Evolution Or God?

mismos00

Well-Known Member
If there was a God he/she/it wouldn't have allowed his/her/its name to be distorted and abused such that it makes thoughtful people unable to believe in such a fantastic idea.

Not to mention the amount of suffering in the world (topic for another thread). If there is a super magic being always watching us, even if he/she/it had these amazing magical powers and even created us... doesn't mean he/she/it is good, or a God, I mean, just look around you. He/she/it would have a lot of explaining to do before I would call him/she/it God.

I think some people just want to believe in magic really bad... and I imagine it just comes natural to imaginitive people.


Mr. Deity and the Evil...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzf8q9QHfhI
 
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PadawanBater

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Prove to me there is no God. Just prove it . Prove to me also, if you can, there is no spirit or soul. Prove it.

I'm not required to prove shit to anyone. I can't prove something that does not exist... does not exist. Just like I can't prove green monkeys living on Pluto, or dwarfs that live at the bottom of the ocean don't exist...

You are making the claim, so it's your responsibility to prove it is real.

Also, howbout defining God, Spirit, or Soul first. I bet you can't even do that one (let alone prove the shit!)
 
Step 1:
1) History written ahead of time is proof of God. It also creates the foundation for true prohecy. Which must be viewed by evident historical records and fulfilment.

2) Anthropology Science (study of humanity and social cultures) confirms facts written in the history and manuscripts throughout time.

3) Regarding the Bible;
a) Ancient history supports the Bible's accuracy.
b) The Gospels provide reliable accounts of Jesus as well as countless other documents of the day. There is actually more recorded proof of the life of Christ than that Julius Ceaser ever even exsisted.
c) Archaeology Science backs up Biblical accounts. They are being uncovered each and every year.
d) Textual scholarship confirms the Bible.
e) The Bible is true to it's original form because:
.1)we have such a hugh number of MSS copies, over 24,000.
.2) these copies agree with each other 99.5%.
.3) The Bible's textual integrity is more certain than that of Plato's writtings and Homer's Illad.
f) History written ahead of time is proof the Bible is not a product of man.
g) In contrast, the book of mormon: archaeology has repeatedly failed to substantiate the book's claims of cities, persons,names or places mentioned.
h) From a historical and legal perpective, if enough eyewitnesses are alive when the the facts are published, it's can be fairly well established the vaidity of a secular event. (see 1 Cor 15.6)
i) Anthropology Science (study of humanity and social cultures) confirms the Bible.

Complexity, order and information point to the existence of God. The geological features we see today verify the claim that there was a world-wide flood. The fulfilled prophecies validate the claim that the Bible is the Word of God.

An eternal God is the only plausible idea. If God is eternal, then He was not created. If God doesn't exist, you have a serious infinite regression problem.

Think before claiming there is no proof. There are no valid arguments for the claim that atheism is true, so carefully consider your position. You can be an atheist if you wish, but you have to accept that position in spite of the lack of logic and evidence. That leaves you with no room to criticize beliefs that can be defended with logic and science.

So you are asking me to prove the God I believe (God of the Bible) without the Bible right? and not why I believe in God (as in general)?

Okay according to the "Cosmological Argument", everything that has a beginning has a cause, and therefore created. Science has stated that Universe begun during the Big Bang and therefore it is created.

Time, according to physics also has a beginning, therefore it must have cause, and therefore it is created. So basically we can say, God created these things. And therefore you'd like to conclude, then God must also have been created, right?

But Science cannot prove that God has a beginning, just like you cannot prove God's existence. If you take this statement as invalid, then your statement that says God does not exist will also not be valid.
If you take my statement as maybe valid, then your side of the argument will also be maybe valid, but both of them cannot be true inclusive of each other, right?

Okay. According to the Mathematical Argument,

the chance of the Big Bang x the chance of the 4 dimensions as our dimensions x the chance of our Law of Physics being in place of infinite number of other kinds of Law of Physics x the chance of the Earth being a habitable planet x the chance of intelligent life on this particular planet = 1/1x10^infinity, which if calculated with the limits method will equal to 0.

Therefore, by Mathematics, there is no chance that all these things happens by chance.

Everything has to be in the right conditions to be in working and functioning as it is right now. Therefore, by these two arguments and many others (Do you really want me to elaborate on that?), there must be an intelligent design, that is a god or gods.

Edited for space and time.
 
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PadawanBater

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Step 1:
1) History written ahead of time is proof of God. It also creates the foundation for true prohecy. Which must be viewed by evident historical records and fulfilment.

2) Anthropology Science (study of humanity and social cultures) confirms facts written in the history and manuscripts throughout time.

3) Regarding the Bible;
a) Ancient history supports the Bible's accuracy.
b) The Gospels provide reliable accounts of Jesus as well as countless other documents of the day. There is actually more recorded proof of the life of Christ than that Julius Ceaser ever even exsisted.
c) Archaeology Science backs up Biblical accounts. They are being uncovered each and every year.
d) Textual scholarship confirms the Bible.
e) The Bible is true to it's original form because:
.1)we have such a hugh number of MSS copies, over 24,000.
.2) these copies agree with each other 99.5%.
.3) The Bible's textual integrity is more certain than that of Plato's writtings and Homer's Illad.
f) History written ahead of time is proof the Bible is not a product of man.
g) In contrast, the book of mormon: archaeology has repeatedly failed to substantiate the book's claims of cities, persons,names or places mentioned.
h) From a historical and legal perpective, if enough eyewitnesses are alive when the the facts are published, it's can be fairly well established the vaidity of a secular event. (see 1 Cor 15.6)
i) Anthropology Science (study of humanity and social cultures) confirms the Bible.

