ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

So how long in freezer before grating approx....

Here are a couple pics. What a big room for a little machine. Send some hash pics sat or sun.

I loved Matts post lots of paper towels. I thought i was the only one that went through a roll of paper towels each run. LOL not quite a whole role but its happend.
Your right Mr Rize its probably my cheaper bags i got from the garden store. There Appolo bags i believe thats kinda what i was thinking about them thats why the 120 was the pay bag cause of incorrect micron sizes. Now im just gonna have to invest in the real bubble bags. Theres two very important lessons ive learned while i started growing the beautiful plant and extracting its beautiful resin. Patience is always a must and never go cheap always pay the little bit extra for the quality items.

I finally finished this thread from front to back and all I can say is WOW! Excellant work Matty Ice and everyone else who has contributed the great pictures and information contained in this thread. I am trying to get some equipment purchased before my next harvest and was wondering what some of your thoughts were on different bags. Are the bags sold on thetrimshop.org any good (the regular 8 bag 5 gal setup)? For the regular 5 gallon 8 bag set and the automatic machine it would only be $255.00 delivered. Seems like a pretty good deal IF they are quality products. If not I got a quote from the Pollinator for their machine and 8 bag 5 gallon set for $462.00 which I dont mind doing since they seem to be of pretty high quality and there is no denying their quality of product after all of the pics and vids Matt has up. Well thanks again for taking the time to help us patients learn to make a clean and outstanding product.
Tman

montanachadly said:

I loved Matts post lots of paper towels. I thought i was the only one that went through a roll of paper towels each run. LOL not quite a whole role but its happend.
Your right Mr Rize its probably my cheaper bags i got from the garden store. There Appolo bags i believe thats kinda what i was thinking about them thats why the 120 was the pay bag cause of incorrect micron sizes. Now im just gonna have to invest in the real bubble bags. Theres two very important lessons ive learned while i started growing the beautiful plant and extracting its beautiful resin. Patience is always a must and never go cheap always pay the little bit extra for the quality items.

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I also have apollo bags and did a run just half hour ago. I also find that the 120 mic was the pay bag, each time.

heres some pics

220 for the wash bag, then this was my 160:




now heres the thing... I sprayed the 160 bag lots since there was so much. by the time I fooled around and got it to the center to collect... there wasnt as much as the picture shows. i think thats why my 120 had so much. I wasnt able to spray the 120 because I fucked up the bottle spraying it on the 160 bag.







my 73 is always pathetic. the 45 isnt much better. the 25 is nice and very fine.. it looks tasty!

Kingharrod said:

So how long in freezer before grating approx....

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It's kinda a feeling/texture thing...run it across the microplane and it'll tell you if its ready. Freeze any and all tools needed to break down patties and you'll get it dialed!!

Wax on

freezer is to make it more able to be handled. i found out first hand dont press the patty in ur dry screen! i need to get some more paper towels now that i think of it...

why use paper towels? especially if youre using a full roll. I got by with 2 face cloths...

No love for the sham wow?

thats basically exactly what I use. a car shammy meant for drying. its works better than a thin ass paper towel that needs to get swapped out 40 times during the process, and doesnt create a garbage bag of waste each time.

either way. I have not been pleased with my bubble hash returns lately, and probably wont be making any more. with 100 grams of nice bottoms, I am guessing I got 10ish g of bubble hash. I mean, do you see what I got out of my 73 screen form 100 grams? pathetic!! gonna go out on a limb here, but I can smoke my 73 micron return in 1 giant morning hoot. if I were to have ran that 100g with butane, I could have gotten 20g of oil which, IMO, is more potent than my bubble hash and also lasts longer.. I can smoke a g of bubble hash in 4 hits. a gram of oil last about 25 hits.

I am gonna see if I can trade these bubble bags to a buddy for some "goodies"

I like the solventless part of the bubble bags... just not what the final product is. and yes im starting with nice stuff. maybe my technique could be off. I dunno.

Could be technique and also the strains your running. Like we where just saying about the different bags also. I know that the ice wax i make is far tastier than any BHO i have ever had and cleaner. I know this to be fact. Im not too concerned about how much i end up with because what i do end up with is top notch quality. With no nasty stuff added to it just ice and water naturally occuring fresh items. After smoking BHO and well made WAX theres really not any comparison for me. Taste alone factors very highly on my list. I know theres people that have labratory grade butane and a vac purge setup but there far and few between. There takes no skill to make BHO just a little Butane and your extractor. Making Ice wax is a skill that has to be honed over time with patience involved. I have a machine but my results thus far hand stirring have been better. A bit too much agitation in the machine i havent gotten it dialed in. Keep trying with the bubble. Did you take the time to break the buds up. I assume your meaning buds when you say lowers. I havent tried the popcorn buds yet just good trim that was covered in trichs. My popcorn tho i did cut all up tho not like you wud think but up the stem so not to cut into the resin heads. Dont give up vacpurge because when you do make your first full melt wax you wont ever wanna smoke BHO again.

no it was just very very sugary bottom of the bag crumbs.. its not just fan leaves or sugar leaves... its like half bud, bottom of the bag sorta stuff. but LOTS... like bottom of some growers 100 lb bag, he gets several lbs and I got 2 lbs of very very nice stuff. no buds. just crumbs. 20% return stuff with BHO.

