if tokers ruled the world (imagine that)

what if we did or had moved to a planet free of government bs, cancerous society and laws and rules and just established our own (which means it's illegal to not smell like diesel and not have red eyes). wow... this some good shit my mom's got.

i think a planet like that would plain suck to be honest

how old r u? does ur mum know ur smokin her weed?

this planet itself(not the gov b.s.) is wonderful. I wouldn't really want to rule a whole world anyways that mentality is how we are controlled right now ya dig? pot is illegal because billionaires want to remain billionaires like the oil, timber, and pharmaceutical bastard corporations. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself"

why rule shit when ya can just smoke and chill. plus nothing the government is doing is stopping anyone anyways.

NevaSmokedOut said:

what if we did or had moved to a planet free of government bs, cancerous society and laws and rules and just established our own (which means it's illegal to not smell like diesel and not have red eyes). wow... this some good shit my mom's got.

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Nothing would ever get done.

Airwave said:

Nothing would ever get done.

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bs.

how do you think people who grow pounds get the garden going the next year? seriously, it's not like we stop blazing just to dig some holes or work on the plants.

besides some people just don't like weed, plain and simple. by that logic, the whole world will never smoke pot, even in an idealistic fairyland.

and people wouldn't be nearly as motivated to dominate the market of their choice if they were constantly blazed . . . . such priorities don't matter when you're thinking is altered in a way that supports being down to earth and not in some straight up toxic ideal in which you keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

poplars said:

bs.

how do you think people who grow pounds get the garden going the next year? seriously, it's not like we stop blazing just to dig some holes or work on the plants.

besides some people just don't like weed, plain and simple. by that logic, the whole world will never smoke pot, even in an idealistic fairyland.

and people wouldn't be nearly as motivated to dominate the market of their choice if they were constantly blazed . . . . such priorities don't matter when you're thinking is altered in a way that supports being down to earth and not in some straight up toxic ideal in which you keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

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Yeah, because in an ideal world everybody would be a gardener.
I mean, it's not as if you would need factory made goods, transport, surgeons and tons of paperwork or anything.

Airwave said:

Yeah, because in an ideal world everybody would be a gardener.
I mean, it's not as if you would need factory made goods, transport, surgeons and tons of paperwork or anything.

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sorry but I've heard of people being stoned in all of those careers . . . . I don't think you can truly give me a good example of a job impossible to do on cannabis.

and you're also forgetting that people gain a tolerance to the motor-inhibitory effects of cannabis (being clumsy, etc.) and the forgetfulness, and anything else that could POSSIBLY fuck with your job.

I wouldn't want my surgeon to be high as fuck during an operation.."wait what was I just doing? oh right yeah liver transplant? uh...oh wait..."

Cannabis is a drug and it does cause impaired judgement and thinking ability, maybe not on high levels but it does.

well said, i would tell my doctor to f*** right off if i suspected he was high. it is a drug and should be treated with a degree of respect.

of course, but all I'm saying is that cannabis doesn't really apply to the same sort of rules we establish for most other drugs.

I mean there are people who barely even get high, you can't possibly say you wouldn't trust a doc who barely even gets high off of cannabis to make a mistake would you?

if you do, that's all in your head. I know I wouldn't like a doc being high working on me, but if I knew he was completely functional, had lots of successes, I'd really have no reason to not trust him.

but that's the thing, it's more likely your doc is working on you while he's high on morphine and you don't have a fucking clue.

Arrid said:

I wouldn't want my surgeon to be high as fuck during an operation.."wait what was I just doing? oh right yeah liver transplant? uh...oh wait..."

Cannabis is a drug and it does cause impaired judgement and thinking ability, maybe not on high levels but it does.

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are you straight from reefer madness or what?

my judgment isn't impaired in any way on cannabis, neither is my thinking ability. I dare you to have a debate with me while I"m high.

how bout this, how exactly is cannabis supposed to inhibit my thinking ability in any way? or my judgement? can you give me good examples and possibly some LEGIT research to backup your heresay?

