Hps?

k-town

k-town

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thanks for all the reply's guys and videoman awesome looking plant you got there so after all your reply's and not too much thought I've decided to invest in a 400 watt HPS system and not hassle with all the cfl's and fixtures etc.! now my only problem is we are about to move so I have to put off my grow till' we get to the new place since I don't want to be moving marijuana plants through the city! lol but on the bright side maybe the new house will have a nice place to grow, I know I will certainly be looking for it!

peace and thanks k-town
 
babygro

babygro

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videoman40 said:
While you can use a conversion bulb,that is true. It surely is an additional expense.
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What part of my post where I said that all Digital and most new Magnetic coil ballasts can run both Metal Halide and HPS bulbs didn't you understand? I wasn't talking about conversion bulbs, I was talking about Metal Halide and HPS bulbs.

videoman40 said:
Where do you believe that the mazar is stretched....theres a picture right in front of you. It is not stretched at all, nor did they stretch, ever. Please share the humor for all of us baby, point it out. I'd love to see the "horrible stretching" you refer to. We all would. Mine harvested at about 30 inches with a fantastic yeild too.
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These pictures here show just how horribly stretched your plants were -

https://www.rollitup.org/39205-post65.html
https://www.rollitup.org/42701-post72.html

This was within the first two weeks of flowering and look at the distance between the internodes, they have to be about 3-4 inches wide for gods sake - how can that not be stretched? They look more like Sativas than Indicas. I say it again - Mazar is an Indica dominant and they grow short and bushy and have tight close internode spacing - NOT like the internode spacing you have on your plants.
 
babygro

babygro

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DoobsDay said:
do i need to explain? your the one saying hps lights induce strecthing. perhaps you have something more concrete to base this off of? lol the "research"
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You actually need to be able to see a plant that's been vegged under the correct spectrum light to understand how much stretching HPS lamps can cause. Clearly, you don't have that much experience yet, so can't understand what the 'cause and affects' are.
 
babygro

babygro

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Crayola said:
how the fuck did you get that thing to stay so short and bushy lol
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It's only 18 days old (as Videoman knows full well) and therefore hasn't grown enough yet to show the affects of stretching that HPS lamps can cause. Take a look at some of the later pictures and you'll see how wide the internodes are.
 
Bigbud

Bigbud

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babygro said:
You actually need to be able to see a plant that's been vegged under the correct spectrum light to understand how much stretching HPS lamps can cause. Clearly, you don't have that much experience yet, so can't understand what the 'cause and affects' are.
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do you have any pics of yours babygrow? to lazy to look for them

mine never got more then 1" apart -- apart from the few times i left the light off for 5 hours when it should have been on this happend a few times and yes i did notice it stretching then.!!
 
beenthere donethat

beenthere donethat

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If it starts to stretch (and it'll stretch the first 2 weeks of 12/12 anyway) I'm sure vidman has his shit together enough to just throw it into flower or top it. (Nice plant BTW, vman..looks a lot like an E47 cross and some Bubba Kush I have going right now).

then again, if stretch is the ultimate concern and growing bud isn't...he could just keep it under a CFL and wait 6 months for the 12/12 flip!

k-town..good call. A light that will grow an entire plant and then some rather than merely illuminate one leaf. You won't be sorry you put all your hard earned cash into an hps. Just size your final space right (a 3 x 3 closet would be perfect for a 400) and ventilate/circulate and you'll be smokin the stiicky iiicky in no time at all.

Something else to note...ammoniacal nitrogen will also make your plants stretch in veg (and high P in flower will do the same..especially early on in the cycle). Look for and apply NITRATE nitrogen and your stretch will be minimized and the plant will be much stockier/bushier overall.

good luck

bt dt
 
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DoobsDay

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babygro said:
You actually need to be able to see a plant that's been vegged under the correct spectrum light to understand how much stretching HPS lamps can cause. Clearly, you don't have that much experience yet, so can't understand what the 'cause and affects' are.
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lol this is hilarious, i mean you really think you can just look at videomans pictures and conclude that hps lights cause stretching? many factors could have caused the plant to stretch, and you say you have experience? or at least more than anyone else? once again you have nothing to back up what you say except bashing videoman and his plant.
 
