How do you get fat and denser colas???

yemeneezer

Well-Known Member
Nug size and density have alot more to due with the strain and genetics of the specific seed or clone you have.
I work at a dispensary and have grown both Head band and Blue Dream, They both are heavy yielders with Blue Dream being much higher yielding, but not as dense.

1) start with a known heavy yielding strain and reputable source.
2) Light, Light Light! Its hard to give Marijuana to much light
3) Co2 1200- 1500 ppm you can double your yields.........all though most people gain about 30%
4) Nutrients your using sound fine, do some research on the strains your growing, some strains can handle much more supplementation then others!

Good Luck.

herb.jpgDSC_0119.jpgThese are Gods Bud grown from clones at Chronic Pain Releaf Center of Long Beach.
4oz dry weight each plant!
 

H2grOw

Active Member
I am by no means an expert, but on the molasses subject, I do recall reading somewhere that plants can only absorb the simplest of sugars through their roots. In order to be absorbed by the plant, more complex sugars must be broken down first, usually by bacteria and organisims in the soil. The cell membranes on the roots act like the membrane in a RO water purifier. Particles below a certain size can pass freely back and forth, but larger ones are filtered out. This is just what I read, so take it with a grain of salt.
 

Uncle Ben

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I am by no means an expert, but on the molasses subject, I do recall reading somewhere that plants can only absorb the simplest of sugars through their roots. In order to be absorbed by the plant, more complex sugars must be broken down first, usually by bacteria and organisims in the soil. The cell membranes on the roots act like the membrane in a RO water purifier. Particles below a certain size can pass freely back and forth, but larger ones are filtered out. This is just what I read, so take it with a grain of salt.
True. The molecule is too large to pass the root epidermal gradient. IMO, molasses apps to soil is a waste of time and money. "Some say" it feeds the soil microbes. So does pissin' into your pot. :D

UB
 

lbezphil2005

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ok guys, so i been through two very successful harvest(potency), however, both harvest, was grown outdoor, but the second one very last part was finished indoor in led.
First time strain was headband and jack herer both are clone.

second time is blue dream which also was from a clone

both times, potency was awesome, but just was not the weight i expected.

Any suggestions to what i can do to improve my density and yield?

I use coco mixed with perlite.
bloom nutrients are
AN sensi bloom
botanicare hydroplex during late stage
liquid karma
cal mag from GH

I use nutrients every water and try to keep p.h. around 5.5-6.5
each time i add the nutrients i give usually half the suggest amount to 2/3rd

compare to the stuff i get at the dispensary, it is not even half the size of some of the nugs i see, which really frustrates me :cry:
What size pots you growing in? Get bigger pots, bigger pots = bigger roots = bigger buds, simple
 

lbezphil2005

Well-Known Member
Nug size and density have alot more to due with the strain and genetics of the specific seed or clone you have.
I work at a dispensary and have grown both Head band and Blue Dream, They both are heavy yielders with Blue Dream being much higher yielding, but not as dense.

1) start with a known heavy yielding strain and reputable source.
2) Light, Light Light! Its hard to give Marijuana to much light
3) Co2 1200- 1500 ppm you can double your yields.........all though most people gain about 30%
4) Nutrients your using sound fine, do some research on the strains your growing, some strains can handle much more supplementation then others!

Good Luck.

View attachment 1374990View attachment 1374991These are Gods Bud grown from clones at Chronic Pain Releaf Center of Long Beach.
4oz dry weight each plant!

what size pot was it grown in? the size of the pot is directly related to the size of the plant/bud
 

lbezphil2005

Well-Known Member
Thats untrue, molasses isn't absorbed by the plant whatsoever, it is used to feed the microherd
in the media.

Honestly I have never seen any solid weight come out of LEDs. Maybe use them for vegetation or

lighting. HIDs are just much more efficient per harvest. But LEDs do win in the energy bill.
kYou haven't been looking around the forums much. Check out Irishboys grows, also setting suns hid vs led grow. I do believe irishboy even one either plant or bud of the month, too, bro. And when i'm done with my harvest I'll be posting pics of some stuff done with a 600 watt LED that has 15 specturms including uv and 3 watt lights running over 2.5watts.
 

