Kush Killington
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What do yu mean by under constant light? All my plants are vegged under 24/7 light.
Thanks thou. Its been alot of work watering them twice a day haha. Gotta get them all into 3 gals so i can rest.
Sir KK
flowering 24/12
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Thanks thou. Its been alot of work watering them twice a day haha. Gotta get them all into 3 gals so i can rest.
Sir KK
ttystikk
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Nope. It was repubs who wanted it. Anything to make it harder for the little guy.
Sativied
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Oh I see, nevermind, thought those were under some alternative light schedule too. One of the argument of 18/6 proponents is that the plants supposedly create more roots during the dark period. Never noticed that in hydro and you sure showed that 24/7 leads to plenty of roots regardless.
ttystikk
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@Kush Killington I just read this thread front to back. I like your style- of course I would, I recognize a lot of what I do in it!
Love your vertical experiments. Keep it up!
If you go with 860W CDM, you'll need to adjust your diameter, as the ladies want at least 24" from the lamp for me. 30" was better for multiple lamps.
I'm not the guy who said a long day and short night wouldn't work, I'm interested in seeing how things come out.
I think your plants are showing a lack of nutrition and possibly stress from low RH, depending on how hot you let things get. On the other hand, I run my own veg 18/6 so my plants will be different from yours.
I've run mostly 12 on and 12 off in bloom. I've progressively dialed the day length back in the past as plants reached milestones during the bloom cycle, it seemed to help them finish. Now I run a perpetual so I have less opportunity to play with it.
I run RDWC so I don't water like you do. Nice roots! I like what I see, I'm subbed for the run.
Love your vertical experiments. Keep it up!
If you go with 860W CDM, you'll need to adjust your diameter, as the ladies want at least 24" from the lamp for me. 30" was better for multiple lamps.
I'm not the guy who said a long day and short night wouldn't work, I'm interested in seeing how things come out.
I think your plants are showing a lack of nutrition and possibly stress from low RH, depending on how hot you let things get. On the other hand, I run my own veg 18/6 so my plants will be different from yours.
I've run mostly 12 on and 12 off in bloom. I've progressively dialed the day length back in the past as plants reached milestones during the bloom cycle, it seemed to help them finish. Now I run a perpetual so I have less opportunity to play with it.
I run RDWC so I don't water like you do. Nice roots! I like what I see, I'm subbed for the run.
Kush Killington
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I find plants grow faster and more compact under 24/7 light. As for the roots, i blame the coco. Amazing stuff really. And the occasional dose of root start
though it does not appear they care if lights are on or off. I got roots growing UP out the soil! Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Yo ttystikk, welcome bro.
Vertical has so much potential. Im still tryna unlock it.
My circle (2nd one going up soon) is ~46" in diameter. It may be over kill, but with that 18in floor fan (3x overkill) and my 25000k btu window mother fuckin diy mounted ac (did i mention the overkill? Cant even buy one this big anymore..) i cud cool a couple 860cdms that close to plants
Im thinkin 4. 2 per circle. Ima have 3x400w lights per circle till then.
Im still pretty new to coco so ive been pretty delicate with feedings. Plus no ppm pen, only ph.
I basically did some rough math and calculated out my own ppms from a combo of the nutes i have. Probably not the best idea, but i like to design my own way. I hate cookie cutter builds..
Anyway RH is unmanaged thou i have a 60pint/day dehumid in there. In the tent it gets up to 80% depending if the flowering lights are off and i just watered or not. Average is 70%.
Outside he tent (flowering area) stays around 50%. Dont have a digital temp/rh meter in there yet so i dont noe the lows and highs like in the tent but its coo. Once flower sets in ill set the dehumid for 50%.
Hows RDWC? I need to automate this piece somehow. Ive been lookin into blumats but im horrified of flooding. This place is rented so im trying to minimize my damage. Hydro is the next step for me but for now, im hand watering at 7am and 7pm everyday..
Sir KK
ttystikk
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If you live in fear of floods, do NOT build an RDWC! LOL just sayin' it's like riding a bicycle; no matter how good you are, sooner or later there will be an accident...
Maybe it's the lighting schedule playing games with your plants, but they look hungry to me.
An EC pen is not expensive and it will save your ass in coco. How much runoff do you get from your coco pots every day? If the answer is none or very little, I can pretty much guarantee its building up in your coco. The way to know is to use a pen on the runoff.
I could babble on all day about why I think vertical growing is the shit... better you just let me know if you have questions. Lord knows I've been where you are!
Maybe it's the lighting schedule playing games with your plants, but they look hungry to me.
An EC pen is not expensive and it will save your ass in coco. How much runoff do you get from your coco pots every day? If the answer is none or very little, I can pretty much guarantee its building up in your coco. The way to know is to use a pen on the runoff.
I could babble on all day about why I think vertical growing is the shit... better you just let me know if you have questions. Lord knows I've been where you are!
Kush Killington
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Haha perhaps it is time to invest in a ppm pen then. But i alsways make sure i get good run off. At least 20%.
Haha don worry. Ill definately ask if im wonderin somethin
thanks yo.Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Update time!
