How to build Ebb n Gro Tutorial DIY
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k, so i subsribed to this when it first came out and for sum reason, it wasnt in my file... i just found it agn now at 6 in the morn.. i deff re-subcribed and will read this bitch tomorow.. but i want to know??? lookin at this set up... how long r ur vegging periods seeing as its 1plant per 5gal tank... kudos! jus lookin for my neext move and what suits me and my time schedual
morrisgreenberg
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rdwc is recirculation dwc, this is where larger net lids are used inside a larger bucket, flood and drain needs some kind of media, the flood times are dictated by what media you use, if using coco, you may flood once a day, pellets 3-6 times daily, with what you have in mind, adding a strong air pump and stone in each bucket and keep it filled with water to have roots always submerged, at this point it dont matter what size netlid u use, aslong as the roots and come thru, basically a RDWC system is a hybrid between a stand alon dwc bucket and the ebb and grow system, only thing is all the dwc buckets are interlinked just like the E&G system and constantly top fed and recirculated out the bottom tubing, but like i said, all buckets are full of water at all times....the draw back of this unit is have fun when its time to flush, still need a resivoir, need a crazy strong air pump and still need a feed pump, lots of hosing everywhere, the E&G has its brains in one bucklet, set it and forget it
morrisgreenberg
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heres where Fletch comes in, the linking of buckets is the easy part, this brain bucket cost $279 and contains a timer that you cant find in any hydro store... me and fletch are kinda like mineded we like to build stuff for cheap, i also ran aero systems just like his and guess what?...... i fell in love with this system, another benefit that the advertizers of this system should say is, flood and drain on tables and this model are totally different, on the drain cycle the volume of fresh oxygen getting sucked into the root zone is great, its basically a vacuum caused by the shape of a single bucket, basically bottle necking the air, and from what i understand roots give off waste gases that get pushed out on a flood cycle...the end result without no prior flood and drain exp is the happiest healthiest plants only i thought aero can achive this till the E&G, and i have tried them all, you will become bored to death from the no work involved when your up and running
whatapothead
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morris. so you would just buy some 3gal buckets rather than using the 6" net pot lids? i like the idea of having one res instead of multiple.
here is my current setup... two of these DWC setups in veg and two of these in flower so i can just move the lids into flower when i need to... but thats 4 res. that i have to manage and my grow is not located where i live so i need to get the easiest setup possible.
here is my current setup... two of these DWC setups in veg and two of these in flower so i can just move the lids into flower when i need to... but thats 4 res. that i have to manage and my grow is not located where i live so i need to get the easiest setup possible.
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SmokeyMcChokey
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i would buy the 3 gallon buckets you would be using way way way more water and nutrients and would most likely not be all that great for roots. they need somewhere to go in an ebb and gro system you could modify your set up to be a hybrid aero/ebb but once again is all that effort worth it? i would say no but ima lazy p.o.s. so it may just be me. imo Fletch forgot about us but as he mentioned there are identical tutorials on other sites. my only complaint is you really do end up using $100+ of hydroton a year and i dont een like to reuse them after one crop (break one open after you clean them an look at all the lil root bits in there)
any how im blazed so excuse the ramblin.
mrduke
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well guys i'dlike to share some of my experances with the original e&g. I bought this kit with no grow experance ever, it is the easiest thing to set up and grows some killer plants. I've sence tried tables and hempy buckets neither are close to the E&G. the standard 2gal. buckets have plenty of room for 3 1/2 footers. my first go with this setup was 12 bag seed clones under a 1000 hps which i cleared over 650grams. 
now i run it as the bottom row of a 2 shelf vertical room and the brain bucket collects all the run off from the other row. It kicks ass like this,3+ off 1600w. If you have queston just shoot.
now i run it as the bottom row of a 2 shelf vertical room and the brain bucket collects all the run off from the other row. It kicks ass like this,3+ off 1600w. If you have queston just shoot.Man, that's some great info!well guys i'dlike to share some of my experances with the original e&g. I bought this kit with no grow experance ever, it is the easiest thing to set up and grows some killer plants. I've sence tried tables and hempy buckets neither are close to the E&G. the standard 2gal. buckets have plenty of room for 3 1/2 footers. my first go with this setup was 12 bag seed clones under a 1000 hps which i cleared over 650grams.
Question: will flowering, how often/how many times do you flood while the lights are off during those 12 hours?
Thanks!
whatapothead
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mrduke. that was kind of my idea for this setup was to make it into a stadium grow with say 20-30 buckets in my 8x8x8 flower room.
say 6-8 buckets per level... two levels... and use two brain buckets and two res. the 2nd row res would be mounted on a stand so that it is level with the buckets.
do you have any pics of your grow/setup? i also have 1600w of hps to use.
say 6-8 buckets per level... two levels... and use two brain buckets and two res. the 2nd row res would be mounted on a stand so that it is level with the buckets.
do you have any pics of your grow/setup? i also have 1600w of hps to use.