Shrubs First

Well-Known Member
kYou haven't been looking around the forums much. Check out Irishboys grows, also setting suns hid vs led grow. I do believe irishboy even one either plant or bud of the month, too, bro. And when i'm done with my harvest I'll be posting pics of some stuff done with a 600 watt LED that has 15 specturms including uv and 3 watt lights running over 2.5watts.
I also just received a 600 Watt LED unit with "15 different spectrums" from a representative
of a company and can't wait to blow it away with my 600watt HID. 110x 6 Watt bulbs.

Who said I won anything?
 

Viagro

Well-Known Member
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Honestly I have never seen any solid weight come out of LEDs. Maybe use them for vegetation or support
lighting. HIDs are just much more efficient per harvest. But LEDs do win in the energy bill.
That's simply untrue.

You are misrepresenting the facts. If you haven't seen, then you must not be looking, there are success stories everywhere. Like this one.
 

resinousflowers

Well-Known Member
That's simply untrue.

You are misrepresenting the facts. If you haven't seen, then you must not be looking, there are success stories everywhere. Like this one.
to be fair tho ive seen far more unsuccesful cases.many ppl always go back to hid lights after trying leds for flowering.but they do carry on using leds for veg.plus he didnt grow under hid and some under led.it was his friend who used a hid light.so the conditions he grew in compared to his friend may have been very different,plus he might have used better nutes and be a better grower.
many experienced growers like i said,go back to hids after trying leds because they were not happy with the results of the leds.
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
Once you have 50 watts/ sq. ft. or more, CO2 will REALLY help produce dense buds. If you can grow healthy plants and have good climate control, Co2 will work WONDERS!

In regards to sugars, foliar feeding of sugars, amino acids, and fluvic acids will not be hindered by the casparian strip and you will get much better results (or at least not be wasting money by putting it in your rez or soil. People still water that shit in though... but people do allot of stupid shit... especially "hobby" MJ growers.
 

Shrubs First

Well-Known Member
Once you have 50 watts/ sq. ft. or more, CO2 will REALLY help produce dense buds. If you can grow healthy plants and have good climate control, Co2 will work WONDERS!

In regards to sugars, foliar feeding of sugars, amino acids, and fluvic acids will not be hindered by the casparian strip and you will get much better results (or at least not be wasting money by putting it in your rez or soil. People still water that shit in though... but people do allot of stupid shit... especially "hobby" MJ growers.
Great input. I love fulvic foliars.
 

Shrubs First

Well-Known Member
That's simply untrue.

You are misrepresenting the facts. If you haven't seen, then you must not be looking, there are success stories everywhere. Like this one.
Yes, quite the success story. Thanks for showing me. I will be trying a 600W panel in my
home room shortly. So we'll be able to see what it does in the same room vs a 600W Halide
and a 600W HPS.
 

lukey boii

Active Member
ok guys, so i been through two very successful harvest(potency), however, both harvest, was grown outdoor, but the second one very last part was finished indoor in led.
First time strain was headband and jack herer both are clone.

second time is blue dream which also was from a clone

both times, potency was awesome, but just was not the weight i expected.

Any suggestions to what i can do to improve my density and yield?

I use coco mixed with perlite.
bloom nutrients are
AN sensi bloom
botanicare hydroplex during late stage
liquid karma
cal mag from GH

I use nutrients every water and try to keep p.h. around 5.5-6.5
each time i add the nutrients i give usually half the suggest amount to 2/3rd

compare to the stuff i get at the dispensary, it is not even half the size of some of the nugs i see, which really frustrates me :cry:
Molasses and foliar feeding.
 

Dirty Harry

Well-Known Member
I am feeling good and in the mood for a little humor...
Keep rubbing the plants with toilet paper. It worked on my ex wife. Her ass ballooned huge...I mean something you would see in Walmart huge. :)
But the above info is also good.
 
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