Man, looking back, there's been some significant growth. But still no real signs of flowering. To be fair, the plants werent mature when put into flower. This being the one downside to 24/0 veg. Plants take a looong time to mature. These had vegged for 5 weeks from seed. When i was vegging under 12/1 (GLR), plants seemed to mature in about 3-4 weeks. The obvious conclusion being that plants mature (faster) in the dark, but still slowly mature without. My other vegging plants showed pistils somewhere between week 6-7.
Anyway.
The goods. Pics were tough to take now that they take up more space.
Wierd runt. Looks hungry.
Frankenberry. Gettin bushy.
Sadly the lights turned off on me sooo ill have to get more flowering pics later. Kinda hard to get good angles without getting cooked haha.
Now. My vegging plants were suppose to go for 10 weeks, but have become way to big to fast. I cud only imagine how big theyd get if i flowered horizontal. They are 54 days from seed.
Top view.
Front view. Notice the 5 gal bucket with my clones/seedlings in 4" pots on top of it. LOL. Scale baby.
If yu notice that yellow fan, they all are eating and dropping lower growth pretty fast. I assume it's cause they're in the super dark undergrowth. Not concerned. Im hittin em wit full strength nutes now so we'll see. It has slowed alot lol. Growth hasnt. >.<
Another front view with plants apart. There's 5 in there. Tired to get a pic of them compared to the tent. Its a secret jardin 4x4. They are all over 3ft from top of coco. Tallest (front left and back middle) are ~43". Gonna have to do some bending since my flowering screen is only 3ft tall (12ft around. Vert grow space ftw!) haha.
Ill get some better pics up later. Kinda rushed these before the light turned off. I will be putting 4 of these into flower in a few days but 1 wont fit >.<. Not sure what ill do with a 3.5ft bush. Itd be another 8-10 weeks before i have more space in my flowering chamber...
I knew this wud happen but i cudnt bring myself to toss one of them
actually 2. But 1 turned male and left me wit 9 knowing only 8 wud fit. Sigh. I guess i cud turn it into a mother plant and jus take a bunch of foot long clones lol. Or jus let it fill the tent, take foot long clones and flower it in place of 4 plants
Wud 1 massive 4-5 month plant = 4 2 month plants? Hmmmm...
...Plant math is never linear...
Sir KK
lol that mother fucker wud b a literal tree in 10 more weeks. Jesus the thought
Man, looking back, there's been some significant growth. But still no real signs of flowering. To be fair, the plants werent mature when put into flower. This being the one downside to 24/0 veg. Plants take a looong time to mature. These had vegged for 5 weeks from seed. When i was vegging under 12/1 (GLR), plants seemed to mature in about 3-4 weeks. The obvious conclusion being that plants mature (faster) in the dark, but still slowly mature without. My other vegging plants showed pistils somewhere between week 6-7.
Anyway.
The goods. Pics were tough to take now that they take up more space.
Wierd runt. Looks hungry.
Frankenberry. Gettin bushy.
Sadly the lights turned off on me sooo ill have to get more flowering pics later. Kinda hard to get good angles without getting cooked haha.
Now. My vegging plants were suppose to go for 10 weeks, but have become way to big to fast. I cud only imagine how big theyd get if i flowered horizontal. They are 54 days from seed.
Top view.
Front view. Notice the 5 gal bucket with my clones/seedlings in 4" pots on top of it. LOL. Scale baby.
If yu notice that yellow fan, they all are eating and dropping lower growth pretty fast. I assume it's cause they're in the super dark undergrowth. Not concerned. Im hittin em wit full strength nutes now so we'll see. It has slowed alot lol. Growth hasnt. >.<
Another front view with plants apart. There's 5 in there. Tired to get a pic of them compared to the tent. Its a secret jardin 4x4. They are all over 3ft from top of coco. Tallest (front left and back middle) are ~43". Gonna have to do some bending since my flowering screen is only 3ft tall (12ft around. Vert grow space ftw!) haha.
Ill get some better pics up later. Kinda rushed these before the light turned off. I will be putting 4 of these into flower in a few days but 1 wont fit >.<. Not sure what ill do with a 3.5ft bush. Itd be another 8-10 weeks before i have more space in my flowering chamber...
I knew this wud happen but i cudnt bring myself to toss one of them
actually 2. But 1 turned male and left me wit 9 knowing only 8 wud fit. Sigh. I guess i cud turn it into a mother plant and jus take a bunch of foot long clones lol. Or jus let it fill the tent, take foot long clones and flower it in place of 4 plants Wud 1 massive 4-5 month plant = 4 2 month plants? Hmmmm...
...Plant math is never linear...
Sir KK
lol that mother fucker wud b a literal tree in 10 more weeks. Jesus the thought
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Kush Killington
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Oh i almost forgot!
I took a pic of one of my vegging plants a few days ago. I went to lift it up by the pot and the drip tray was stuck to the bottom! The roots had grown and grabbed onto it hahah.
This was literally days after i transplanted. Not sure why the root growth is so crazy but im already watering once a day in the veg tent and twice for the flowering plants. Tiring bleh! Not even at full capacity either. But i got the second circle up jus before the lights cut out at 7am. Prroggresss!
