First ebb and flow (p wreck/sour kush WIP diary)

Hey guys

Long time smoker, first time grower.
Figure I might ask you guys for some advice to keep my babies big and healthy, and also turn this thread into a grow diary when I get myself a camera haha

So atm I've got 12 plants in a 4x2 tray, they're in 4x4 rockwool cubes with a little shaved off the bottom (tray was a bit shallow).
Used some seeds from herbies, they were great, all sprouted well except for one, and after a couple days they were healthy enough to go under the HID (400w sylvania MH @ 18inches).
Put them in initially with a nute solution of 0.2EC (my water is 0.0 natural) and a ml or two of superthrive into a 30ltr res

After a 3-4 days I upped the EC to 0.8 based on a feed chart from my local hydro store, then yesterday upped that again to 1.2 and gave another 3-4ml of superthrive. Res is losing about 2ltr of water each day and I'm topping up and keeping the PH at 5.8

Anyway, all plants have been growing pretty well, nice first set of leaves, second set have started on all plans and third set of leaves have just started showing on a couple, they're about an inch and a half high atm.
Now I've fed them twice with the 1.2EC solution, and I noticed crinkled leaves as well as a few tiny brown holes on one plant (pinprick size), with another plant showing similar (but mild) crinkling and slightly yellowed tips. All other plants appear to be thriving.
Figured this may have been overfert, so I've dropped the EC back to 0.8 and leeched it, have I done the right thing? Should I be dropping the EC further still? These guys are only 9 days old heh

I'll try and get you guys some pics tomorow, hopefully they will shed some light.

Thanks in advance guys




Oh, and the strains I've put down are purple wreck, sour kush, sensi star black label, AK48, super skunk, and a MYSTERY SEED (she's the one that's not looking so good though)

bump, pics toinght

ya 1.2 sounds high for seedlings.

Hey Taurich, it sounds like some slight nute burn to me. Try not using any nutrient for the first 2 weeks when growing seeds. After that you should start at 1/2 or even 1/4 strength then slowly increase the concentration until you get a feel for what your plants can handle.

JayJammer said:

Hey Taurich, it sounds like some slight nute burn to me. Try not using any nutrient for the first 2 weeks when growing seeds. After that you should start at 1/2 or even 1/4 strength then slowly increase the concentration until you get a feel for what your plants can handle.

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^ agreeeeeeeeed

Hey wow sorry for such a late update, I've been pretty busy lately and have been neglecting to take regular pics

Anyway, Mr Crinkles - as it became known - was a sort of canary in the mine for the rest of the plants. Seemed to be the most susceptible to overfert so she got sacrificed in the name of pushing the limits of all the other plants. Kept her for a couple weeks until was about 5-6 inches high, then pulled her out in case she became diseased from the fert damage and ruined the crop.

Everything is pumping along quite nicely, some of the lower leaves have some slightly burnt fringes and a dead dry section of leaf or two, but I'm pretty pretty confident I'm just riding the edge of what the plants can handle because they are absolutely thriving.

Apart from that not too much to report, had one of the sour kush go a bit weird a few days after I started the thread. The main stem of it just terminated in a branch of it's own accord. It got to be about 2.5 inches high, and then decided to just grow a single leaf out of the top stem instead of a pair of shoots. There was no sign of new shoot growth for like 4-5 days and it was looking very wilted and sad, then a weird lump appeared on the side of it, and in the space of a couple days that lump had unfurled into about 4 branches each with a pair of leaves/shoots on them, that's become the new main stem. Seems to be as healthy as the rest now but where the lump occured there's a huge scar, looks like I've grafted it on there
Oh and the sensi star we put down were males, all other seem to be fem. We're putting them into 12/12 in 2-3 days, debating whether to use bushmaster atm. We have some on hand and the plants are about 14-15 inches atm, dreading the stretch. Some advice here would be great

These pics are from about a week ago

These pics are from today. There's a shot of the purple wreck outside of the box there, we've taken a lot of clones off her but she's recovering nicely.
Last two pics are my attempts at a close up of the sour kush weirdness, the smallest branch sticking out the top of that lump thing used to be the main stem ^^

nice plants, take care not to overcrowd your room

zem said:

nice plants, take care not to overcrowd your room

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Yeh it's getting big time crowded in there already.
We were actually due to begin 12/12 two/three days ago, but financial constraints have pushed back purchase of our 1m2 flower tent. This veg box we're using atm is just under half that area

Protip: Prepare things in advance >_<

Oh and thanks, I'm pretty happy with how they're doing, first time I've seen hydro in action and it's just blown me away.

Anyone got any tips on how I can improve my yield in SOG? How does SOG compare to ScrOG?