Complexity, order and information point to the existence of God. The geological features we see today verify the claim that there was a world-wide flood. The fulfilled prophecies validate the claim that the Bible is the Word of God.

An eternal God is the only plausible idea. If God is eternal, then He was not created. If God doesn't exist, you have a serious infinite regression problem.

Think before claiming there is no proof. There are no valid arguments for the claim that atheism is true, so carefully consider your position. You can be an atheist if you wish, but you have to accept that position in spite of the lack of logic and evidence. That leaves you with no room to criticize beliefs that can be defended with logic and science.

So you are asking me to prove the God I believe (God of the Bible) without the Bible right? and not why I believe in God (as in general)?

Okay according to the "Cosmological Argument", everything that has a beginning has a cause, and therefore created. Science has stated that Universe begun during the Big Bang and therefore it is created.

Time, according to physics also has a beginning, therefore it must have cause, and therefore it is created. So basically we can say, God created these things. And therefore you'd like to conclude, then God must also have been created, right?

But Science cannot prove that God has a beginning, just like you cannot prove God's existence. If you take this statement as invalid, then your statement that says God does not exist will also not be valid.
If you take my statement as maybe valid, then your side of the argument will also be maybe valid, but both of them cannot be true inclusive of each other, right?

Okay. According to the Mathematical Argument,

the chance of the Big Bang x the chance of the 4 dimensions as our dimensions x the chance of our Law of Physics being in place of infinite number of other kinds of Law of Physics x the chance of the Earth being a habitable planet x the chance of intelligent life on this particular planet = 1/1x10^infinity, which if calculated with the limits method will equal to 0.

Therefore, by Mathematics, there is no chance that all these things happens by chance.

Everything has to be in the right conditions to be in working and functioning as it is right now. Therefore, by these two arguments and many others (Do you really want me to elaborate on that?), there must be an intelligent design, that is a god or gods.

Edited for space and time.

OMFG are you gonna get a beating tonight when I get back from work!!

:shock::shock::shock:

There is so much stupidity in this single post, it blows my mind!!
 

jeff f

New Member
This shit is laughable!

There's not a goddamn thing that proves any god ever thought up by humanity exists.

you must be a very sad person. God has shown himself to me several times in my life. when my 3 daughters were born, when my father past away, and when i went through a very ugly divorce. very clearly revealed, no mistaken it. i dont attend church anymore, but have always believed and had comunicatilon with him in the above instances.

simply amazing things took place in my life.
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
No one, no matter what they tell you, can tell you definitively what the answer is. Making a choice in the matter is unscientific, and downright biased. Always allow for the possibility. It's very possible BOTH could be true at the same time. Liberal teachers and philosphers would have you take prophecy at it's LITERAL meaning, along with many on the other side of the coin. I find this type of thinking small minded, but what do I really know? I wasn't around, and neither was anyone else.

The fact that so many out there set this argument up this way, is proof of failure in their scientific reasoning. I haven't the time or patience to go round and round regarding this subject. That is all. Have fun. :weed:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I really don't know, but are you not against most social programs, programs that may require you to pay taxes to fund them, as In "give unto Ceasar what is ceasars and give unto God what is Gods"?
Wouldn't it be great if Med man simply started every post like this one?

I really don't know, but....

Let's just assume it's in every post right up front.
 
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PadawanBater

Guest
the thread is titled evolution or god. what direction did you expect it go?

I think I got confused when I was posting, I usually have a few different threads open, so I must have thought the response didn't have anything to do with religion. I made my response and posted it in the atheism thread if you want to respond back.

Or you could respond here, explaining the three times you experienced what you thought was God. I'm all ears.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I had an "experience" once. If I was predisposed to believing in myths, you would have a hard time talking me out of it.
 
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PadawanBater

Guest
I had an "experience" once. If I was predisposed to believing in myths, you would have a hard time talking me out of it.
Exactly like ghosts!

I know a guy who whoheartedly believes he experienced an interaction with a ghost. No matter how hard I try or what I say he will not be convinced otherwise. The event happened when he was 7-8 (over 10 years ago, when he was still pretty much a child), to me, it's clear what happened, without even having been there...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Mine was an out of body experience on the auditory level. I talked to myself from across the room.

At first my emotional side kicked in, and I started to think on the supernatural level.

Then, at least maybe for some ppl including myself, the logical side kicked in after and I examined what actually occurred. Unable to come up with an answer, I went to the library, and found out about mental projection. It was all right there in front of me, pretty much nailing every detail of what I experienced. The audible came from my own mind, no one else's.

But if one doesn't take the last step, then the supernatural is adhered to and cemented into position. then no one can talk you out of it, even though you have entirely misdiagnosed the cause and effect.

There are many institutions just waiting to take advantage of such events.
 

emmaegdy

Member
wars not fought over religion

Aghanistan
Iraq
Vietnam
Korea
WW II
WW I
Spanish American War
Civil War
War of 1812

shutup for a while

bah iraq and afghanistan where invaded for for greed and a really old religious reasons, did you not see any of the stuff that g w bush said on the news he did say alot of by "god as my witness" and other thing that involved being very religious in his reasons for invading a muslim nation! you can forget there was a 1000 year war between christians and muslims! some folks take things to the extreme
 

emmaegdy

Member
no, i am not contending anything. i am saying you are totaly wrong.

i am saying its a historical fact that stalin/hitler/mao all wanted to wipe religion from their country and off face of the planet as soon as they were done conquering it. the only "religion" allowed was to the state. thats not religion, thats statism.

however you choose to look at it, more power to ya. but you are totaly wrong that these men were religious. quite the opposite.
hitler was trying to create his own religion by adopting and destroying other religions! lol
it is hows it has been done for ages its nothing but destruction, and the funny thing is it only religious people who seem to like to blame atheists for major conflicts!
 
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