HeartlandHank
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Sorry.. I had a dick moment. haha. For real though, sorry about that.
I've been on meds for a bit and I'm coming off them... it's been getting the best of me.
How to save 58% on nutrient costs using AN products and still grow huge buds.
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I've been on meds for a bit and I'm coming off them... it's been getting the best of me.
AllEyeDoIsSmoke
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Man I was bout to get at you bro, glad u recanted your blabber. Anyway situation sounds pretty damn smart. I read a couple comments n threads he started n he seems to know wtf he's doin and talkin about.
Situation420
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If you are comparing Dyna Gro to AN u can only compare costs for the Sensi Grow A+B which also has the pH perfect that Dyna Gro does not. Therefore it would cost me $80 to use just that product that has the same breakdown as dyna grow in terms of what elements are in it. The pH perfect allows for the perfect availability for your plants nutrient uptake at all times giving you the maximum possible efficiency of your nutrients.Secondly, you should be using DynaBloom for your flowering because its lower nitrogen content. You are reducing your harvest drastically. I looked up Dyna Gro and it would cost me $46 for the same concentration of available nutrients. The quality of 2 the products is far different.
Here this is my system https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992
I get about 1900-2200 grams running 2 hps light on their 750 watt setting.
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HeartlandHank
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Oh, ok that's 2 750s with a light mover and co2.. i got ya.
I've ran Dyna Bloom. Yields don't go up. But really, I didn't need to run Bloom to know that. It's basic botany and understanding what plant we are dealing with here. A tropical(ish) foliage plant. That whole low N deal is all a bunch of BS... started by mj growers spread through the ages... from one newb to another.
I see your pics... That is really a 4.5 lb grow?
HeartlandHank
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I apologize for the tone... but what I said I meant. Just take away the shut up part...
HeartlandHank
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AN is no more higher quality than DG and produces no higher quality of buds..
Here are some DG buds... This was a test grow of Killing Fields.. first time growing it.. not a clone I had worked for a while...
Do these look like a lower quality? Sit these pics next to your pic up there. What do you think?
quality of buds is much more genetic than a result of your fertilizer. Your fertilizer (assuming it doesn't kill your plants) has almost nothing to do with the resin content of your buds. Essential oil production?? Please... you buy into that?
Dude, you are throwing your money away, straight to AN. Damn.. I wanna sell you your fertilizers.. It would be a nice little side income.
It's your garden though. It's your money.
You can and I have grown killer buds with Home depot foods like Vigoro and Miracle Grow. AN's high quality speel is nothing but successful marketing aimed at MJ growers.
If the return on investment was for real... you would see commercial ag using AN products. You don't... there is a reason for that.
Here are some DG buds... This was a test grow of Killing Fields.. first time growing it.. not a clone I had worked for a while...
Do these look like a lower quality? Sit these pics next to your pic up there. What do you think?
quality of buds is much more genetic than a result of your fertilizer. Your fertilizer (assuming it doesn't kill your plants) has almost nothing to do with the resin content of your buds. Essential oil production?? Please... you buy into that?
Dude, you are throwing your money away, straight to AN. Damn.. I wanna sell you your fertilizers.. It would be a nice little side income.
It's your garden though. It's your money.
You can and I have grown killer buds with Home depot foods like Vigoro and Miracle Grow. AN's high quality speel is nothing but successful marketing aimed at MJ growers.
If the return on investment was for real... you would see commercial ag using AN products. You don't... there is a reason for that.
genuity
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update that pic,with something new.....anybody can grow some nug,with any kind of nutes,they all work,some better than others...all of them get money from us..how much you think it cost to make dyna gro? or any other nute?
HeartlandHank
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I bet AN spends more on their labels and marketing per unit than the fertilizer itself..
I think Urea derived, ACTUAL nitrogen, something like 60-70 cents per lb?
I'll be honest... I could be waaay off here. Just some google and a very limited understanding of how to make nutrients.
HeartlandHank
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I've derailed this thread enough though... good luck man.
$700 per crop though... damn.