Hank's Hooter
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Excited! Can't wait to get it together!
morrisgreenberg
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just go with same sized bucket within a bucket, save the net lids only for DWC,,,,roots hanging from the net lids may not be able to stand the 3-4 hours between floods without media, if it aint broke dont fix it, dont hybridize this system. once you get a hold of the controller bucket its the most idoiot proof system, thats why im an advocate of it =)
morrisgreenberg
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some claim to flood all through out lights out, i wouldnt adivse this, and some say you dont flood at night, i wouldnt advise this either, even though clay holds moisture well, but when the plants are mature and have a TREMENDOUS root ball, they will suck all that moisture up, i like to flood every 3 hours for 15mins at early stages,, depending on how many buckets in the system and older plants get 30min floods with one flood in the middle of the night for 15Man, that's some great info!
Question: will flowering, how often/how many times do you flood while the lights are off during those 12 hours?
Thanks!
mrduke
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i flood these every two hours during lights and none in the dark in veg i do eveery 3 hours.Man, that's some great info!
Question: will flowering, how often/how many times do you flood while the lights are off during those 12 hours?
Thanks!
mrduke
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you can get it done with one rez. it works killer heres a link to my setuphttps://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/193698-dukes-mini-vertical-monster.html
DragonPhoenix
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I've got a couple months experience with the system and it's amazing. I have had no problem flooding every 4 hours - remember that plants need water all the time, not just when the sun is out.
On another note has anyone found buckets to use similiar to the original? The two gallon buckets with the inner/outer? I'm not so interested in filling up a ton of 5 gallon buckets with hydroton but I am interested in a bunch of 2 gallon buckets. The expansion for the original kit is $80 for another 6 buckets (it comes with the grommets and tubing).
When I first looked at this system I thought that I couldn't save much $$$ by doing it myself. Has anyone looked at the total numbers added up? I mean how much it actually takes once you build the controller bucket, buy a 55 gallon bucket, buy the 24 buckets (2 for each of the 12 sites), and the tubing/grommets?
I'm just trying to figure out how much I could save building another one as opposed to buying one.
DP
edit - I just found the outer and inner buckets from hydrofarm's site for $4 each - so $8 for each bucket in bucket and that's without tubing/grommets and I realize that stuff is cheap. Here's where I found it. http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_master.php?category=27&brand=75&sort=default&resperpage=&mod=
On another note has anyone found buckets to use similiar to the original? The two gallon buckets with the inner/outer? I'm not so interested in filling up a ton of 5 gallon buckets with hydroton but I am interested in a bunch of 2 gallon buckets. The expansion for the original kit is $80 for another 6 buckets (it comes with the grommets and tubing).
When I first looked at this system I thought that I couldn't save much $$$ by doing it myself. Has anyone looked at the total numbers added up? I mean how much it actually takes once you build the controller bucket, buy a 55 gallon bucket, buy the 24 buckets (2 for each of the 12 sites), and the tubing/grommets?
I'm just trying to figure out how much I could save building another one as opposed to buying one.
DP
edit - I just found the outer and inner buckets from hydrofarm's site for $4 each - so $8 for each bucket in bucket and that's without tubing/grommets and I realize that stuff is cheap. Here's where I found it. http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_master.php?category=27&brand=75&sort=default&resperpage=&mod=
I was at the hydro store this morning and asked if I could buy the buckets(inner & outer) and they said that they sell it by the add-on kits only. I didn't feel like paying $76 bucks for $48 bucks worth of buckets.
I bought a 50L bag of hydroton and spent 2 hours cleaning 1/2 of the bag. I'll finish the other 1/2 tomorrow. Time to fire-up Bluey!!
I bought a 50L bag of hydroton and spent 2 hours cleaning 1/2 of the bag. I'll finish the other 1/2 tomorrow. Time to fire-up Bluey!!
MostlyCrazy
New Member
Bluey,
I'm going to use the Sure to Grow in 3" net pots for my e&f experiment. Washing hydrotron and conditioning the rockwool is no fun and greatly increases the risk for a newb to screw up and I was looking for a way around. I'll let you know how it goes. Here's a link.
http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=791&navid=60
I'm going to use the Sure to Grow in 3" net pots for my e&f experiment. Washing hydrotron and conditioning the rockwool is no fun and greatly increases the risk for a newb to screw up and I was looking for a way around. I'll let you know how it goes. Here's a link.
http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=791&navid=60
Hey Bro!!!!
I saw Sure to Grow's video on Youtube and it looks really cool. But then I started reading Lucas formula:
http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892
For a newbie, it took me a few minutes to understand how it all relates to E&F. You have to understand how fast it drains to get your cycles correct. Some mediums only get flooded once a week because they hold so much H2O.
Just wanted you to be aware.
Oh yea, what I like about Lucas formula, is that you DO NOT have to drain the main rez during the whole grow. This will save a ton in nutes!!
Check it out!!!
I should have all of my parts in by Friday(the levelers were shipped today out of Canada) and up & running by next Tuesday.
Peace!!
MostlyCrazy
New Member
But I like changing the res! I'm in the grow room anyway and I might as well be doing something! They don't call me mostlycrazy for nothing you know! Good info!