ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

wow. all that invested and yet still only getting half the amount. I would be furious. sounds like killer stuff though... quality over quantity I guess.

I think my downfall might have been not freezing it before hand. I dont understand why that makes such a huge difference though if the material sits in the water for 20+ minutes total anyways. I imagine it un thaws within 2 minutes and turns to the same temperature of my bud after 5 minutes?

I like to see pics of what people are working with. some guys use giant leaves that have 1g of kief per 10 lbs... others use ONLY leaves that are absolutely crystalized. I personally consider that I use to be on the higher end of things... very very high quality bottoms. can chop it and smoke it hapily as joints. and yet, the return hasnt been great. either im getting my hopes too high, or my material isnt as good as I think it is!

2 lbs... and boy does this stink:




small leaves, tons of hairs, powdered bud (bottoms)










when chopped




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My trim looks way different. I do not chop it at all. My thoughts, and they may be incorrect are, the less I handle the trim (sugar leaves and popcorn buds) the more intact the resin heads are. So my trim bags arent that full and look like they just came off the plant, granted they are frozen. I am also super gentle putting the trim into the interior bag and then breaking it up in the machine, in the bag.

With all that yields are still really low although quality is wonderful. I'm hoping someone will jump in with their thoughts on what my problem might be.

well you are not wrong in handling very carefully as im sure that effects output. whether its significant or not is another story. yeah that bag is a little overpacked.. I tried squeezing it into 1 big one for some reason. either way... the resin heads arent goin anywhere!

I dont chop it got bubble hash, that would be nuts. that was a run for BHO and to show the quality of it ,or lack thereof?

I am honestly not too sure what youre doing wrong, if anything. sounds like you got your shit pretty figured out.

my guessed would be 1. youre not mixing enough and getting quality over quantity... I mixed mine as hard as I could with the drill for like 10-15 mins.. I personally would prefer quantity over quality in the bubble hash game. if I went for quality.. I would be getting a 2 gram return on 100 grams of joint worthy material. not happening.

or 2. its just not that sugary (no offense) and if its just loaded to the nuts... well then you gotta mix it more/harder id say. im no expert though by any means.

if youre bored. I would recommend watching matt rizes videos if you havnt, as well as jorge cervantes videos, and bubbleman. between those 3 videos they all offer very good tips and tricks for every technique, you might even find that 1 tiny step youre missing. you might find that some even contradict each other... you just gotta find what works for you. whos right when 2 hash gods are arguing?? surely they both have good points. it all depends on your particular situation. good luck and lets see some pics of the material, the hash, etc... pics are worth 1000 words!

my question is.. after pulling out the 220 work bag with all the weed and ice, after mixing and letting it settle... do you spray the hell out of it with water. or just pull it, let it drain real quick, and pull the next bag?

matt rize bubble hash:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wlN4cSmbY&oref=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wlN4cSmbY&has_verified=1

jorges cervantes bubble hash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0skTsA1bw

bubbleman (first hash vid I ever saw.. this ones kinda cool being at a pot expo and asking him live questions, tests, I fuckin wish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYzlSwbqhpE

Thanx for those links, the one I havnt seen is the Bubbleman one.

Here's a shot or two of my last run (indoor), you tell me how it is. I guess the question is, should I have gotten more quality hash with this quality of bud. (I didnt use bud but u know what I mean). And yes I am spraying down the bags before scraping.

First the flowers, I didnt take shots of the sugar leaf but here are the buds.

Ripped Bubba



Jack the Ripper



This was my best run, the hash is still dabable 2 weeks later.

Ripped Bubba and JTR Ice Hash

Matt Rize said:

Pictured below is my full melt hash bowl. There are three holes around the top inside of the bowl that allow the smoke to be pulled into your bong/chalice. The bottom of the bowl is solid, like a dish. A glass rod is heated and then inserted into the bowl. The hash melts and turns to smoke, but the oily mess has nowhere to go because the bowl's holes are at the top. This allows smoking full melt hash with no metal screens or flowers in the mix. Pure and clean.

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Ahh nice, I had a pipe with a bowl like that, used it for full melt/oil as well.. would have loved one of those for bong!

Here's what I pulled off of a little less than a QP of trim. All the trim came from a eztrim machine that has 3 collection bags. I mixed all the trims together and froze them immediately! I don't have pics of the trim but it looks identical to yours but maybe half the weight. I was a little worried about my turnout in quality because the trim machines processes so many stems. I did use a 6 bag setup 160 120 70 45 38 25 the 160 bag pulled alot of nasty so I wish I had a 185 bag too to better the quality even more. I followed most of the instructions RIZE style but hand mixed. I also incorporated some of Mila's technique as well she likes letting the mash sit for around an hour total during the mixing process. I did both a 5 min vigorous stir and a 3 min stir. The 3 min produced cleaner more blonde wax. I ran the mash a total of 3 times and pulled good amounts every time even on the third pull I used all the lower grades and 3rd runs for food grade. I think my success mostly was from keeping everything COLDCOLDCOLD! I even put the metal spoon in the freezer before I started! Hence the name "ICEwax". I can't wait to perfect my technique and use some really really high quality organic trim!! Hope some of this helps.. Patience is everything when making this stuff!! Keep it "chill" haha!! Good luck and Peace from Colorado

fuck me, thats a lot from a qp!!! are you guys rinsing your material twice?? I throw it away after rinsed. maybe I shouldnt be..

