Help with security ideas
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WeekendSupervisor
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Steel doors, reinforced jams ^^^ Yes. I don't like Panic Rooms, boobytraps, and reinforced walls and all that unless you are rich and a real target or wear a colander-hat. I don't want my cat ending up on the wrong side of a trap that I set up.
I like the idea of real-time smartphone alerts. Perimeter trees and interior bottlenecks are good places for network cameras, which are logged on a secure server in your safe space. There are so many smart-home kits these days that your imagination is the only limiting factor on what you can do in your house with your phone. Motion dectection alerts, Party-mode, meat-grinder-murder mode.... you decide!
I like the idea of real-time smartphone alerts. Perimeter trees and interior bottlenecks are good places for network cameras, which are logged on a secure server in your safe space. There are so many smart-home kits these days that your imagination is the only limiting factor on what you can do in your house with your phone. Motion dectection alerts, Party-mode, meat-grinder-murder mode.... you decide!
Lots of good suggestions here. I like multiple layers of security. Starting from inside and working outwards, inside the home have access to a pistol, taser or some form of protection and know how to use them. I always have one within reach, but that's because I'm from the big city and am still adjusting to country life in city known for meth heads and break-ins (kind of like the big city lol). If an intruder is brave enough to enter when it's obvious that someone is home, their intentions certainly cannot be assumed to be anything other than lethal, in my opinion. Things I'd consider that are cost effective.
Alarm/surveillance systems- something like Simplisafe is actually pretty cool- window/door sensors, very loud alarm. No system is without its faults though, even these have their faults, it's just a layer in the onion. If you're far out enough to test sweeping/clearing the location while the alarm is on and adrenaline is flowing, you'll have the upper hand in a real situation. For surveillance, look into the vandal proof domes, 180 degree cameras in corners etc, and use a friend or do it yourself- no matter how professional the company is, people love to talk about the last awesome gig they did and what they saw. The technology these days on cameras is pretty awesome- see if you can even get one with decent zoom to pickup license plates going down the street, or even faces as they approach before realizing there are cameras- all it takes is one good shot to identify the perp.
Windows - outsides of the windows if not barred (at least the rear/backyard for example where no one passing by can see an intruder) should at minimum have roses or thistles surrounding.
Large trained dogs are great- will run more than an alarm system per month in feeding (and training if you hire someone). Also liability, make sure fencing to on point because if they get out and tear the spandex off some poor bicyclist, it will be costly.
Little yapping dogs like chihuahuas.. These dogs bark at everything, and some will even work up enough nerve to bite. A pack of chihuahuas can be great out in a desolate area. When large dogs gets overly hot/exhausted, they will become lazy- sometimes even in the winter time. One dog is a target, two is a team, 3 is a pack to be reckoned with.
You mentioned desolate area- consider also a flock of geese. Geese alert to every little change in the landscape, and they're just as loud as a dog.
Consider a thorny hedge as a perimeter, like hawthorn maybe, or even cactus. Takes some time to establish, but you can get creative with this so it's also pleasing to the eye. In a few year it would fill in nicely. No shrubs etc within 5 feet of the house, good for people to hide behind. Also going back to rural/desolate areas- check your legalities etc but electric fencing/netting like those use for livestock. Easy to run... also easy to cut.. but with an alarm sign, a "caution, electric fence" sign, as well as "caution: dogs" and something to the effect of "you are within range"/"i love my mossberg" along the perimeter/fences, as a burglar this is sensory overload.
Finally, have a used beater car parked at all times in different areas- move it every few days, use a light or tv on a timer, always give the appearance that someone is there. And if patients visit, put the dogs up, don't let any slickster come in and play nice guy, give a treat and pet your dogs- only a select few can be pack leader and you never know when someone may be trying to compromise your dogs which are your first line of defense. If I had lots to invest, a solid perimeter fence would be awesome, one with inability to stick shoes in an climb, I forget the name.
Alarm/surveillance systems- something like Simplisafe is actually pretty cool- window/door sensors, very loud alarm. No system is without its faults though, even these have their faults, it's just a layer in the onion. If you're far out enough to test sweeping/clearing the location while the alarm is on and adrenaline is flowing, you'll have the upper hand in a real situation. For surveillance, look into the vandal proof domes, 180 degree cameras in corners etc, and use a friend or do it yourself- no matter how professional the company is, people love to talk about the last awesome gig they did and what they saw. The technology these days on cameras is pretty awesome- see if you can even get one with decent zoom to pickup license plates going down the street, or even faces as they approach before realizing there are cameras- all it takes is one good shot to identify the perp.