I dont really see what it has to do so much with skill. I followed exactly what bubbleman and Matt Rize did in the video (except for the machine).. maybe thats the problem. I mixed it with a weak drill with a cake mix thingy on the end... I mixed nicely last time and used 200g of trim... wasnt happy with output. this time I mixed like a maniac. was out of breath and there was a ton of foam on the top. some could say I overmixed. and only used 100g. its very cold here. I had a little bit of clean snow too in the bucket which melted and overall the mixture was very fuckin cold. I stuck my hand in it and could only manage to keep it in for about 10 seconds.

ill admit, I have had full melt from a friend... while it was nice. ive never been a hash fan. I really do like my oil. so much tastier than even the full melt I had. maybe its just the taste of butane that I am addicted to haha.

10 seconds would do damage to my skinny arm the big machine!

I would keep trying. Get better input material that has not been mashed and manipulated so much. This is probably destroying your results before you even get started. Fresh frozen trim is the best and makes an absolute difference. Don't go back to the dark side just yet.

IMO unless you are starting with fully mature, organically produced, and properly harvested trichomes quality and yield will fall well short of true ICE WAX. Also there are certain cannabis varieties that lend themselves more toward melty amazing dabbable ice wax. Just as with any concentrate there is a learning curve and a wide spectrum of results based both on input and whether you are a hashmaker or a hashmaster. Big thanks to Matt for sharing his tech and enlightening all of us. RIZE UP!

dry and fresh frozen makes big difference...ill never run dry trim again

Thanks's Matt for sharing all your knowledge and keeping the purist alive!! I just did my first round with essential bags + a 160m. I had super awesome results following all of the technique on here plus a bit of my own theory. This was pulled from the 45m and 70m bags... Top notch full melt PK Ripper. Stirred by hand for about 10 min total. Stir 5 min let rest and stir 5 again. Wash well. I also did a round using the same process but only doing a 3 min vigorous hand stir. I will post pics of that too. The 3 min stir brought me the highest quality results. I was able to run the mash 3 times total pulling good full melt all times but the best came from the second run using a 3 min hand stir keeping everything VERY cold!....anyway I could go on and on but just wanted to say thanks to all contributors for saving me so much money and keeping this art alive!!! Peace and RIZE UP!!!!!

Glad to see you found the true Jedi's medicine/art!!

Wax on

Hey guys. What would be an average return on a pound (453 grams) of quality fresh frozen trim and popcorn buds. I'm talking highest quality ice hash. I've made some really great ice hash, the yield just seems low, curious what you guys are getting to see if I'm screwing up in some way.

Thanx

im no expert subbie. buy maybe my numbers will help you.

I used 200 grams, and my return was approx 16g... 8%, I wasnt happy.

for some reason, I decided to try it again.. only using 100 g this time, and my total return was like 7 grams... my 73m bag was like .7 grams... pathetic. thats like 2 hoots. that 100 grams woulda got me 20 grams of oil, enough for a month. instead, it made 3 days worth of hash.

maybe its my techniques. I dont know. but those are my numbers, which seem about normal, which is very low compared to BHO. its obviously quality vs quantity.

it would be different of my hash was full melt.. but as far as ive seen, its not even. so I got 7 grams of quarter melt out of 4 oz of nice bottoms. not cool!

I imagine if it was full melt, there would have been even less.

it was very cold, I had 20% snow (which melted to make super cold water), 60% ice, and 20% very very cold water. I mixed the hell out of it. didnt get ANY green coloring, its all white hash. not full melt (could be the strain)

but yeah... long story short. my return are 8% or less. so I would expect around 24 grams of hash from that full lb. which isnt much.

you are freezng your material before running it through the bags... I use the 220 120 73 25

qp of my dry bubba sugar trimmings nets me 7 -8 gs in the 5 gallon... most the 73 bag

LB nets a oz of bubble or more

Well crap. I am getting far less than you guys are, but what I am getting is one dab, on the couch for 3 hours. Here's what my setup looks like...

5 gallon machine, 8 bag set of Ice-O-Lator bags, I am making my own ice, and all the water is RO. Temps in the machine have been between 32-34f, I ran the inside bag about 1/2 way full. I did not put ice in the interior bag, maybe this is the issue? I feel the trim is high quality, maybe this is the issue?

First run 6 mins, scrap scrap. Second run 7 mins scrap scrap. Cleaned out the machine and squeezed inside bag after each run. I called it done from there and I am getting at least half the quantity you guys are.

Any thoughts?