im having problems with Earth Juice!

phenix white

phenix white

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so i been using earth juice grow and i am gettin ph problems and or nute lock or burn??? i have earth juice grow,bloom and i have ferti lome iron and micronutes,blackstrap mollasess and newly added Epsom salt..is this a bad combo? is anyone else having issues with ej??seems to be very touchy stuff..it has or i have messed up my Northern lights plant..it has the twsting leaves discolord new leaves and shoots,brown spoting rust spoting..seems to only really affect mid to upper top of plant... well i have a small Motavation growing to and its yellowing on the two bottom fan leaves and im starting to find spots on them like one spot a leaf
 
dam612

dam612

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do you bubble it for 2days? i have good results with it, usually brings the ph perfect w no addins.
 
phenix white

phenix white

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no i dont bubble it...i guess i should but i didnt know about that..i just think its fucking up my ph in my soil..
 
SimplySmokin

SimplySmokin

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I think your on the right track phenix, Sure sounds like a nutrient tie up. Friend of mine bubbles his for 2 days also.
 
phenix white

phenix white

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i have researched on line and have found tons of people with the exact same prblem..I think i should flush both plants then go with a diffrent nutrient? i really need advice im lost in the woods here and everyday gets worse and i am freaking out about it how do i fix this???
 
dam612

dam612

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when u mix up your batch put it a container w/ an airstone in it for ~2days, check ph n feed.
 
phenix white

phenix white

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so what is the earth juice doing to the plants when i jut mix it and water? i used it one time on my young motovation and its yellowed it spoted it..im ready to throw the shit out i need advice from expert on exactly what to do?!?
 
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volumecutter

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Okay what is your ph of plain water at room temp, key word room temp. Ph rises with temp measure cold tap water wait 4 hours measure again and it's diff. Also check the run off ph of your soil. Last of all flush with a clearex style solution. I'd only use Epsom for foliar feeding but salts in soil do cause lock up(not sure if epsom salt works that way too) and last always ph right before you water after the 2 days and cut all your nutes in half! Go from there. These are just helpful tips don't take them as gods word I don't know all or claim to, just trying to help a fellow rollitupper out! Oh and stick with earth juice it's good non and I only use blackstrap on flowering ladies maybe the (k) is too high for veg. Or the soil mix u made is to n rich
 
phenix white

phenix white

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i been using ro water from fill up station its 6.3-6.5 my tap was 7.2 ...so after i bubble it 2 days before i water cut it in half like water half strength???
 
phenix white

phenix white

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the soil is organic uni-grow brand. i do know i gave it to much of the grow for sure in the begging..so today im going to go get water for flushing,bag of lime flush plants test run off till its desired ph that i want.then i will bubble the mix and water for 2 days then feed at only half strong so is tis what i should do???
volumecutter said:
Okay what is your ph of plain water at room temp, key word room temp. Ph rises with temp measure cold tap water wait 4 hours measure again and it's diff. Also check the run off ph of your soil. Last of all flush with a clearex style solution. I'd only use Epsom for foliar feeding but salts in soil do cause lock up(not sure if epsom salt works that way too) and last always ph right before you water after the 2 days and cut all your nutes in half! Go from there. These are just helpful tips don't take them as gods word I don't know all or claim to, just trying to help a fellow rollitupper out! Oh and stick with earth juice it's good non and I only use blackstrap on flowering ladies maybe the (k) is too high for veg. Or the soil mix u made is to n rich
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Wetdog

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phenix white said:
i been using ro water from fill up station its 6.3-6.5 my tap was 7.2 ...so after i bubble it 2 days before i water cut it in half like water half strength???
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Tap @7.2 is fine, EJ doesn't seem to play all that well with RO water. You will need to bubble the chlorine out of the tap or let it sit out for 24hrs. RO is great for hydro, less so for soil and even more less so for organics. This has just been my observation over time.

First your soil. Most organic or peat based mixes are acidic and need something to buffer the soil's pH. I use powdered dolomite lime. DON'T mess with the pellets as they take waaaay too long to break down and work. Oyster shell flour is also good if it's available. Lowes is the only place around me that has the powdered/ground dolomite lime.

Besides buffering your soil and keeping the pH in the sweet spot, dolomite also provides cal/mag and keeps those problems from popping up.

"I" use 1tbl/gallon of mix or 1cup/CuFt of mix. Works best if added to the mix before use, but it can be top dressed on and watered in. If you are going to transplant, be sure and add it to the mix.

Now the Earth Juice.

First off, it's best not to think of EJ as a nute like FF or something where you just mix it up and dump it on the plant. Think of it more as a nutrient tea and you are closer to the mark.

It works best if bubbled. A cheap aquarium pump, airstone and a 5 gallon bucket will get you going.

Catalyst is very important!!! This is the 'food' that gets all the microbes and BB in the EJ woke up and ready to work. Molasses will also do since it is cheaper than the catalyst, but the cat has more goodies in it. I usually alternate between the two of them or, use 1/2 doses of each.

Micro Blast is also very important. Most organics are very light on micros and trace elements and the MB helps prevent deficiency's. Don't need a lot or very often, but you do need it.

Meta K - K is very important in flower and this is good to have. Myself, I've gotten away from the MK and now just use ProTekt from Dyna-Gro as both a K source and a silica supplement. It works great at both and cheap to boot.

Any questions, ask away.:peace:

Chems are a lot easier aren't they?:mrgreen:

Wet
 
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Wetdog

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Read the "Earth Juice helpful information" thread I just bumped up.

Great info from the 3LB's.

