash the idea but pot is one thing but throughout my life drugs like meth crack and heroin have ruined some of my friends. Only some but some is to many. I know that pot is illegal as of now but once its legal i will be changing occupations.
 

tebor

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Prohibition does NOT work.

There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop the use of these substances.

You obviously dont respect the constitution. Anyone that supports the restriction of personal freedom is Un American, whether they know it or not.

Read my sig.
 

Iron Lion Zion

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So i got to admit i am not a fan of the injustice that the court and law enforcement agencies in the usa are based upon but once pot is legal within the usa i have a overwhelming desire to go into the law enforcement occupation ultimately DEA. Yes yes bash the idea but pot is one thing but throughout my life drugs like meth crack and heroin have ruined some of my friends. Only some but some is to many. I know that pot is illegal as of now but once its legal i will be changing occupations.
I dunno if the DEA will accept 70 year olds or corpses...
Just saying, you are going to be waiting a loooooong time.:-(
 

vertise

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irion lion i agree but that other jackass who said it unamerican is dumb. What about our military or other laws that restrict us from that kind of destructive freedom. I mean that like saying why cant i drive drunk....why cant i smoke meth if i am pregnant.....Why cant i do what i want just because its a freedom according to some....I should be allowed to do whatever i want cause i am free. that is not a free willed democratic person that is just ignorance. People need limitations because when you start talking about substances that alternate ones behavior you are taking away there freedom. Things that alter ones desires and inhibitions on a constant basis that chemically alters them to a state of dependence is not freedom
 

vertise

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also you can limit the use of life changing substances. I dont want to be a victim of a drunk driver so should i blame a cop who pulls over and arrests a drunk that 5 minutes later could have run me over. no its not a cure its prevention
 

tebor

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irion lion i agree but that other jackass who said it unamerican is dumb. What about our military or other laws that restrict us from that kind of destructive freedom. I mean that like saying why cant i drive drunk....why cant i smoke meth if i am pregnant.....Why cant i do what i want just because its a freedom according to some....I should be allowed to do whatever i want cause i am free. that is not a free willed democratic person that is just ignorance. People need limitations because when you start talking about substances that alternate ones behavior you are taking away there freedom. Things that alter ones desires and inhibitions on a constant basis that chemically alters them to a state of dependence is not freedom
I'm dumb? Thanks for the insult.

You can't drive drunk or smoke meth while pregnant because it threatens others than yourself. Smoking meth or shooting heroin only harms ones self. Your argument is flawed.
 

tebor

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I dont need the government to tell me what I can put in my own body. and for thousands of years of human history, no government did. And we did just fine.

you work for the party, I'll just be a prole.
 

vertise

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if its legal what stops someone from shooting up while pregnant nothing but there own free will. But when you deal with a substance that prevents free will you take away freedom. Heroin and meth are some of the most addictive substances out there.
 

vertise

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my argument is not flawed just subject to opinion. People dont smoke crack cause its legal and they say hey i can stop when i want its a addictive substance much more than most think. Allowing it to flow freely and infect people is wrong.
 

vertise

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Also you quote or whatever at the bottom of your posts is flawed. Why make murder illegal if you cant control it. Or rape or anything out there. The reason is not cause of control but for prevention and punishment for those who commit such actions
 

vertise

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exactly but the consequences prevent that. past punishments. and the possibility of jail and other costs prevents that. cant stop everything but as the saying goes "prevention is the best cure"
 

vertise

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thats like saying what stops me from killing someone who pisses me off.......Um i would think the taking away of my freedom
 

TwinTigerz

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thats like saying what stops me from killing someone who pisses me off.......Um i would think the taking away of my freedom
well in that case you missed the point entirely.

what should stop you is the moral civilized high ground, not punishment.

your arguement is flawed, if I was to go out get crack and smoke it, I wouldnt be caught chances are less then weed, but why dont I? moral civilized high ground, you have to make choices whats morally acceptable.

Speaking as someone whos put someone on a breathing machine before when I was younger and more reckless with less moral fiber, I didnt get caught for that, so punishment does not deter as police are largely incompetant, if a criminal is even semi intelligent its hard to be caught, it has to come from moral fiber instilled in people.

I am not saying one way or the other though, my biggest problem with the DEA is money being spent on hunting and destroying weed which draws funds from meth, heroin, the hard stuff which does destroy lives.

Weed is like a product for the DEA, say they are running a restraunt, Weed is the cheap hamburger easy to produce, put infront of you and satisfy the consumer, people who want to see any action on the war on drugs.

Join the DEA and you will be arresting nothing but pot smokers and growers 90% of the time.
 

tebor

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Show me a link that supports prohibition lowering drug use.
You can not. It has had the opposite effect.

If all drugs were legalized, use would not increase.
Education not incarceration.

Drug use has increased since the War on Drugs began. And is responsible for most of America's violence. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1887488,00.html

if its legal what stops someone from shooting up while pregnant
Nothing is to stop them from shooting. being illegal doesnt stop it from happening.
treating addiction as a sickness instead of a crime would help to prevent it though.

The threat of prison does not lower drug use. Especailly since the same drugs are available in our corrupt prison system. LINK - http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/junk_in_the_joint.html link http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/four1.html

thats like saying what stops me from killing someone who pisses me off.......Um i would think the taking away of my freedom
Murdering someone and putting a substance in your body can not be compared. It is illogical. It is a red herring. It has absolutely nothing to do with the debate.
 

vertise

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punishment stops most . Also yes morals stop some but not all why allow it when punishment would stop more.
 

vertise

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its not flawed your leaving it to human nature and human nature throughout history has been violent. Its very comparable. WHy should my morals stop me from shooting someone in the head. What even makes morals valid. Rules and laws. Just like history morals are subject to the rule and laws put forth.
 

vertise

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and as for your issues as a child...hence the word a child you are not as knowing at a young age as someone who is older. Hence the laws that govern minors from engaging in underage drinking driving etc. Those laws are put into place to disrupt most destructive behaviors for both the young and old. Obviously you saying that you put someone on life support as a minor is a ill defense. I never did as a child, not because of morals but because i knew the consequences based on rules and laws. I gained those ideas not because i was born with them but because i knew KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES.
 
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