Airwalker16
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Ya they're like $5 too!
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Big smo
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If your looking for a inexpensive solution for average led Mars hydro is ok. I used them for vegging and plants did fair. Soon enough my Amare's will be in and things should settle down. Really hope they perform like I hoped. After this thread who knows, maybe I'd be better with the flashlights I used last grow
Big smo
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I know this might sound stupid but has anyone used regular screw in LED bulbs like how so many use cfl's? I see so many cfl grows and always wondered if the temperature is correct and there are so many different spectrums available why people don't have them hanging all over their rooms.
so let me think... your complaining about me stirring the shit, when all I asked was what the efficiency is of the amare, and yet YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE and haven't verified for yourself how well it grows ?
and then you think a Mars led unit is not a bad unit but you sent it back ? Ask @REALSTYLES what
he really thinks about a mars hydro.
and then you are asking about CFLs and screw in e27 leds?
Did you know its ok to say I don't know instead of bitching at somebody which pointed out one potential weakness of the amare. A basic stat that the company doesn't want to publish ?
There are people on this forum with a lot of experience and knowledge instead of being all high and mighty you might want to tap that knowledge instead of whining cause you think you have a big dick.
Airwalker16
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Which flaw did you point out with the Amare? People do seem to praise them like the golden God of lights... I just don't buy it ....
Sure the diodes around the cob is a sick design but that and a 12" reptile bulb that will be half as powerful and efficient in less than a year, isn't worth an extra $700 in parts cost if you diy'd it. Same with Apache, although the apache are pretty cool
frosty_one
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I sent an email to Amare before I found this thread yesterday.
What I asked in my email to them:
I'm not finding any specs for you Solar Eclipse Series anywhere on your website. PPFD at different heights and footprints, Efficiency, Lumens, Kelvin value for all Led's used, including the 10 supplemental, etc... Can you please provide this info?
What I received from them:
We apologize for the inconvenience for the lack of specs on our website and will make it available soon. Attached are the quick reference par tables. The CREE CXB3070 is 3000k (attached pics, including part numbers). The surrounding monochrome diodes are 6500k, 630nm, 470nm, 740nm. The lm/w, we will be testing this week and provide the information once available.
Coverage:
SE250: 3' x 3'@24" without lenses and @30" with lenses.
SE450: 4' x 4'@24" without lenses and @42" with lenses.
What I asked in my email to them:
I'm not finding any specs for you Solar Eclipse Series anywhere on your website. PPFD at different heights and footprints, Efficiency, Lumens, Kelvin value for all Led's used, including the 10 supplemental, etc... Can you please provide this info?
What I received from them:
We apologize for the inconvenience for the lack of specs on our website and will make it available soon. Attached are the quick reference par tables. The CREE CXB3070 is 3000k (attached pics, including part numbers). The surrounding monochrome diodes are 6500k, 630nm, 470nm, 740nm. The lm/w, we will be testing this week and provide the information once available.
Coverage:
SE250: 3' x 3'@24" without lenses and @30" with lenses.
SE450: 4' x 4'@24" without lenses and @42" with lenses.
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carefull about wording. I said "potential weakness".
efficiency as in umols/joule, PPF/watt or even lumens/watt. nobody knows its not published.
Big smo
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For a new grower who is using a small tent or closet I don't think there is a problem using Mars hydros as an alternative to a hps. I did veg with them and my final yield was rather well. No they aren't great but again not everyone can afford top quality/cost units.
What I have read about Amare and what I received for info from victor tells me that the lights are great quality and there is little chance they added in low quality pieces. Yes I am new to the indoor scene but it doesn't mean I'm clueless to this whole thing in general. If I have a point to make I surely don't act like a spoiled cunt kid and start swearing at people for their purchases. The only thing that makes sense to me is you may have your dick in a company's owner ass that does advertise here on riu. It's clear that Amare is a good quality light and should for no reason be slammed negatively like you and your man have been doing.