I don't blame you about the surgeon comment, but common, cannabis doesn't impair judgement and thinking . . . . if you think it does you've been using it wrong the whole time. or you're just a weekend smoker that gets so high you can't handle it . . .

poplars said:

of course, but all I'm saying is that cannabis doesn't really apply to the same sort of rules we establish for most other drugs.

I mean there are people who barely even get high, you can't possibly say you wouldn't trust a doc who barely even gets high off of cannabis to make a mistake would you?

if you do, that's all in your head. I know I wouldn't like a doc being high working on me, but if I knew he was completely functional, had lots of successes, I'd really have no reason to not trust him.

but that's the thing, it's more likely your doc is working on you while he's high on morphine and you don't have a fucking clue.

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so let me take your justification and put a flip on that.

*i smoke a big joint*

"right, i'm not high, let's get going with this amputation!"

how are you the patient, aware that he is not that high. ever heard the phrase "i'm not that drunk!"

it's not in my head, fuck any doctor i suspect of being high.

tip top toker said:

so let me take your justification and put a flip on that.

*i smoke a big joint*

"right, i'm not high, let's get going with this amputation!"

how are you the patient, aware that he is not that high. ever heard the phrase "i'm not that drunk!"

it's not in my head, fuck any doctor i suspect of being high.

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sorry but you just compared two drugs that react in an entirely different way in our brain, there's absolutely no comparison there.

sorry but I'm only talking about how cannabis truly doesn't impair the motor skills or memory after tolerance to such effects are gained.

you can NOT say the same thing about alcohol. there is NO down regulation of receptors that work with alcohol. your nervous system works in hyper-drive to operate through the impairing effects of alcohol . . . therefore you are still impaired even if you don't feel that drunk.

not to mention alcohol truly inhibits your thinking to the point of convincing yourself you're not drunk . . . . . this is not possible with cannabis.

it is NOT the same case in ANY way with cannabis. if you don't feel that high, you TRULY aren't that high.

the whole idea is i would question the thought level of a doctor who chose to work high, regardless of whether he could "handle it". being able to "handle" a drug regardless of how drastic the effect does not entitle one to be stoned during anything that requires a high level of thinking, especially when someone's life or safety is involved. and i don't know how old you are or how long you've been smoking weed, but anyone who has smoked regularly for longer than 10 years and claims to not have some degree of noticable memory loss and/or motor issues is a fucking liar, period. i said the same thing when I was like 18 and had only been smoking for 6 years because i could go to school and make great grades and party and all that shit. of course i can still function just fine, but to pretend that there has been no effect is dishonest. it's not about what it does in comparison to another drug, it's about understanding that there is in fact a price (albiet much smaller than with other drugs) to be paid to live the stoner life. not right now, but later. and no surgeons should not be high.

Total Head said:

the whole idea is i would question the thought level of a doctor who chose to work high, regardless of whether he could "handle it". being able to "handle" a drug regardless of how drastic the effect does not entitle one to be stoned during anything that requires a high level of thinking, especially when someone's life or safety is involved. and i don't know how old you are or how long you've been smoking weed, but anyone who has smoked regularly for longer than 10 years and claims to not have some degree of noticable memory loss and/or motor issues is a fucking liar, period. i said the same thing when I was like 18 and had only been smoking for 6 years because i could go to school and make great grades and party and all that shit. of course i can still function just fine, but to pretend that there has been no effect is dishonest. it's not about what it does in comparison to another drug, it's about understanding that there is in fact a price (albiet much smaller than with other drugs) to be paid to live the stoner life. not right now, but later. and no surgeons should not be high.

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I've had no memory loss.

I must be some fucking liar then huh?

fuck you.

some people may get so high that they don't pay attention, thus forget about something. but cannabis does NOT cause memory loss. it causes short term memory impairment due to being high and distracted. I've noticed NO such long term impairments.

and the science is against it doing any cognitive damage in any way. no brain cell damage, in fact, it causes brain cell growth. therefore your memory loss theory is bullshit.

and buddy, I don't have to blaze 10 years to experience memory loss. I blazed more in a 4-5 month span 2 years ago than some people have in their entire lives and I had absolutely no memory loss.

different people have different ways of utilizing their memory. some people do it more effectively than others. if you've lost your ability to keep long term thoughts, it certainly wasn't from cannabis.

and if you think it is, then you better have some true scientific proof otherwise you're talking out of your ass.