$700 per crop though... damn.
burgertime2010
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I am really just curious as to when the nickel and dime logic started really making sense around here? I mean specifically...the illusory trend of short term economic compromising. Products that are insignificantly cheaper are touted as "identical" to those like Advanced and seem to be gaining popular appeal. The Dyna-Grower emerges out of this landscape convinced that there is absolutely no merit to additives and no blowback in terms of yeild or quality. I am not sure that the barometer of savvy growing is shaving off dollars here and there. If a product is superior? If yeild increases? If vigor is sustained? these are questions....thrift is appealling and sensible but at what cost?? In hypothetical terms, a lot is at stake for people who prioritize their grow room infrastructures based on cost. The extreme modalities ie; All purpose 1 part nutrient or 12 part AN deluxe solutions are a tail-chasers dream....the constant echo of what could have been, what didn't matter, and what works? will continue the dreadcry so long as we let it. I am not here to support one or the other outright but rather to challenge the growers to invest properly. By this, I mean the cost-benefit analysis based on the growers needs for optimum conditions as well as appealing arithmetic. To run a tight ship the master grower needs repeatability eventually. The constant tinkering and switching of products used or unused makes for a long term issue in this regard. So, what to do??? Take notes....work towards principles of economy by letting your garden thrive to it's potential.
Uncle Ben
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The science of it all will set you free. The marketing hype and your dreams will enslave you.
You have a choice.........
burgertime2010
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In effect, all I want is to be set free. I understand how this reads and your opinion on the matter. I am merely reacting to what I see happening in others and, like me, science could set free also. Nobody knows every product and the science it operates upon. To claim anything is hype before observing is not science. I have no interest in reinventing or consuming.
hyroot
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I grow in soil. Spend less than $300 a year
50 lbs. Shrimp meal $50
100 lbs rock dust $20
50 lbs. Kelp meal $75
50 lbs neem cake $75.
2 bales of pro mix 13.2 cu ft $62
I have 2 worm bins making my own vermicompost. Sometimes I will buy a bag of eco scraps compost from home depot for $5 . That lasts a month.
I do recycled organic living soil. So I buy soil once a year.
When I did hydro I ran botanicare it cost me $250 every 6 months
Situation420 and AllEyeDoIsSmoke is the same person. He is a troll that goes around giving bad info and bad mouthing others. He works for some hydro shop trying pull people in.
Don't fall the hype. Only shop at farm supply stores
50 lbs. Shrimp meal $50
100 lbs rock dust $20
50 lbs. Kelp meal $75
50 lbs neem cake $75.
2 bales of pro mix 13.2 cu ft $62
I have 2 worm bins making my own vermicompost. Sometimes I will buy a bag of eco scraps compost from home depot for $5 . That lasts a month.
I do recycled organic living soil. So I buy soil once a year.
When I did hydro I ran botanicare it cost me $250 every 6 months
Situation420 and AllEyeDoIsSmoke is the same person. He is a troll that goes around giving bad info and bad mouthing others. He works for some hydro shop trying pull people in.
Don't fall the hype. Only shop at farm supply stores
Situation420
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Exactly, I use AN because i can knowingly add everything a plant needs to grow including enzymes, sugars, starches, the list goes on and on. You can grow frosty green bud in poland spring water with a cfl and a dixie cup filled with dirt, that means nothing. It comes down to taste, potency, and aroma, and high.
Yea AN is more expensive but no other brands solutions suspend themselves in water for as long as AN products or balance the pH allowing for maximum nutrient efficiency. pH is the #1 robber when it comes to a harvest.
You get what you pay for. Everything AN or any other company has can be derived naturally for free anyway. I don't have the time or knowledge of how to do that myself so I would rather shell out the extra money to leave the pain in the ass chemistry tweaking out of it all.
chuck estevez
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Just finished weighing my last grow, I used only foliage pro, i pulled a 1/4 lb per plant DRY and that was off of a vortex which is known to not be a big yielder. I used promix and EWC's. In flower, i never fed over 1000ppm, but I fed with every watering. EFFFFFE AN, they can suck it.
Situation420
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Also all those people comparing costs for their soil grows is not the same thing. I grow in a hydroponics medium. It is a known fact that hydroponics mediums allow for maximum nutrient availability to the plants over soil. Comparing a hydroponics costs to soil costs is two completely different things
HeartlandHank
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Do you have anything at all to backup either of these statements? An AN pamphlet? Are you familiar with the term return on investment?
Does it have electrolytes too?
Situation420
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Basic chemistry knowledge backs this up and i used the term ROI in my first post..
HeartlandHank
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Basic chemistry knowledge explains that AN solutions stay suspended in water longer than any other brand? Do explain...
Basic chemistry knowledge explains that the #1 reason for lost yields amongst mj growers is incorrect ph? Do explain...
Basic chemistry knowledge explains that the #1 reason for lost yields amongst mj growers is incorrect ph? Do explain...
Situation420
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How come all my haters all post pictures of their scraggly plants claiming they are awesome and how good they are and how much cheaper they do it for. Then when I look at the people that like what i'm doing they have fat buds on thick stems and strong think plants?
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