How to save 58% on nutrient costs using AN products and still grow huge buds.

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Situation420

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Hey guys I thought this might be helpful to those that are using a DWC or hydroponic reservoir system and the Grand Master Feeding Schedule or any other AN feeding schedule.
A Total 58.1% in reduced costs. Awesome if you ask me!
These are my results: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992 (keep reading if interested)
The main point is that you only make 4 res changes instead of 6 saving you around 33% of your costs associated with your plants during flowering. This is significant if you are spending about $1,200 or more when purchasing nutrients. If you are using the full grandmaster schedule at full strength this will reduce your total use of nutrients by 58.1% if you follow my recommended feeding strengths and save you about $700.00 if you spend around $1,200 on nutes. The formula to figure out how much you save is at the end of this post.

Here's how it's done: First off I don't add 2ml per liter of each product or 4ml per liter of the Connoisseur , I only use 1.25 ml per liter of the 2 ml suggested and 2.5 ml per liter of the recommended 4ml suggested for the Connoisseur A+B. My leaves are dark green and my ppm is around 1400 when I add my solution to my plants. Already cutting costs by 37.5 % but thats not what I'm talking about because you should have figured that out from the beginning when your ppm was 2000 (way to high) or more by following the recommended feeding schedule.If you look at the feeding chart for flowering using the AN Grandmaster Level the formula changes during weeks 2, 3, and 5 but not during weeks 4 and 6.

  • What I do is mix up my solution for Week 1 then change my res week 2 because you now have to add Big Bud.
  • Then when Week 3 comes around its now time to add B-52. So you change it again. Thats 3 res changes in 3 weeks because you want to keep the correct ratios needed during the different stages of growth.
  • Week 4 is exactly the same as Week 3. So what I do is add pH adjusted RO water all week until the beginning of week 4. I usually have leftover solution from week 3 and add 3 parts RO water for every 1 part of leftover week 3 solution I have. Doing this brings the ppm to about 500. I just add that to my buckets and finish the week off with pH adjusted RO water and this brings my ppm back up to 1400 ppm and hasn't had any negative impact on my plants.
  • When week 5 starts and its now time to add Overdrive and lose the Big bud. Do the same thing you did for week 4 for week 6 and you save yourself 2 out of 6 Res changes.
  • Week 7 is just Final Phase and is cheap anyway. Followed by RO water only for week 8.

If you want to verify that I am not underfeeding my plants or creating nutrient imbalances check out the couple of posts I made in the grow journal section. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992How
To calculate savings doing this: Say you use 2ml per liter of water you use. If you reduce it to 1.25 ml per liter you are only using 62.5% of what AN recommends. To get this, divide the amount of ml you use per liter by whatever the recommended amount is. Example: 1.25ml/2ml = 0.625 x 100% = 62.5%. Now take whatever you spend on nutrients and multiply it by 0.625 (or what your get). In my example $1,200 x 0.625 = $750.00 (Amount you are now using ) $1,200 - $750 = $450 in savings right off the bat. If you only have to change your nutrients 4 times now instead of 6 times reducing your amount by 33%. Take that $750 or whatever you got and multiply it by .33 ( $750 x 0.33 = $247.50 in savings ) Now take the $750 and subtract the $247.50 giving you you new cost of $502.50.To figure out your actual total percentage you save take your total initial cost ($1,200) and subtract your new cost ( $502.50). $1,200 - $502.50 = $697.50. Divide this by your initial cost ($1,200) To get your total savings in money and product usage. $697.50/$1,200.00 = 0.581 x 100% = 58.1% in reduced costs. FANTASTIC!

P.S. Don't skimp on the beneficial bacteria or voodoo juice. You also don' t have to change your res the whole time in veg and you can use half strength of the A+B Grow and B-52, just add 25% of what you added at first when week 3 starts and top off with RO water and adjust the pH.
Hope this helps out someone!​
 

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Situation420

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Sorry about the initial formatting I had to learn the html codes real quick to make it easier to read and highlight key points. Hope its better now!
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey guys I thought this might be helpful to those that are using a DWC or hydroponic reservoir system and the Grand Master Feeding Schedule or any other AN feeding schedule.
A Total 58.1% in reduced costs. Awesome if you ask me!
Ridiculous!

ill post up some pics in a few days their falling over so im kinda dealing with a big headache cuz the buds are too big for the branches

Yea $650 is a low end estimate too. By the time you end up adding all the micronutirents, enzymes, sugars, starches, proteins, ph buffers, and then the base nutrients along with rooting hormones and essential vitamins and amino acids and beneficial bacteria, your looking at around $650-$750 to operate a 100 gallon system for 2 months.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992

AN and the other Advanced Shysters love you!

Look, if you can't get better results with a $15 bottle of Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, without any of that other crap which does no good except to the pocketbook of hydro scalpers, then you need to try another hobby.

See my avatar? Cheap soil and a $3.00 box of plant food from Walmart resulted in a 6" diameter cola that was solid thru and thru. Absolutely NO air spaces in that cola - solid bud.

Uncle Ben
 

NietzscheKeen

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Ridiculous!



https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992

AN and the other Advanced Shysters love you!

Look, if you can't get better results with a $15 bottle of Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, without any of that other crap which does no good except to the pocketbook of hydro scalpers, then you need to try another hobby.