Taurich said:

Yeh it's getting big time crowded in there already.
We were actually due to begin 12/12 two/three days ago, but financial constraints have pushed back purchase of our 1m2 flower tent. This veg box we're using atm is just under half that area

Protip: Prepare things in advance >_<

Oh and thanks, I'm pretty happy with how they're doing, first time I've seen hydro in action and it's just blown me away.

Anyone got any tips on how I can improve my yield in SOG? How does SOG compare to ScrOG?

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Taurich, looking good so far man.

I would definitely suggest adding a screen to your setup. It will keep your canopy low and even once you hit the stretch in flowering. Also, it will allow more light to penetrate and fatten up those lower buds, not just the top one like a SOG. I think this would be a great way to increase your yield drastically. (just my opinion)

About Bushmaster... It is like a power tool for plants, a very potent vertical growth inhibitor. Be careful with it. Don't use more than 1/4 mL per Gallon of water and i would suggest using it as a foliar spray a couple days after switching to 12/12. You will notice that your plants stop growing up but still continue to grow outward. This can be very useful when trying to control stretch during flower.

it is now too late for SCROG because you already flipped to 12/12 lighting. you would need to top them and grow side branches to have a scrog. SOG is also too late since your plants are grown already. you definitely need more space which also means more light. by the way, what light are you planning to flower them with and in what area?for your reference a 600w would cover 3x4 area, if you don't have adequate lighting, you will have very little if any yield. if you cant get proper lighting very soon that is in 3-4 days, you can flip back to 24/24 lighting since you only flipped 12/12 only 3 days ago and flower them under the right light in the right space

zem said:

it is now too late for SCROG because you already flipped to 12/12 lighting. you would need to top them and grow side branches to have a scrog. SOG is also too late since your plants are grown already. you definitely need more space which also means more light. by the way, what light are you planning to flower them with and in what area?for your reference a 600w would cover 3x4 area, if you don't have adequate lighting, you will have very little if any yield. if you cant get proper lighting very soon that is in 3-4 days, you can flip back to 24/24 lighting since you only flipped 12/12 only 3 days ago and flower them under the right light in the right space

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Heya, little misunderstanding. These haven't been flipped to 12/12 yet, they are crammed in my little veg box atm and were due to go under 12/12 almost a week ago
They'll be going to 12/12 in a couple days, they'll be transferred to a 1m2 tray in a twin bulb 2m2 flower tent under 600w HPS.
After that we'll be putting these clones in the veg box, and in a few weeks they'll be ready to go into the other 1m2 tray in the tent.

The plan is to upgrade to 1000W HPS after a few cycles, aiming for 3-4 week cycle.

zem said:

it is now too late for SCROG because you already flipped to 12/12 lighting. you would need to top them and grow side branches to have a scrog. SOG is also too late since your plants are grown already. you definitely need more space which also means more light. by the way, what light are you planning to flower them with and in what area?for your reference a 600w would cover 3x4 area, if you don't have adequate lighting, you will have very little if any yield. if you cant get proper lighting very soon that is in 3-4 days, you can flip back to 24/24 lighting since you only flipped 12/12 only 3 days ago and flower them under the right light in the right space

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This guy obviously didn't care enough to read ONE page of your thread, I'd think twice before taking anything he says seriously..

What kind of tent you looking into Taurich?

JayJammer said:

This guy obviously didn't care enough to read ONE page of your thread, I'd think twice before taking anything he says seriously..

What kind of tent you looking into Taurich?

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hey there gayjammer no big deal I thought he said that he already flipped 12/12 chill... Taurich you can top them prepare them for a scrog let them grow side branches but you will have to wait for a bit longer, a week or two before you can flower them with a nice scrog, you would have a good harvest if done right

zem said:

hey there gayjammer no big deal I thought he said that he already flipped 12/12 chill... Taurich you can top them prepare them for a scrog let them grow side branches but you will have to wait for a bit longer, a week or two before you can flower them with a nice scrog, you would have a good harvest if done right

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Glad you decided to change your advice. Your first post showed your inexperience.

We topped the plants 2 weeks ago and already have a nice canopy that will easily fill a 1m2 tray mid flowering,


Cannot wait to see this farken purple wreck, I wanna go all out on this grow, so, apart from CO2 which will come into the equation next cycle, what else can I do to maximise yield?
I've got enough bushmaster to make approx 1,500L of sauce, figure that will last just about forever if used as foliar. I'd really love to hear from someone who's used it like this before and could tell me how heavily it should be applied and how long it should be used for. I know it's heavy-duty stuff so I'm pretty nervous about using it and potentially screwing up the crop. For that reason I don't really wanna go for any other additives, I hear most of them are snake-oil anyway.

But I must I must I must pull at least a pound

Anyone who could give me an estimate of yield?
8 plants vegged to 2 foot..

3 Sour kush
2 Purple Wreck
3 AK 48

Confirmed females

anyone anyone?