Doobie Doo

Doobie Doo

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HPS does make a plant stretch I know from experience check out my grow log. When your growing indoor you do not want your plant to stretch for light penetration and the further apart the nodes are the harder it is to get a tight cola. I agree with Babygrow he does know his stuff and Vman knows his share to but his first grow did have some stretching this is not a dig Vman. I now use my MH light the first two weeks of flowering to keep my plants from stretching.
 
videoman40

videoman40

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A few points to make, however simple baby, I am sure you will understand them fully. I am not going to get into a debate with you over my plant vs your plant....as I'll kick your ass on yeild and potency. I guess what makes it even more pathetic is I yeilded more per plant than you, and from a "stretched" plant! I hardly think 2 inches constitutes stretching either. But thats just my opinion.

Moving on I will try to avoid most of what you debate here, as it is mostly rubbish. I find the worst part of this is, I am here because I was asked to help, and I enjoy helping the people here.....why, because most of the peeple here and myself have become friends. I want to learn more about growing and pass on what I do know. I get tons of PM's every day, and as hard as it is some days, I also answer each and every one of these PM's, and trust me, it's never one per member, its always 6 or 7 PM's each.
I don't belittle everyone in my path, as you do, just to make myself feel bigger. I simply feel better helping out.

You do say that it takes 8 weeks to reach sexual maturity. I can quote you too, But you always like to change your words to suit your argument. "You're getting your cause and effects mixed up, you didn't veg them for long enough! 30 days vegging just isn't long enough, these plants reach their sexual maturity in about 8 weeks vegetative growth, but you people always want to speed things up, always desperate for harvest."
As now your claiming you say it needs to reach sexual maturity, not that it takes 8 weeks huh? hmmmmmmmmmmm

I do make mistakes, but I have nothing to hide on my grows, unlike you. The lighting expert who burns his plant with a cfl. Theres reason why baby dosent have a journal here at this forum, or ever asks a question here, is he has to have the members here think he knows everything, and asking a ? would be a sign of weakness to you baby.

Worst of all, is that you spent the better part of a beautiful day, following my posts around on this board starting crap again.
On the other hand, I enjoyed today, sorry you missed it baby.

At this point it is more than appearant to me that you have a personal problem, and you need to come here to make yourself feel better....if this is the case baby, I do feel for you, and would love nothing better than to help you too.....

So I took the liberty of getting this information for you,
Good luck to you baby!
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babygro said:
It's only 18 days old (as Videoman knows full well) and therefore hasn't grown enough yet to show the affects of stretching that HPS lamps can cause. Take a look at some of the later pictures and you'll see how wide the internodes are.
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Crayola

Crayola

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haha vman, i have to say - god damnit haha that shit is a great way to end the debate lol. i personally thought your plants looked like the shit, and even if they weren't, hey, you got fucking baked from the love and care you gave to another living organism! if i didn't know any better, i would say that your first indoor grow was an awesome success, your plants obviously loved their master, otherwise, why would they give you such an awesome present at the end?

peace out man, happy april 20th!
:peace:
 
videoman40

videoman40

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Geez dude, your too cool! Thanks for the kind words buddy.
Peace
:peace:

Crayola said:
haha vman, i have to say - god damnit haha that shit is a great way to end the debate lol. i personally thought your plants looked like the shit, and even if they weren't, hey, you got fucking baked from the love and care you gave to another living organism! if i didn't know any better, i would say that your first indoor grow was an awesome success, your plants obviously loved their master, otherwise, why would they give you such an awesome present at the end?

peace out man, happy april 20th!
:peace:
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babygro

babygro

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videoman40 said:
A few points to make, however simple baby, I am sure you will understand them fully. I am not going to get into a debate with you over my plant vs your plant....as I'll kick your ass on yeild and potency.
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How do you know how much my plant actually yielded and how potent it was?

videoman40 said:
I guess what makes it even more pathetic is I yeilded more per plant than you, and from a "stretched" plant!
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How do you know how much my plant actually yielded? I've never told you or anyone on here what the yield was from my plant, but somehow you seem to think you know. Additionally, you think it's big of you to compare a yield from a 430w HPS against Envirolite cfl's?

videoman40 said:
Moving on I will try to avoid most of what you debate here, as it is mostly rubbish.
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It's actually mostly true and you simply don't like someone saying anything contrary to what you happen to think - well sorry - you don't know everything Videoman, you 'appear' to know more than the majority here, but that's not actually saying very much.