Sir KK
I took a pic of one of my vegging plants a few days ago. I went to lift it up by the pot and the drip tray was stuck to the bottom! The roots had grown and grabbed onto it hahah.
This was literally days after i transplanted. Not sure why the root growth is so crazy but im already watering once a day in the veg tent and twice for the flowering plants. Tiring bleh! Not even at full capacity either. But i got the second circle up jus before the lights cut out at 7am. Prroggresss!
Sir KK
Kush Killington
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ttystikk
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I plan for my girls to hit six feet by the end of stretch. Purple always ask me how long I have to wait for them to get that tall, I tell them they're usually waiting for ME!Crazy fast. My biggest plants yet
Sir KK
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Kush Killington
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Im hoping i can contain the stretch. They already exceed the height of my screen. They will be trained sideways but this strain is suppose to be stretchy. They only got 12ft of screen circumference. Each plant has a m2 of space so hopeully thats enugh
Sir KK
ttystikk
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Top them! The results work great in a vertical ScrOG.Im hoping i can contain the stretch. They already exceed the height of my screen. They will be trained sideways but this strain is suppose to be stretchy. They only got 12ft of screen circumference. Each plant has a m2 of space so hopeully thats enugh
Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Im jus gonna bend whatever is above the 3ft screen sidesways. At this point, itd b to sad to cut the top lol. Thou the option will remain. I do lots of topping early and agree that topping is great in v-scrogs. One plant i have in flower was topped to 8 tops and it spread out real nice across the screen. I'll see how they stretch in the vert and determine wats best. This run is all new.
Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Well i had to make a judgement call today. My vegging plants have hit the potiential and are ready to be flowered. 3 gal smart pots are my limit (bigger size wont fit) and im already watering once a day.
Ill have to put this test on hold.
But i should b able to tell if the plants were flowering by comparing them to how long it takes my veggers to flower. Time frame from switch to flower should b around the same.
I hope to b able to try this again but times are hard and i no longer have the time or space to mess around with light schedules. I was hoping to get 1 more week but its not gonna happen. I need my kush! So i need a definite flowering schedule.
Ill continue to update the grow each week.
Sir KK
Ill have to put this test on hold.
But i should b able to tell if the plants were flowering by comparing them to how long it takes my veggers to flower. Time frame from switch to flower should b around the same.
I hope to b able to try this again but times are hard and i no longer have the time or space to mess around with light schedules. I was hoping to get 1 more week but its not gonna happen. I need my kush! So i need a definite flowering schedule.
Ill continue to update the grow each week.
Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Hey guys
Well, its pretty impractical to get pics of these ladies. Even under good lighting, there are no flattering angles >.<
Despite that
2nd group last monday (sept 7)
Same pic but today (sept 13)
Last week a few days into flower.
Today.
Front of 1st circle.
(Lol srry bout shit pics) im always asleep at lights off. As always ill work on gettin CMH pics without all that hps)
The first group of plants Still have not begun to flower. Although an indica leaning pheno is getting close.
Most likely safe to assume that my 24/12 cycle will NOT flower plants... But i will veg them
Now this is only an assumption based on the results at hand. Could they have flowered if left longer in 24/12? Yes. But after 3 weeks of 24/12 and 1 week of 12/12, they show only signs of maturity.
4 weeks is plenty of time to start flowering.
Sir KK
Well, its pretty impractical to get pics of these ladies. Even under good lighting, there are no flattering angles >.<
Despite that
2nd group last monday (sept 7)
Same pic but today (sept 13)
Last week a few days into flower.
Today.
Front of 1st circle.
(Lol srry bout shit pics) im always asleep at lights off. As always ill work on gettin CMH pics without all that hps)
The first group of plants Still have not begun to flower. Although an indica leaning pheno is getting close.
Most likely safe to assume that my 24/12 cycle will NOT flower plants... But i will veg them
Now this is only an assumption based on the results at hand. Could they have flowered if left longer in 24/12? Yes. But after 3 weeks of 24/12 and 1 week of 12/12, they show only signs of maturity.
4 weeks is plenty of time to start flowering.
Sir KK
Kush Killington
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Also.
Jesus.
Vert training is a bitch.
When should i jus let them stretch into the light? Or shud i jus keep tying em back till stretch subsides? Shit a few of these i cant tie back anymore. The branches arent getting taller in the back so there's no new room to tie branches to lol.
Also.
How long can i leave a bucket of nutes out? Ive jus been premixing 4 gals of double strength and watering it down as needed. Adding a lil h202 to keep my "res" clean.
Sir KK
Jesus.
Vert training is a bitch.
When should i jus let them stretch into the light? Or shud i jus keep tying em back till stretch subsides? Shit a few of these i cant tie back anymore. The branches arent getting taller in the back so there's no new room to tie branches to lol.
Also.
How long can i leave a bucket of nutes out? Ive jus been premixing 4 gals of double strength and watering it down as needed. Adding a lil h202 to keep my "res" clean.
Sir KK