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ttystikk

ttystikk

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esh dov ets said:
do you think the right is better at some kind of propaganda or what?
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I think mega corporations and their billionaire donor class owners are politically conservative and their money is a powerful corrupting force.

Once the floodgates of cash opened and the Democratic Party began to take it as well, those who could not compete financially (that's the rest of us) were drowned out.

Mr Sanders has shown the way towards fixing this situation.

As you might expect, the Establishment Democratic Party is resisting, because they're on the corporate dole.

This is how the billionaire class thinks and operates within our political system;

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mercers/

It's a long read, but highly enlightening on many levels.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
establishment
donor class
corporations

i have won the debate
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If you can't intelligently explain your positions, you haven't won anything but a dunce cap.

You'll notice I don't blindly believe anyone's assertions. There are some things Pad says that I agree with, others I don't. Same with yours. You'll win more hearts and minds with insightful and persuasive discussion of the issues and your positions than with juvenile barking like the above.

For instance, if you agree with what the Mercer family is doing, I'd say that's not liberal, progressive or even Democratic. That's not an accusation, just an example.

You'll notice I've been asking lots of questions about how you see things in an effort to better understand your point of view. That's the highest form of respect, going much further than mere slavish sychophantism.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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ttystikk said:
I think mega corporations and their billionaire donor class owners are politically conservative and their money is a powerful corrupting force.

Once the floodgates of cash opened and the Democratic Party began to take it as well, those who could not compete financially (that's the rest of us) were drowned out.

Mr Sanders has shown the way towards fixing this situation.

As you might expect, the Establishment Democratic Party is resisting, because they're on the corporate dole.

This is how the billionaire class thinks and operates within our political system;

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/mercers/

It's a long read, but highly enlightening on many levels.
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true. but how do you explain the average voter falling for it?
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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ttystikk said:
I have to disagree with you here. The glimmer of awareness of how badly we've been screwed by mega donors, megacorps and Citizens United is just beginning to stir in the national consciousness.

We have a LONG way to go to be able to say we're building an accountable system.

I agree we're going in the right direction, but we're at step A. Step Z would be something like what we just witnessed in South Korea.
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i don't even see the u.s. going in the right direction right now
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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esh dov ets said:
true. but how do you explain the average voter falling for it?
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Well, look at the overwhelming amount of mainstream media information supporting the status quo and how it's slanted.

We are constantly told that this country or that one is 'a threat' to our national security, in spite of obviously contradictory facts such as their presence on the other side of the planet and clear military and economic inferiority. Then, the narrative goes, we 'must' intervene as 'the world's police' and of course that means we need more military hardware and soldiers and bases around the world... and nevermind the cost to taxpayers or the corporations who benefit.

Being anti military is a political third rail, as any candidate who comes out against them is immediately smeared as unpatriotic as campaign funding pours into their opponent's coffers.

How to break through? How to tell our citizens that endlessly picking fights with the rest of the planet is unsustainable? It's not hard to convince many who have family in the military- but they are a small minority, and of course they don't want to be ostracised as unpatriotic either.

As we've seen here in the politics section, there are many who have drunk the kool-aid and enthusiastically support America's adventurism, in part because they see no downside.

Here's an article that may or may not provide some insight into the difficulties involved in trying to rein in a military industrial complex that effectively runs our 'democracy';

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/anti-war-political-purity-tests-not-sound-political-strategy.html

Please tell me what you think? I'm not suggesting this article is anywhere near correct, but it does provide an alternative if extreme viewpoint.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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esh dov ets said:
i don't even see the u.s. going in the right direction right now
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Me neither. This is clearly not the direction most Americans want our nation to go, but our citizens have been thwarted again and again.

I posted an article above. I'm not sure I agree with much that it says but I posted the link just to get people thinking in a different direction.

Our nation has fallen into a fascist trap. We protest that we are on the side of right, even while murdering innocent people by the millions around the world.

I am depressed by the enormity of the problem. I have no idea if We the People can correct the inevitable slide into another World War.

There was an attempted/abortive fascist coup by in America in the 1930s. Today seems to be a repeat following a more subtle plan. Is that paranoid?

If it is, where is this conclusion incorrect?
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Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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ttystikk said:
Me neither. This is clearly not the direction most Americans want our nation to go, but our citizens have been thwarted again and again.

I posted an article above. I'm not sure I agree with much that it says but I posted the link just to get people thinking in a different direction.

Our nation has fallen into a fascist trap. We protest that we are on the side of right, even while murdering innocent people by the millions around the world.

I am depressed by the enormity of the problem. I have no idea if We the People can correct the inevitable slide into another World War.

There was an attempted/abortive fascist coup by in America in the 1930s. Today seems to be a repeat following a more subtle plan. Is that paranoid?

If it is, where is this conclusion incorrect?
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An Alabama Presbyterian church may soon become the first in the nation to form its own police force, invested by the state with the rights of “regular” police.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/04/14/alabama-senate-gives-megachurch-right-form-its-own-police-force/100468472/
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Grandpapy said:
An Alabama Presbyterian church may soon become the first in the nation to form its own police force, invested by the state with the rights of “regular” police.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/04/14/alabama-senate-gives-megachurch-right-form-its-own-police-force/100468472/
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I heard about this last week. If it's allowed to go forward, exactly how will it be accountable to the people? And if it isn't, how is it a legitimate police force?

And will this 'right' be extended to mosques in Alabama, who arguably need a police force of their own far more than Presbyterians might?
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
Me neither. This is clearly not the direction most Americans want our nation to go, but our citizens have been thwarted again and again.

I posted an article above. I'm not sure I agree with much that it says but I posted the link just to get people thinking in a different direction.

Our nation has fallen into a fascist trap. We protest that we are on the side of right, even while murdering innocent people by the millions around the world.

I am depressed by the enormity of the problem. I have no idea if We the People can correct the inevitable slide into another World War.

There was an attempted/abortive fascist coup by in America in the 1930s. Today seems to be a repeat following a more subtle plan. Is that paranoid?

If it is, where is this conclusion incorrect?
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No you're not paranoid, it's exactly what's happening. It's just that we can see it before the others and it is depressing.

Now I know how Paul Revere felt.
 
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schuylaar

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They're reporting this AM, Trump was enrolled in a remedial political course to explain how government works and that he's doing well at 'catching on'.
 
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