We're all here to help, I spend a fair amount of my time here helping people out and explaining to them the 'correct' way to do things rather than what happens to be most 'expedient' to them. If people don't want to grow correctly or grow in the way that will maximise the returns from their plants they don't have to take any notice of what I say - many don't, that's their prerogative.

videoman40 said:
You do say that it takes 8 weeks to reach sexual maturity.
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Different varieties reach sexual maturity at different times which is why you cannot set down a specific time frame for it to happen. Sexual maturity is reached when the nodes start alternating or about 6-8 weeks vegetative growth depending on variety. I see nothing in that statement in variance with what I've said previously.

videoman40 said:
I do make mistakes, but I have nothing to hide on my grows, unlike you. The lighting expert who burns his plant with a cfl.
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And you wonder why I rarely ask questions? Whenever I have asked one the answer that's come back has been wrong. Yes, I asked what the rusty brown spots were on the leaves on the top of my plant and the answer that came back was that the light was too close to the top of the plant despite it being 2-3 inches away. I was sceptical of that answer, but did move the light up and situation didn't get any better. I went away and researched it myself and found out it was a continuation of the Mg deficiency I'd had through the grow - I treated it for that and it stopped any more rust spots forming.

I also asked the question on another site (thankfully one you don't know about) and the answer I got from that site was to flush - also wrong advice.

Just goes to show that even the people who think they know everything get it wrong - that's why I rarely ever ask questions because I'd rather figure out the answer myself - I don't trust other peoples abilities.

videoman40 said:
Theres reason why baby dosent have a journal here at this forum, or ever asks a question here, is he has to have the members here think he knows everything, and asking a ? would be a sign of weakness to you baby.
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Not at all, see above for why I rarely ever ask questions. As soon as I start my next grow, I shall start a grow log here.
 
Bigbud

Bigbud

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But I < still dont see any pictures to bk up anything that your saying babygro.!! Common lets see what your plants look like, Why wont you say how much you yield? or is videoman right and you got/get less then he did on one plant ( with a bit of stretching )then you with all your plants put together.

Cant say you dont know you stuff as you seam to but then we all have the internet so its not to hard to look anything up.

But I will happily..... same as anyone share my grow with pictures but its the one thing you seam not to.
 
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DoobsDay

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babygro said:
How do you know how much my plant actually yielded and how potent it was?



How do you know how much my plant actually yielded? I've never told you or anyone on here what the yield was from my plant, but somehow you seem to think you know. Additionally, you think it's big of you to compare a yield from a 430w HPS against Envirolite cfl's?



It's actually mostly true and you simply don't like someone saying anything contrary to what you happen to think - well sorry - you don't know everything Videoman, you 'appear' to know more than the majority here, but that's not actually saying very much.

We're all here to help, I spend a fair amount of my time here helping people out and explaining to them the 'correct' way to do things rather than what happens to be most 'expedient' to them. If people don't want to grow correctly or grow in the way that will maximise the returns from their plants they don't have to take any notice of what I say - many don't, that's their prerogative.



Different varieties reach sexual maturity at different times which is why you cannot set down a specific time frame for it to happen. Sexual maturity is reached when the nodes start alternating or about 6-8 weeks vegetative growth depending on variety. I see nothing in that statement in variance with what I've said previously.



And you wonder why I rarely ask questions? Whenever I have asked one the answer that's come back has been wrong. Yes, I asked what the rusty brown spots were on the leaves on the top of my plant and the answer that came back was that the light was too close to the top of the plant despite it being 2-3 inches away. I was sceptical of that answer, but did move the light up and situation didn't get any better. I went away and researched it myself and found out it was a continuation of the Mg deficiency I'd had through the grow - I treated it for that and it stopped any more rust spots forming.

I also asked the question on another site (thankfully one you don't know about) and the answer I got from that site was to flush - also wrong advice.

Just goes to show that even the people who think they know everything get it wrong - that's why I rarely ever ask questions because I'd rather figure out the answer myself - I don't trust other peoples abilities.



Not at all, see above for why I rarely ever ask questions. As soon as I start my next grow, I shall start a grow log here.
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lol baby this is a crock of shit and you know it, guess what know one gives a shit, you and video can go struggle with one another else where. this has nothing to dowith the subject matter at hand, because you have nothing. your just wrong my friend, learn when to quit child.
 
rob butts

rob butts

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these posts are WAY too long for me to read, but babygro ive been vegging all my plants under a 400 watt HPS light and ive never had a problem with stretching, i guess if youre good at what you do that helps too. Good Luck Bro!
 
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