See my avatar? Cheap soil and a $3.00 box of plant food from Walmart resulted in a 6" diameter cola that was solid thru and thru. Absolutely NO air spaces in that cola - solid bud.

Uncle Ben
I have to agree. I have been using a complete fertilizer and my plants look great. It was when I started using the other bloom boosters, growth stimulants, bud hardeners, etc. (you know... to go ahead and use them up) that my plants started getting spots, yellowing, and showing signs of stress.

I've been using THIS and it seems to be doing GREAT! As long as you pay attention to the application rates and don't over do it.
 

Situation420

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Ridiculous!



https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992

AN and the other Advanced Shysters love you!

Look, if you can't get better results with a $15 bottle of Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, without any of that other crap which does no good except to the pocketbook of hydro scalpers, then you need to try another hobby.

See my avatar? Cheap soil and a $3.00 box of plant food from Walmart resulted in a 6" diameter cola that was solid thru and thru. Absolutely NO air spaces in that cola - solid bud.

Uncle Ben
Looks good man, but that is only one cola on one plant and not sure how long it took you to do that. I get my results in 7 weeks and have 3-6 colas like that on one plant. My point being, you have to spend money to make money, and you get what you pay for. Just 2 one ounce colas on one plant pays for all the nutrients i use anyway so whats the difference when you have 16 plants?
 

Situation420

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If you already own voodoo juice just microbe brew yourself and unlimited supply.
I always thought about that, how do you do it exactly I would love to know. I thought about it by brewing it in a bucket of bubbling water at a higher temp (82 degrees F) to speed up growth and replication and only add a capful of the voodoo and beneficials. I am just unsure oh how to guarantee myself that i am keeping my microbes alive long enough to impact my plants and I am growing a high enough concentration. I know to know the second part requires some differential equations but im looking for a tried and true methodology i can just do for myself using only AN products and maybe other simple household stuff.
 

Uncle Ben

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Looks good man, but that is only one cola on one plant and not sure how long it took you to do that. I get my results in 7 weeks and have 3-6 colas like that on one plant. My point being, you have to spend money to make money, and you get what you pay for. Just 2 one ounce colas on one plant pays for all the nutrients i use anyway so whats the difference when you have 16 plants?
I don't spend money and I make money.
 

HeartlandHank

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OP, I bet you could throw in some H&G Aqua + Cal Mag, or Dyna Gro GROW alone and get the same results.

I know it's easy to get carried away with this and that... with all the marketing us mj growers see. Give it a try sometime and you'll be surprised.

You could prbly even just use AN base nutes and do well... The only reason I hesitate to say AN base nutes is that I am guessing with so many different bottles in their complete line I wonder how incomplete just the base nutes are.

What kind of results are you seeing? What kind of yields, light used, what mj variety?

My feelings on the return on investment related to your efforts aside, for someone set on this grandmaster schedule it looks like great info.
 

HeartlandHank

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650 - 750 for 2 months with a 100 g system? Holy shit! I probably spend that in a year with a 4k continuous flower room. Less than that in a year, actually.

Yeah dude, you're going AN crazy over there. Damn.
 

Situation420

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650 - 750 for 2 months with a 100 g system? Holy shit! I probably spend that in a year with a 4k continuous flower room. Less than that in a year, actually.

Yeah dude, you're going AN crazy over there. Damn.
ALright heres the deal, I used GH flora and micro and bloom and most of there additives but when mixing them i found they tended to lockup more and make more nutrient salts and have more pH swings. I also used botanicare products as well. I found the silica blast from botanicare that is necessary for alot of things destroyed my solutions if i mixed them the way they recommended, even if i added them before everything. I now use products from all three manufacturers based on the best cost and what results they have. The AN products also blend very well and have a few products not available from other manufacturers that are amazing when it comes to essential oil production. If i am using mainly AN products, and a cheaper competitors product is the same i will use the AN because it blends so well and remains in suspension far better than any other product. The Connoisseur A+B also have pH perfect that make pH balancing sooo much easier. NO other company has that. I would rather spend the extra money for convenience and reliability
 

HeartlandHank

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convenience.. ok.
reliability? you have had issues with suspension with other products? enough that you needed a new product?

hey man... it's your crop. have fun with that.

I did the math quick... I'm spending $5 per dry lb harvested. That's nutrients, pest control and ph down.

Edit: ok... that's not exactly true...

I'm spending $5 (from wk1 of flower to harvest) per lb harvested. On nutrients and ph down. This is with my two highest yielding plants... both 8 wks..
 

Situation420

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Your growing in soil....if i grew in soil i would only have to use about $150 worth of AN products. I have to dump out my res, u do not, you ph and buffers in your soil, i have to add mine, you are comparing dicks to pussy's
 

HeartlandHank

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Your growing in soil....if i grew in soil i would only have to use about $150 worth of AN products. I have to dump out my res, u do not, you ph and buffers in your soil, i have to add mine, you are comparing dicks to pussy's
That figure was for my coco garden...

Still.. how many res changes do you do for a crop?
 

HeartlandHank

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Well man, you like what you like... I'm not there to see what your results are... just seems like a lot of cash to me.

400 gal of Dyna Gro will run you about $20-$30. But, maybe you're getting better results.

I'm playing with H&G again right now. Trying to compare some nutes to DG.

$700 is a whole lot of money. What kind of yields do you see from the 100g system?
 
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