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Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
Clinton has said a lot of things. She has made a career out of political calculations. What has she done though (aside from championing a crime bill that did more to harm the black community than anything has since the civil rights era)?
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You are still saying you understand civil rights issues better than black and brown people do. They listened, compared and chose Clinton. I saw the disconnect between my perception of Bernie and the voting patterns of black and brown people as a flag and opportunity to learn. So, I asked questions, listened to the very few openly black voices here while suspending my disbelief long enough to understand what they were saying.

When you say you still believe Bernie would be better than any establishment Democrat, that's your opinion based upon your perceptions. Yet people with more experience than you chose differently in very convincingly large numbers. Suggest you read up and try to learn what other people are saying. That voice in your head or on Facebook is too limited.

https://splinternews.com/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters-1793860129
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/why-black-voters-dont-feel-the-bern-213707
http://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-black-women-problem-1796995081

The best line that I recall reading was one an analyst said regarding Bernie's emphasis on race-neutral economic polices. He said that black people have been told to put their issues on the back burner for the good of all and their issues never get addressed. He's not willing to do that anymore.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
bernie just said the other day that civil rights is not a "bread and butter issue" for "ordinary americans".

and these white losers wonder how they lost a democratic primary
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I know, right?

I'll bet somebody comes back and demands a citation. As if they can't go out on their own and read. The words of some really insightful analysis by minority and women voices are available to them.

"people are tired of politically correct rhetoric" (Bernie Sanders, December, 2016)

Bernie wasn't including black people when he named "people" in the above sentence.
 
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schuylaar

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st0wandgrow said:
lol

If all that transpired was a couple debate questions being forwarded to one candidate, then I could agree with your assessment.

One candidate taking over the entire party apparatus and using that as her own personal fund raising machine is not some minor dust up. Millions of people have just had their suspicions confirmed, and there will be hell to pay if the DNC does not clean house and chart a new course.

The toothpaste is out of the tube.
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There will be hell to pay. This doesn't end here..not by a longshot.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
There will be hell to pay. This doesn't end here..not by a longshot.
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Of course it doesn't end. You guys will never get over you butthurt. But this isn't hell, privileged little white girl. That's what families are put through when ICE agents deport the father or mother of the family. The same can be said when our law and order president provides cover for the cop who killed a black son for driving while black. You know, that white supremacist president you say they deserved.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
That’s what buck does. He takes a quote out of context and then tries to marginalize you with it. Look at the whole exchange. You were just bitching about the same thing earlier this morning towards someone else. Shall I dig up your quote?

I was not comparing blm to a terrorist organization. I support blm, but like with any movement, there will be bad actors. I was simply asking if the bad actors should be called out. To me it smears the movement, and distracts from their message.

I did mistakenly attribute that Dallas shooter to blm though. I have since learned that he was not associated with blm. I was wrong about that, but I stand by the rest of my comments.
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When people have a valid complaint about "quote taken out of context" it is when the meaning of the quote changes when context is taken away. Sure, stripping away rhetoric makes what you said seem worse but the message was unchanged. But let's move on to your complaint -- that Black Lives Matter movement should "call out the bad actors".

The have done so. They put out a message against the perpetrator of the Houston shootings, for instance. They very clearly are committed to nonviolence. They say so repeatedly and considering the size of protests in Ferguson and elsewhere, there isn't much violence if any that can be directly attributed to BLM protesters. Considering what the BLM movement is protesting against, why are you complaining about them at all? The most virulent detractors of BLM are white supremacists who make no bones about being violent.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Lol
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the whole fucking narrative collapsed. hilalry raised hundreds of millions for down ballot races, bernie never raised a penny. hillary funded her own campaign and saved the fucking DNC singlehandedly. brazile couldn't even get the agreements right.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
the whole fucking narrative collapsed. hilalry raised hundreds of millions for down ballot races, bernie never raised a penny. hillary funded her own campaign and saved the fucking DNC singlehandedly. brazile couldn't even get the agreements right.
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The Clinton campaign controlled the DNC

You were denying DNC collusion from the beginning
 
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