Taurich said:

We topped the plants 2 weeks ago and already have a nice canopy that will easily fill a 1m2 tray mid flowering,


Cannot wait to see this farken purple wreck, I wanna go all out on this grow, so, apart from CO2 which will come into the equation next cycle, what else can I do to maximise yield?
I've got enough bushmaster to make approx 1,500L of sauce, figure that will last just about forever if used as foliar. I'd really love to hear from someone who's used it like this before and could tell me how heavily it should be applied and how long it should be used for. I know it's heavy-duty stuff so I'm pretty nervous about using it and potentially screwing up the crop. For that reason I don't really wanna go for any other additives, I hear most of them are snake-oil anyway.

But I must I must I must pull at least a pound

Anyone who could give me an estimate of yield?
8 plants vegged to 2 foot..

3 Sour kush
2 Purple Wreck
3 AK 48

Confirmed females

anyone anyone?

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dude I am looking through your pics, I think you overcrowded your room, to reply to your question about what yield to estimate, please guide me to a clear pic of your flowering chamber, tell me how many plants there are in that 1m2 area. I believe that it is the thing that will hurt your yield the most in your room.
As for that fertilizer, if you do find someone who uses it, he might be dumb or something, trust yourself and your instincts, read instructions, start building up concentration, begin 1/2 strength. For foliar feeding, it is used mostly for solving a deficiency problem quickly, you can help plants to boost their growth, foilar feeding is faster acting than root feeding but can also burn plants faster, it is never done more often than once per week and is not a substitute to root feeding, I myself do it once or twice during the late veg and early flowering, I would never use it on buds though, it is not advisable at all to spray the buds. In fact this current grow I am about to harvest, I skipped foliar feeding altogether and the result is still awesome in yield and quality...

zem said:

dude I am looking through your pics, I think you overcrowded your room, to reply to your question about what yield to estimate, please guide me to a clear pic of your flowering chamber, tell me how many plants there are in that 1m2 area. I believe that it is the thing that will hurt your yield the most in your room.
As for that fertilizer, if you do find someone who uses it, he might be dumb or something, trust yourself and your instincts, read instructions, start building up concentration, begin 1/2 strength. For foliar feeding, it is used mostly for solving a deficiency problem quickly, you can help plants to boost their growth, foilar feeding is faster acting than root feeding but can also burn plants faster, it is never done more often than once per week and is not a substitute to root feeding, I myself do it once or twice during the late veg and early flowering, I would never use it on buds though, it is not advisable at all to spray the buds. In fact this current grow I am about to harvest, I skipped foliar feeding altogether and the result is still awesome in yield and quality...

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Yeh like I said in the last post, already well aware that the room is overcrowded.

Everything has just been moved to the tent, couldn't get the 2x1x2 we wanted so gone with a 1.2x1.2x2 instead (1.44m2 grow space), 9 plants in a grid (found one hidden in the back), will upload some pics of it later tonight.

Anyway, bushmaster isn't fertiliser. It's a PGR that stops vertical growth in a plant. It's used to inhibit stretch to maximise yield in space-limited grow rooms.
It's extremely potent (1/4ml per gallon), and also comes with no instructions whatsoever. I know the procedure for using it in a reservoir, but not for foliar feeding. Considering the effect it has and how powerful the stuff is, I don't want to just trial-and-error my way through the whole bottle and potentially ruin my crop. Any advice from someone who has experience with this product would be great.


EDIT: The product I'm using is not actual Bushmaster, it has the same chemical but a different brand. The concentration of chlormequat chloride is 77g/L, I don't know if this is stronger or weaker than regular bushmaster.
Double edit: ahhh, looked into it a bit and it looks like I've got Gravity, not Bushmaster. Still need tips on how much of the stuff to use ^^
Triple edit: derf, chlormequat chloride is actually in a product called Cycocel (never heard of it myself). It has the same giberrelin inhibiting effects as PBZ (bushmaster), but also beefs up flower production.

Hell I'm just gonna mix it up weak at like 0.25ml/gal and foliar it every day until I notice either stretch stop or early flowers.

you need to thin your plants or remove some of them altogether, plants double to triple in size during flowering, are you aware that having it so much cranked means that you may harvest VERY little if any? I cannot imagine what this room would look like in 3 more weeks... jungle of branches, leaves and pistils! only trying to help

zem said:

you need to thin your plants or remove some of them altogether, plants double to triple in size during flowering, are you aware that having it so much cranked means that you may harvest VERY little if any? I cannot imagine what this room would look like in 3 more weeks... jungle of branches, leaves and pistils! only trying to help

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Taurich said:

Yeh like I said in the last post, already well aware that the room is overcrowded.

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Not trying to troll here but you've told me the same thing in every post you've made

I
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