Windows - outsides of the windows if not barred (at least the rear/backyard for example where no one passing by can see an intruder) should at minimum have roses or thistles surrounding.
Large trained dogs are great- will run more than an alarm system per month in feeding (and training if you hire someone). Also liability, make sure fencing to on point because if they get out and tear the spandex off some poor bicyclist, it will be costly.
Little yapping dogs like chihuahuas.. These dogs bark at everything, and some will even work up enough nerve to bite. A pack of chihuahuas can be great out in a desolate area. When large dogs gets overly hot/exhausted, they will become lazy- sometimes even in the winter time. One dog is a target, two is a team, 3 is a pack to be reckoned with.
You mentioned desolate area- consider also a flock of geese. Geese alert to every little change in the landscape, and they're just as loud as a dog.
Consider a thorny hedge as a perimeter, like hawthorn maybe, or even cactus. Takes some time to establish, but you can get creative with this so it's also pleasing to the eye. In a few year it would fill in nicely. No shrubs etc within 5 feet of the house, good for people to hide behind. Also going back to rural/desolate areas- check your legalities etc but electric fencing/netting like those use for livestock. Easy to run... also easy to cut.. but with an alarm sign, a "caution, electric fence" sign, as well as "caution: dogs" and something to the effect of "you are within range"/"i love my mossberg" along the perimeter/fences, as a burglar this is sensory overload.
Finally, have a used beater car parked at all times in different areas- move it every few days, use a light or tv on a timer, always give the appearance that someone is there. And if patients visit, put the dogs up, don't let any slickster come in and play nice guy, give a treat and pet your dogs- only a select few can be pack leader and you never know when someone may be trying to compromise your dogs which are your first line of defense. If I had lots to invest, a solid perimeter fence would be awesome, one with inability to stick shoes in an climb, I forget the name.
blackforest
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Setup a device that can trigger a can of bear spray. Guaranteed they will leave...
Or post these around the place.
Or post these around the place.
So about security, patients knowing grow location etc. when you are elected as someone's grower in the US legal states, is it possible to register so that they don't know where it's being grown, and you simply transport their medication to them? I can certainly see how this is great for accountability, but did the governing authorities not think about the security ramifications as well??
Good point... didn't know the OP was in an illegal state, wasn't paying attn to location. perhaps an alarm system without the loud siren that does not go to alarm company or alert PD. maybe something that simply alerts the homeowner via chime/beep that a window or door has been opened/broken. surveillance system that you can watch from phone (and definitely the streaming off-site idea)
Or better yet, the alarm isn't a beep or siren, but the sound of multiple angry men loading shotguns and yelling "ON THE COUNT OF 3, OPEN FIRE"
WeekendSupervisor
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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/prison-sale-photos/
This actually happens! It's not unreasonably priced either.
nomofatum
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Barred windows, upstairs and down. Obvious security camera on each side of house, protected inside metal mesh. Heavy steel doors, reinforced steel deadbolt "socket" or whatever the word is, mounted to house frame with lag bolts. Make it so they would have to work hard and make noise in plain sight, under a camera. That should take care of all common thugs, except the smart ones who just cut a hole (cordless circular saw) in your wall if it's not brick or concrete.
GroErr
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Ha, even the cops couldn't get in
panhead
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If you dont have alot to spend put up a couple decoy fake cameras along with an alarm company sign so they think you had a system installed , you can buy motion sensing fake cameras that follow movement & blink a bright red LED pretty cheap , the camera isnt the deterent its the thought you had a good security system installed , the alarm co signs are a reminder & some cheap stick on $5 home depot window alarms add to the sophisticated alarm system ruse .
You can put up tamper proof motion sensing lights up where outdoor lights are allready in place , they have a thick wire mesh attached with screws over the bulbs , you can also hook up lamps & radios within the home to timers ,then have them come off & on every 15 minutes so it looks & sounds like somebody is mulling about the house . Even if your cars gone & they know it the lights & sounds going off & on frequently will make anybody think twice.
Basement & garage windows can be covered with plywood from the inside & pre painted any color so it dont show until your peeking in & wont make your house look bad .
For your doors they make a brace that attaches a pole to the inside of the door & the other end is adjustable & wedges itself into the floor if the door is opened ,they work great too , if your not sure what im talking about its the same principal as putting a chair under the door knob only much stronger , you just attach a bracket to the door & slip the iron bar/pole in when you leave via another door , obviously you have 1 door still unprotected to get in & out ,leave your most visable door without the ( door clubs ) .
Most doors are weak because of the way they are installed , using 2 inch long flat deck screws in place of the shit factory screws adds alot of strength , you can then add the brass reinforcement plates over where the deadbolt & door locks penetrate & lock into the door frame itself , they also make nice looking brass reinforcement plates that go around the door where the door knob lock & dead bolt go thru the door , these keep the door from seperating then opening when being kicked in ,the brass plates add alot of strength to the door .