How Marijuana Causes Memory Deficits

ScienceDaily (Aug. 4, 2009) — Memory loss associated with marijuana use is caused by the drug’s interference with the brain’s natural protein synthesis machinery, according to a study published in Nature Neuroscience.
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Though it has been documented that marijuana impairs memory, the precise mechanism for this memory impairment was previously unknown. Andrés Ozaita, of the Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Spain, along with colleagues in France and Germany, focused on THC, the main psychoactive chemical compound in marijuana, which acts on a specific class of receptors known as cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are known to affect the connection strength between neurons.
The scientists found that THC increases the activity of a pathway that promotes protein synthesis in the mouse brain. This transient increase of protein synthesis was mediated specifically by cannabinoid receptors expressed on the brain’s inhibitory neurons, and correlated with long-term memory deficits in mice. Interestingly, the authors also found that inhibition of this signaling pathway by rapamycin, an immunosuppressant drug used to prevent organ rejection following transplantation, prevents THC-induced amnesia in mice.


The whole "dude I totally smoked out last summer" does not equal the effects of systematic long term marijuana abuse, which myself or any old pothead can tell you without science, of which there is plenty by the way. love the weed, that's fine, but do not sit there with a straight face and say that long term use does not cause memory loss.

Total Head said:

How Marijuana Causes Memory Deficits

ScienceDaily (Aug. 4, 2009) — Memory loss associated with marijuana use is caused by the drug’s interference with the brain’s natural protein synthesis machinery, according to a study published in Nature Neuroscience.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/n/neurobiology.htm


Though it has been documented that marijuana impairs memory, the precise mechanism for this memory impairment was previously unknown. Andrés Ozaita, of the Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Spain, along with colleagues in France and Germany, focused on THC, the main psychoactive chemical compound in marijuana, which acts on a specific class of receptors known as cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are known to affect the connection strength between neurons.
The scientists found that THC increases the activity of a pathway that promotes protein synthesis in the mouse brain. This transient increase of protein synthesis was mediated specifically by cannabinoid receptors expressed on the brain’s inhibitory neurons, and correlated with long-term memory deficits in mice. Interestingly, the authors also found that inhibition of this signaling pathway by rapamycin, an immunosuppressant drug used to prevent organ rejection following transplantation, prevents THC-induced amnesia in mice.

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that seriously sounds like a bullshit study.

is there a link to precisely HOW they did such a study?

otherwise it's still bs.

the reason I say this, is that there is a LOT of groups out to find bad things about cannabis, they'll skew lab results, and not post how they found the results they did. then groups like DARE and people like you believe them mindlessly.

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and do not tell me with a straight face that you can 100% trust the 1 article you gave me. even if you could come up with 3, I bet it would be all sketchy. and don't even try to twist this back on me because it's true, there are LOTS of groups out to find bad shit about cannabis.

I mean seriously, how do you even know how they determined such results? do you think the memory of a rat is really as complex as that of a human? do you really think they focused on the right protein? I highly doubt it. I know many people who have been blazing their entire lives, if you know forgetful smokers, thats because they're forgetful people. there are people who have been blazing their entire lives and still have amazing memory.

this is just a single aspect of the point i was making against your ludicrous statement that it's okay for a surgeon to be stoned in the OR. then you proceed to bash the study that YOU requested i produce in an continued effort to defend an absurd statement. science aside, it's common sense. science included, it's obvious. no, doctors, fighter pilots, criminal defense lawyers, and several other professions have absolutely NO BUSINESS being high on anything while on the job, for reasons that are varied WAY beyond simple memory loss, and if you need me to find "just the right study" to prove it you are not worth having this debate with.