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thundergodfist

thundergodfist

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dienowk said:
That is a paper by someone with no degree or background in science. This cites many papers and studies written by people who actually do http://www.zmescience.com/other/science-abc/organic-food-science02092015/

Personally I love my gmo's and inorganic salts and will continue to use both but I wont tell you it is better than organic simply because current science (there is plenty of it) says neither is really better.
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Did you not read the paper? There are 57 references on the last 2 pages, the link you provided has less then 10!
 
dienowk

dienowk

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thundergodfist said:
Did you not read the paper? There are 57 references on the last 2 pages, the link you provided has less then 10!
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I did read it, twice actually (and once more today to be sure I didn't miss anything), what you neglected to see in your reading of my link were the meta-analysis papers (papers studying large numbers of other papers on the subject, negating papers of low scientific quality). I like meta-analysis papers because you are looking at quality studies (generally, I mean anyone with a bias can skew things towards their beliefs), and huge numbers of them rather than just single studies.

Current science does not support either being better (although it does support conventional farming as being more sustainable), this could change some day and at that time if it does my stance will change as well.
 
thundergodfist

thundergodfist

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dienowk said:
Current science does not support either being better (although it does support conventional farming as being more sustainable), this could change some day and at that time if it does my stance will change as well.
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Not all organic farms/production systems are equal but in general the smaller local organic farms have more nutritious and tastier produce... in my experience and a lot of my family and friends' experiences... research also backs this up (nutritious part). There is a lot of resistance to this local organic movement by the big agricultural companies. They fund research that have favorable findings for their industry, check out the wheat board, dairy industry, etc... In the end experiment and see for yourself.

I stumbled upon this gem lately, watch and learn as I did:


They are finding higher terpene contents in organic outdoor grown cannabis!
 
dienowk

dienowk

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thundergodfist said:
Not all organic farms/production systems are equal but in general the smaller local organic farms have more nutritious and tastier produce... in my experience and a lot of my family and friends' experiences... research also backs this up (nutritious part). There is a lot of resistance to this local organic movement by the big agricultural companies. They fund research that have favorable findings for their industry, check out the wheat board, dairy industry, etc... In the end experiment and see for yourself.

I stumbled upon this gem lately, watch and learn as I did:


They are finding higher terpene contents in organic outdoor grown cannabis!
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Honestly I believe that the terpene increases is entirely due to the full spectrum of light coming from the sun vs artificial sources (which even when called "full spectrum" are far from it). I would love to see studies done growing multiple of the same clones outdoors both organic and non organic comparing the finished flowers cannabinoid and terp profiles though. These sorts of studies will have to wait on true legalization but I am hopeful that we will see them down the road.
 
thundergodfist

thundergodfist

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dienowk said:
Honestly I believe that the terpene increases is entirely due to the full spectrum of light coming from the sun vs artificial sources (which even when called "full spectrum" are far from it). I would love to see studies done growing multiple of the same clones outdoors both organic and non organic comparing the finished flowers cannabinoid and terp profiles though. These sorts of studies will have to wait on true legalization but I am hopeful that we will see them down the road.
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He specifically mentions organically grown a few times in the video so that is definitely a factor... from what they have seen anyways.
 
dienowk

dienowk

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thundergodfist said:
He specifically mentions organically grown a few times in the video so that is definitely a factor... from what they have seen anyways.
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It may be a perceived factor but without a side by side grow with the same strain eliminating all other variables the belief that it is a definite factor can not actually be determined. As I said before though, you could be completely correct here, the science as it sits does not currently support either side though because the research in regards to cannabis is still lacking severely.

One thing I am sure we can agree on is that we need much more quality research in regards to cannabis.
 
cannadan

cannadan

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my best and tastiest grows have been outdoors in compost...
but like gb said you get what big momma hands you....
and sometimes its a big ole whopping of mold.....
 
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