Any entry doors with large windows should be replaced with steel doors with windows too small to crawl thru .
For windows you can buy real storm shutters that you can lock after they are closed & they look much nicer than the fake shutters on many houses , the wooden ones look nice , you may have to order the shutters because they are normally sold in costal areas , the wooden storm shutters wont look like shitty iron bars & cost about the same ,they make your house look nice instead of a fortress & a fire escape hazard .
Thats all DIY stuff that any handyman can accomplish , if those methods aren't what you need than an alarm with atleast 2 loudspeaker sirens is your next best option .
You can put up tamper proof motion sensing lights up where outdoor lights are allready in place , they have a thick wire mesh attached with screws over the bulbs , you can also hook up lamps & radios within the home to timers ,then have them come off & on every 15 minutes so it looks & sounds like somebody is mulling about the house . Even if your cars gone & they know it the lights & sounds going off & on frequently will make anybody think twice.
Basement & garage windows can be covered with plywood from the inside & pre painted any color so it dont show until your peeking in & wont make your house look bad .
For your doors they make a brace that attaches a pole to the inside of the door & the other end is adjustable & wedges itself into the floor if the door is opened ,they work great too , if your not sure what im talking about its the same principal as putting a chair under the door knob only much stronger , you just attach a bracket to the door & slip the iron bar/pole in when you leave via another door , obviously you have 1 door still unprotected to get in & out ,leave your most visable door without the ( door clubs ) .
Most doors are weak because of the way they are installed , using 2 inch long flat deck screws in place of the shit factory screws adds alot of strength , you can then add the brass reinforcement plates over where the deadbolt & door locks penetrate & lock into the door frame itself , they also make nice looking brass reinforcement plates that go around the door where the door knob lock & dead bolt go thru the door , these keep the door from seperating then opening when being kicked in ,the brass plates add alot of strength to the door .
Any entry doors with large windows should be replaced with steel doors with windows too small to crawl thru .
For windows you can buy real storm shutters that you can lock after they are closed & they look much nicer than the fake shutters on many houses , the wooden ones look nice , you may have to order the shutters because they are normally sold in costal areas , the wooden storm shutters wont look like shitty iron bars & cost about the same ,they make your house look nice instead of a fortress & a fire escape hazard .
Thats all DIY stuff that any handyman can accomplish , if those methods aren't what you need than an alarm with atleast 2 loudspeaker sirens is your next best option .
Medicanman
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Multiple layers are a great idea. It doesn't have to be expensive.
You can buy a decent wireless non-monitored wireless alarm system for a few hundred bucks. Get one with a loud siren and an auto-dialler that calls you or a trusted friend/neighbour.
An IP based camera system is a great tool. Few a few hundred dollars you can buy multi unit camera system that will email you a photo when motion is detected and send video to an offsite location as well as keep it on a DVR.
With both you effectively have two alarm systems. Put some discrete stickers and signs in the windows for the dumb ones. Don't overdo it. It attracts attention. Cops may wonder what you are hiding in there.
One dog that barks is enough. It only needs to be a warning to you and a deterrent to them. If a person has a plan to deal with a dog it doesn't matter if its a pitbull or a poodle. It costs too much money to buy, train and maintain a real guard dog. A half-trained ghetto pony is a liability. An expensive, well trained dog can also be a liability.
Strong doors and good locks are ok. Doesn't matter how good they are, if they want in bad enough they can usually get in a window. Its hard to secure windows in a house without making it look weird and obvious. That's why alarms and cameras are important. They deny thieves time and greatly increase the risk. Someone who wants your stuff bad enough and is willing to go through the trouble of trying to counter it is going to be a problem regardless of the methods you can legally use.
The most important thing you can do is keep quiet. Best plan is to tell no one. If you have to tell people, only tell the ones that NEED to know. Don't brag, don't show off. Don't have sketchy friends over. People LOVE to gossip. If you can't keep yourself from telling someone, how can you expect someone else to keep their mouth shut. If the wrong person overhears you could wake up some night with a gun in your face.
You can buy a decent wireless non-monitored wireless alarm system for a few hundred bucks. Get one with a loud siren and an auto-dialler that calls you or a trusted friend/neighbour.
An IP based camera system is a great tool. Few a few hundred dollars you can buy multi unit camera system that will email you a photo when motion is detected and send video to an offsite location as well as keep it on a DVR.
With both you effectively have two alarm systems. Put some discrete stickers and signs in the windows for the dumb ones. Don't overdo it. It attracts attention. Cops may wonder what you are hiding in there.