Hey all, this is my first time posting here.

I read through this thread about a week ago and it really sparked my interest so I picked up a set of Bubbleman's bags and gave it a try with a 5 gal washing machine. I used about 2 ounces of dried sugar leaf trim and small popcorn buds, froze it and then let it soak for about 20 mins. I followed all of Matt's techniques and I just now finished microplaning the hash into a non-stick pan. It seems to be pretty average bubble hash with a sort of 'sandy' appearance, I really hope it's dabable and full melt....I guess I'll just have to wait until it's dry to find out. Can you guys tell me how this looks for a first timer? If you notice anything I can do better I'd really appreciate it.

The lighter stuff is in the 2nd image is the 25 micron bag, and the darker is the 73. I feel like the 73 will be better because it smells a little stronger...but then again I know nothing because this is my first time haha

Yea like I said I ran my mash 3 times getting product every time. I also am hand stirring so that makes a difference. I looked at my wet trim through an eye loop after mixing and you could still see heads on some so I did another run. I for sure only had about a QP and did pretty well I think for the first time..also make sure when you pull the work bag that you rinse it well with ice cold water and really let it drain good alot of your "gold" will be hidden in there!! I was very patient with letting the bucket sit for 30+ min before I started stirring. Try rinsing more and keeping everything colder...

acid42 said:

Hey all, this is my first time posting here.

I read through this thread about a week ago and it really sparked my interest so I picked up a set of Bubbleman's bags and gave it a try with a 5 gal washing machine. I used about 2 ounces of dried sugar leaf trim and small popcorn buds, froze it and then let it soak for about 20 mins. I followed all of Matt's techniques and I just now finished microplaning the hash into a non-stick pan. It seems to be pretty average bubble hash with a sort of 'sandy' appearance, I really hope it's dabable and full melt....I guess I'll just have to wait until it's dry to find out. Can you guys tell me how this looks for a first timer? If you notice anything I can do better I'd really appreciate it.

The lighter stuff is in the 2nd image is the 25 micron bag, and the darker is the 73. I feel like the 73 will be better because it smells a little stronger...but then again I know nothing because this is my first time haha

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Looks good man mine had the same appearance after I planned it..give it 24 hrs stirring every so often and it will darken and cure... This process I'm still learning myself but yours looks pretty good. You should be able to tell iI fit was really sticky after just a little bit of time out of the freezer enjoy!!

anybody weigh their final net after everything? what kind of return is everyone getting, what % is average and what is above average?

Im gonna try bubble for my first time, using fresh frozen trim, and also dried frozen busted whole nugs, i have a 8 piece bubble bag set 25-220 micron bag and im going to order a bubble now machine. Im going to watch Matt Rize vid on you tube to get some pointers, can any one else help me out? I want to go all natural no more using chemicals to extract my beautiful resin glands

I made bubble bag hash today. I started with 131.3 grams and my end take was 16 grams. Thats after 8hr dry time. I also like to press the wet hash so when it's dry it's hard not gummy. This weed was sooo bad I couldn't smoke it. Bad flush nute taste.

Bad starting material usually makes a bad extract ime...put good in and you will blow your mind!!

First off Id like to thanks matt for inspiring me to go organic!! This is some Organic Candy Bubba Ice wax I made from about a qp of frozen wet trim!!! This cut is a weird lime/honeysuckle/skunk pheno!!! Tastes like honeysuckel's with a splash of lime with the chem dawg gas taste lingering in the background!!! Making the hash it smells like straight yadala!!! Like chem and Yack!!! Wowsers!! Had this with a bubba I grew b4!! Cocaine weed!! lol.. Anyways.. Abosuletly awesome!! First run is on the right and second run to the left on the plate, 160 to the 37... The biggest pile is the 90.. I used an 8 bag set up but it had a 37 bag insted of the 190 im used to!! Guess its to get a little better bubble but I'd rather have more catch bags, but they were free so guess I shouldnt complain.. lol.. Heres the werid thing I encountered tho!! Ive made bubble hash probly a hundred times and never seen all the "Full Melt" catch in the 90 bag. Its ALWAYS in the 73!!! Was only maybee 2 grams in the 73!! Like it was reversed!! Usually the 90 is a good way to judge how much your gone get in the 73 bag!! Its usually 10 fold...This is the first time Ive made it with this particular cross but I've made bubble with kush and bubba strains b4 and never had this so I dunnno?... Either maybee its because it was FULLY ripe or this pheno is more sativa dominant in high and bud structure???!! Neon lime green!! Ill try n get some pics of the flowers up later, but I'm stumped!!! I've heard sub say 90 full melt is his favorite but i assumed it was from the red bubble from the apollo 13?... Anyways enjoy the pics and if anyone has any idea of how/why this happened hit me up plz.... peace.. one love.. rize up.. stonerwithacold... B)

what do you guys feel about the payload bags? im thinking of placing an order at aqualabs and i want to get the best bags, im also thinking of the 5 gallon bubblenow, should i order the zipcro filter bag as well? thank you mattrize & the rest of the contributers to the thread!! its some great info here

i can vouche for the zipcro filter, very good.

been using the same set of payload bags for going on 5 years now, still going strong. need a new workbag though.

Thanks mellokitty and poplars!