On another forum I helped out a girl who is using the 22 watt plastic leds Amazon sells as grow lights. I referred her to Mars. Not because of quality but because it's a huge upgrade. Yet I did not once call her a retarded fucktard twink.
My exact thoughts are you know Amare is good. For what reason you won't let your guard down on them I don't know. Is the company hurting sales? That makes sense. There are hundreds of companies out there that don't even list what diodes are used nevermind what size hear sinks. So for that reasoning alone I have to understand its personal. I haven't grown with them yet but I can tell they invested a lot more time and energy into their lights than most other companies who just purchase parts and drop then into a premade Chinese housing.
I never slammed amare and I'm not associated with any light company or anybody for that matter that posts on this forum. you ought to reread my posts in this thread. Thats your own fear and ignorance, that makes you so defensive of your purchase decision.
kachiga
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Yeah, only real person I saw hating was Abiqua. He was right to ask that questions, I for one did learn something new.
But think we getting excited and off topic
That ppf/w comes from the sphere testing right? Do you know any other companies that use cobs that have done the testing? I like to see their results vs the leds that did. Since you can't use lux meter on the leds.
But think we getting excited and off topic
That ppf/w comes from the sphere testing right? Do you know any other companies that use cobs that have done the testing? I like to see their results vs the leds that did. Since you can't use lux meter on the leds.
Abiqua
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another ad hominem kachiga.....I have only stated that people are making boisterous claims that aren't backed up with data. I know the diode sets and their outputs....it is not worth top dollar, and the promoting of such is, disconcerning, in the least. Only thing I have ever said.Yeah, only real person I saw hating was Abiqua. He was right to ask that questions, I for one did learn something new.
But think we getting excited and off topic
i live for radiometrics not photometrics
Hybridway
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What claims are people making? Haven't seen so many facts at once on a thread in a long time.
These guys are proud for spending their money wisely on well a good thing. The time & learning it takes to be able to make such decisions is allota work when you're knew to this technology for growing. Especially when our plants have the potential to give us so much in return. Who's not proud to tap their plants potential through studying & learning?
Once a good thing has been found it is the right thing to share that info. & feels good for some to help others. With facts of info.
No ones hiding anything when their giving you direct unedited e-mails. I seen these guys give you all the info they had. Which was allot more then many companies offer & accessing the rest is only a push of a button away. From there it's all about the hands on. When my hands touched my 450, the first thing I thought was what a tank. Hard quality. Backed with what I know about them, and now how happy my plants are & heavy, I'm a happy customer. As are these guys.
I see no claims but pls correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe someone was baited & frustrated into saying something that isn't necessarily right, that they normally would never had said if not instigated. But that's the point right? To get someone to say something less then wise?
If you're new to LED & need help choosing I would recomend checking out:
-Amare Technologies
-SunCloak
-Fluence Bioengeniering
-The vendors here on RIU
Some others that may interest you that seem to be decent are:
-Smart Grow Technologies
-vivid grow
-Bios Icurus
-Lumi-Grow (for those who like colors)
And there's a bunch more worth mentioning. Maybe someone else can chime in & tell us some companies that interest them?
These guys are proud for spending their money wisely on well a good thing. The time & learning it takes to be able to make such decisions is allota work when you're knew to this technology for growing. Especially when our plants have the potential to give us so much in return. Who's not proud to tap their plants potential through studying & learning?
Once a good thing has been found it is the right thing to share that info. & feels good for some to help others. With facts of info.
No ones hiding anything when their giving you direct unedited e-mails. I seen these guys give you all the info they had. Which was allot more then many companies offer & accessing the rest is only a push of a button away. From there it's all about the hands on. When my hands touched my 450, the first thing I thought was what a tank. Hard quality. Backed with what I know about them, and now how happy my plants are & heavy, I'm a happy customer. As are these guys.