One dog that barks is enough. It only needs to be a warning to you and a deterrent to them. If a person has a plan to deal with a dog it doesn't matter if its a pitbull or a poodle. It costs too much money to buy, train and maintain a real guard dog. A half-trained ghetto pony is a liability. An expensive, well trained dog can also be a liability.
Strong doors and good locks are ok. Doesn't matter how good they are, if they want in bad enough they can usually get in a window. Its hard to secure windows in a house without making it look weird and obvious. That's why alarms and cameras are important. They deny thieves time and greatly increase the risk. Someone who wants your stuff bad enough and is willing to go through the trouble of trying to counter it is going to be a problem regardless of the methods you can legally use.
The most important thing you can do is keep quiet. Best plan is to tell no one. If you have to tell people, only tell the ones that NEED to know. Don't brag, don't show off. Don't have sketchy friends over. People LOVE to gossip. If you can't keep yourself from telling someone, how can you expect someone else to keep their mouth shut. If the wrong person overhears you could wake up some night with a gun in your face.
thatguytom
Active Member
There is a door stopper on Amazon for 40$ that along with surveillance with the DVD recorder In a remote place or in a safe*bolted down* that's not moving anytime also if children are factors use planned routine like on kindergarden cop.I have a two year old son who I love more than life it's self but with out my meds keeping me sane I'd not have my wife still be with me for I'm unpleasant occasionally when ocd hits are at a high or when I have panic attacks over the silly things most would consider Minor.... But I was ex military for an elite unit in the army which I won't mention but I'd anyone or anything needs any advice I'd be more than glad to help on plans,what to look for in counter surveillance, tips to know if someone been in your area, diversions, etc my mind is a wild thing that scares myself and others how much and off the wall knowledge I can provide and help with I've dealt with security issues my entire life and paranoia so if got a question feel free to ask lol but I'm still fairly new to growing though lol just wanted to offer help like the great people that have helped me on roll it up. Again if anyone just wants a couple ideas or needs a different point of view I will always help how you take or use my thoughts and suggestions will he up to you I'm never going to say I'm a 100% because no body or thing is science and evolution is always changing our so called facts so my ideas either will work for ya or you will customize to your needs and liking but I ensure you if listen you will learn something just a matter of what you do with it..
howsitgrowin420
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there is nothing helpful in your post, just criticism.
Of course, you offer no solutions because then someone might criticize you.
Golly, I see people who robbed banks on the news every day and it is usually the camera that leads to them being caught......even without a face showing.
"just filming yourself getting fucked" you are just trying to be antagonistic and condescending. It's not like the video would help for insurance purposes.
Worth thousands? No buddy, it isn't worth shit until it has been dried, cured, and sold. I guess you could reduce the number of suspects to which of the people who knew who now have a house that smells all skunky - or who look like they are lying. Just because you wouldn't be able to do anything with the information from video cameras doesn't mean nobody else would.
jijiandfarmgang
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Thanks for the ideas,
In my state your only aloud 5 patients. Who I generally trust. They claim to keep their mouth's shut, but I know they don't.
- Jiji
Yes I'm in a legal state. I cant speak for all states, but basically you shouldn't lie on paperwork. There is a freaking lot of red-tape, and you have to provide your own address/ID. There is a grey area in the law, and thats growing plants at another place. Having a separate dedicated growing facility would be ideal, but I don't make that kind of money. I'm currently limited to patients I can grow for.
In my state your only aloud 5 patients. Who I generally trust. They claim to keep their mouth's shut, but I know they don't.
- Jiji
Thank you for submitting your opinion.
I did offer solutions, a couple actually. I still think filming it just gets a nice home video of that person being fucked over, and cops have better things to do than go looking for some dope grower's plants. At least I really hope they are using their time better than that.
FBI has video and pictures of peoples faces from robberies many years ago in these banks you spoke of, and they still have no fucking clue who these guys are. Some dope grower is gonna have better luck with a lesser camera and local police? Oh, okay.
Insurance on a pot plant? What insurance company is doing this? Never heard of that before.
Criticized in an anonymous format? Is that where some random avatar strikes back with a difference of opinion? Do people really care about such things these days?
LurchLurkin
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Go buy a cheap car on it's last leg and either paint it yourself or have maaco or someone put on a single stage acrylic enamel and leave it in your driveway, looks like someone's home. Also, you can get random lamp timers that turn lights on in your home randomly
jijiandfarmgang
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I can purchase all the insurance coverage I want and would expect everything be refunded for replacement value, except weed. All rippers would want to steal is the weed.
Therein lies the rub.
- Jiji