++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

legallyflying said:

Ok after another slime battle in DWC I converted everything back to ebb an grow type system

Pretty fucking substrate mix that is kind of Hempy bucket like. Interested to see the results

It's about:
80% course perlite
10% coco
10% old hydroton
And a good dose of ancient forest.

I'll keep you posed on results

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Im sold on coco.... Been playing with chow type mixes to

I believe chow= hydrotron and soiless medium like humbolt super hydro at least thats what im testing.

but biggest yields so far in plain cana coco

Interesting. So straight up coco in ebb flow? My buddy is rocking Hempy buckets..which is pretty damn close to eb and flow really an he uses about 10% coco. All the rest perlite. He swears by the coco increasing quality though.

I loved my DWC. Sooooo fast growth, but it really is a pain in the ass and is gear intensive. I'm going back to basics.

legallyflying said:

Interesting. So straight up coco in ebb flow? My buddy is rocking Hempy buckets..which is pretty damn close to eb and flow really an he uses about 10% coco. All the rest perlite. He swears by the coco increasing quality though.

I loved my DWC. Sooooo fast growth, but it really is a pain in the ass and is gear intensive. I'm going back to basics.

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Not ebb & flow the coco is full on drain to waste but there less waste then ebb&flow
results are way better, plus i can leave for days without issues

Hello people, I have an ebb and flow table set up with drip lines because my res was not big enough. My question is if I was to leave the drippers running constantly will I see and bad affects? I am in flower right now and I did this during veg and the plants seemed to love it. The are under a 600w hps. Thanks!

drekoushranada said:

Hello people, I have an ebb and flow table set up with drip lines because my res was not big enough. My question is if I was to leave the drippers running constantly will I see and bad affects? I am in flower right now and I did this during veg and the plants seemed to love it. The are under a 600w hps. Thanks!

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What type of medium you using?

Lava rocks as medium.

drekoushranada said:

Lava rocks as medium.

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Lava is alot like hydroton

so i would feed like you would with the ton.
feed x4 for 15min during lights on for bloom

Well it is now that they don't have a constant feed they are starting to yellow up a bit as if they are hungry. I will work on feeding them more and see what happens.

drekoushranada said:

Well it is now that they don't have a constant feed they are starting to yellow up a bit as if they are hungry. I will work on feeding them more and see what happens.

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Can give me a idea of your feeding?
what nutes?
how much?

They have been in flower for 3 weeks and I am feeding at 1100ppm. The nutes are dyna gro bloom with a bit of grow formula as well. The PH is at 5.8

So i dont get confused your saying there yellowing do to you cutting back how much you water
or because your cutting back the ppms?

If your at 1100 and yellowing I would bump it up to 1300 or so. The extra should be veg formula. Might as well add a splash of calmag as well. Without pictures, sounds like low N

drekoushranada said:

Well it is now that they don't have a constant feed they are starting to yellow up a bit as if they are hungry. I will work on feeding them more and see what happens.

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homebrewer has a great thread on dynagro nutes.https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html I've used dynagro off and on for a while now. It is way more potent than a lot of other synthetics out there. I have been running about 1.8-2.0 ec and it seems too hot. Hb suggests running ec as low as .8 while running DG. You may be feeding too much. Either way we really need to know what scale your meter read tds in.

Anyways I have been experimenting with the dynagrow 7-9-5 in flower and am really liking the results vs. the 3-12-6.

When I was running straight bloom 3-12-6 at around week three flower I would star getting significant yellowing of the lower leaves and quite a few dropping. An obvious N deff. Since running the 7-9-5 virtually no yellowing or drop. I am about a month in now on the veg. nutes in flower.

Like legally said and based on my exp. with dg bloom it sounds like N.

In general, people are of base thinking that when plants flower they no longer need nitrogen. Like some kind of switch goes off and the no longer need it, or giving them nitrogen is going to stunt the flowers. MJ has explosive growth trigger by photoperiod shifts; they need PLENTY of nitrogen to support this growth.

For whatever it's worth I run grow nutes the first week, 50/50 the second and don't go full bloom nutes till the third week.

I will adjust per you all suggestions. In my UC system I didn't have problems as such. I guess it is part of the ebb and flow learning curve...

HR,

So I'm using the canna with aqua shield and root excel. My ppm's minus my tap water are about 200. Water temp is about 70* and ph 5.7. Right now I'm just hand watering them because I'm kinda holding off transfering them because of this crazy weather. Been watering about every 2 days. I've went up a little on the ppms to about 350-400 and then back down. I know my ph is right on now because I'm using the canna now instead of the ph perfect. But I can't get them to stop burning/deficiency? I don't know! It's not real bad but drives me crazy. I've attached some pics. Could it possibly be calmag? I did come across some threads where people added calmag when growing master kush. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Pic #2 looks like nute burn, theres a small amout of claw there.

this is how i look at it
tap water 160
add cal-mag to get 200
then add base at 1/4 strength
then roots excel

And see if theres a change.....

how long they been in the blocks?

I say its a combo of N deficient and a ph issue because u didn't pre soak u blocks just a guess