I see no claims but pls correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe someone was baited & frustrated into saying something that isn't necessarily right, that they normally would never had said if not instigated. But that's the point right? To get someone to say something less then wise?
If you're new to LED & need help choosing I would recomend checking out:
-Amare Technologies
-SunCloak
-Fluence Bioengeniering
-The vendors here on RIU
Some others that may interest you that seem to be decent are:
-Smart Grow Technologies
-vivid grow
-Bios Icurus
-Lumi-Grow (for those who like colors)
And there's a bunch more worth mentioning. Maybe someone else can chime in & tell us some companies that interest them?
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Big smo
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I claimed I got a better deal. I also claimed the warranty was better and victor seemed like a real stand up guy who I would love to continue to support.
I actually had such a good experience with Amare so far and I have read others have had great joy too I really don't care about the unknown. Foolish as it may sound I wouldn't second guess Amare even if they did use the cheapest drivers and least efficient heat sinks. All things that I would doubt coming from such a great company. I'm also not going to take advice or second guess a purchase based on swears and bulshit from an ignorant bunch of proud spec nazis.
kmog33
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I think your prices may be a bit off as in fairly sure gg gives a fairly decent discount to Riu ppl. May be wrong but I think it ends up putting them just over half the price of the amare. Cheaper per watt for sure though.
Not knocking on amare, hybrid has been doing some great work with them. Still a little steep for my taste. You also forgot the a51 w90s. 90 watts for $200. So 450 watts for $1000. Which also puts them cheaper per watt than the amare. I would bet on lower efficiency in that one though.
kachiga
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I get that bud, maybe I missed something more in later posts just the way you came off was pretty rough. I understand what you wanted and thank you for that it did help me learn more.another ad hominem kachiga.....I have only stated that people are making boisterous claims that aren't backed up with data. I know the diode sets and their outputs....it is not worth top dollar, and the promoting of such is, disconcerning, in the least. Only thing I have ever said.
i live for radiometrics not photometrics
More then one way to ask a question. That's the only reason I say that, but I'll stop. I do see your point, just a bit rough around the edges.
But I am still unsure what claims you mean.
It's going off manufacture suggest retail. So this is what they all retail for with no coupons. I have seen coupons from a aware,gogreen and plc. Would have to give all new numbers to include every ones discounts.
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Big smo
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After 4/20 sale and additional 5% for ordering 3 my total price was lower than go green and much less than Plc on their 6 cob lights.
I received 18 3070 Cree cobs.
180 Cree mono's
3 uv bulbs
Vs
18 3070 Cree cobs
So all that extra, plus a better warranty and surprisingly great customer service for less money.
I apologize for stating the facts of my sale and my happiness.
I received 18 3070 Cree cobs.
180 Cree mono's
3 uv bulbs
Vs
18 3070 Cree cobs
So all that extra, plus a better warranty and surprisingly great customer service for less money.
I apologize for stating the facts of my sale and my happiness.
Greengenes707
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Let them throw a tantrum. If they want to put a cx300 against an amare in a sphere...I will supply the cx300. There are no mistakes and biases in a sphere, nor will a lack of education and understanding hold back the results like it does though human relaying it as we have seen here.
The highest a cx300 has ever sold for in it's history was $749.99 and is the original MSRP if someone wants to get real. The cx300 also pulls ~340w if they want "actual wattage" like they put for amare. Bringing PLC's actual down to 2.20/w according to them on original msrp/total watts(might I note not taking into account wattsin:lightout...which is where efficiency widens the gap further) And the discounted is far less, ask the real commercial growers.
Basically the cx300's are always $699 or less for a single light...420 sale were $650(was discounted more for multiple), and now have a msrp of $725...so they need to get up to date anyways after 4/20. You don't even have to know there is a code. If someone ever emails asking about a cx300 or components...PLC answers the questions and tell them about the code. As well as ask if they want an invoice direct.
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