Wet
 
phenix white

phenix white

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i got the dolmite lime fine powdered . do i flush still or just use the lime with a gallon let dry then add nutes?
phenix white said:
the soil is organic uni-grow brand. i do know i gave it to much of the grow for sure in the begging..so today im going to go get water for flushing,bag of lime flush plants test run off till its desired ph that i want.then i will bubble the mix and water for 2 days then feed at only half strong so is tis what i should do???
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Nullis

Nullis

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Yes, dolomite limestone is extremely important in organics and not just with Earth Juice. Dolomite is what you want as opposed to regular garden lime because dolomite has both calcium and magnesium whereas some limes are just calcium carbonate. Oyster/egg shell (which is primarily calcium carbonate) can be used in conjunction with the dolomite.

For a while I used Earth Juice Grow/Bloom/Micro without Catalyst and without aerating. It can be done and with satisfactory results, but for best results Catalyst is good to have and aerating helps with pH and nutrient availability. Meta-K I feel isn't really necessary as molasses (1 tbs/gal) seems to provide enough additional potassium and liquid seaweed/kelp is another good alternative. Also, I am not sure that Earth Juice itself contains any beneficial bacteria (I seriously doubt that it does) so the addition of some other inoculant such as earthworm castings, humus, or a dry microbe-enhanced fertilizer would be wise. There is a relatively inexpensive product called Humega (by Botanicare) which is a liquid humus/soil conditioner/inoculant that contains humic acid and active microbes.

I use Earth Juice as a matter of convenience now for when I am short on time and can't brew anything. My only complaint is the inconsistent thickness of the Grow formula.
 
Nullis

Nullis

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phenix white said:
i got the dolmite lime fine powdered . do i flush still or just use the lime with a gallon let dry then add nutes?
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Some people are going to tell you to flush for practically anything. Unless you seriously over-did it with the nutrients (which is more difficult to do with Earth Juice, but it can be done) you can either sprinkle the dolomite on the surface of the soil and water it in, or mix a tablespoon of dolomite to a gallon of water directly and do it that way. I prefer to mix with water, but you really have to continuously agitate it between containers as the dolomite isn't very soluble in water so it will settle quickly on the bottom.

Afterward you can help rinse it in better with some more fresh water. Do you check the pH of your run-off? If so just realize that what drains out immediately isn't going to differ very much. After a little while you should be able to measure that the pH is rising.
 
phenix white

phenix white

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see the leaves i posted pics of..do u think i ned to flush?
Nullis said:
Some people are going to tell you to flush for practically anything. Unless you seriously over-did it with the nutrients (which is more difficult to do with Earth Juice, but it can be done) you can either sprinkle the dolomite on the surface of the soil and water it in, or mix a tablespoon of dolomite to a gallon of water directly and do it that way. I prefer to mix with water, but you really have to continuously agitate it between containers as the dolomite isn't very soluble in water so it will settle quickly on the bottom.

Afterward you can help rinse it in better with some more fresh water. Do you check the pH of your run-off? If so just realize that what drains out immediately isn't going to differ very much. After a little while you should be able to measure that the pH is rising.
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Wetdog

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Nullis said:
Some people are going to tell you to flush for practically anything. Unless you seriously over-did it with the nutrients (which is more difficult to do with Earth Juice, but it can be done) you can either sprinkle the dolomite on the surface of the soil and water it in, or mix a tablespoon of dolomite to a gallon of water directly and do it that way. I prefer to mix with water, but you really have to continuously agitate it between containers as the dolomite isn't very soluble in water so it will settle quickly on the bottom.

Afterward you can help rinse it in better with some more fresh water. Do you check the pH of your run-off? If so just realize that what drains out immediately isn't going to differ very much. After a little while you should be able to measure that the pH is rising.
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^^^^^WORD^^^^^

I top dress with the lime simply because it clogs my water head. Either way is fine. The important thing is to get it on there.

Once you see the good it does, it will always be a part of your mix.

Do not flush. The watering in of the lime will be enough and it's really hard to over do EJ.

Wet
 
phenix white

phenix white

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do i bubble the chlorine out with the ej or alone for 24 hrs, then add the ej then bubble for 24 hours?
Wetdog said:
Tap @7.2 is fine, EJ doesn't seem to play all that well with RO water. You will need to bubble the chlorine out of the tap or let it sit out for 24hrs. RO is great for hydro, less so for soil and even more less so for organics. This has just been my observation over time.

First your soil. Most organic or peat based mixes are acidic and need something to buffer the soil's pH. I use powdered dolomite lime. DON'T mess with the pellets as they take waaaay too long to break down and work. Oyster shell flour is also good if it's available. Lowes is the only place around me that has the powdered/ground dolomite lime.

Besides buffering your soil and keeping the pH in the sweet spot, dolomite also provides cal/mag and keeps those problems from popping up.

"I" use 1tbl/gallon of mix or 1cup/CuFt of mix. Works best if added to the mix before use, but it can be top dressed on and watered in. If you are going to transplant, be sure and add it to the mix.

Now the Earth Juice.

First off, it's best not to think of EJ as a nute like FF or something where you just mix it up and dump it on the plant. Think of it more as a nutrient tea and you are closer to the mark.

It works best if bubbled. A cheap aquarium pump, airstone and a 5 gallon bucket will get you going.

Catalyst is very important!!! This is the 'food' that gets all the microbes and BB in the EJ woke up and ready to work. Molasses will also do since it is cheaper than the catalyst, but the cat has more goodies in it. I usually alternate between the two of them or, use 1/2 doses of each.

Micro Blast is also very important. Most organics are very light on micros and trace elements and the MB helps prevent deficiency's. Don't need a lot or very often, but you do need it.

Meta K - K is very important in flower and this is good to have. Myself, I've gotten away from the MK and now just use ProTekt from Dyna-Gro as both a K source and a silica supplement. It works great at both and cheap to boot.

Any questions, ask away.:peace:

Chems are a lot easier aren't they?:mrgreen:

Wet
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