Imus ...

matcha said:

I think its kind of a cop out to blame media for the deeper issues and problems this culture has. Back in the day, ella fitzgerald was probably as loathed by parents as eminem is loathed by you.

The issue is that basic ethics and principles has eroded with each generation, and now we're at a point where our fundamental morals and principles are non existent, and that vacancy is filled by commercialized "lifestyles". Not just rap. I listen to alot of punk, and the trend, for awhile, has been to sell an entire outlook: morals, styles, attitudes.

I don't want to say its the parents fault, cus its not really. This is like a societal evolution, and our progression to this point has been a shift from traditional child rearing and personality formation to a commercially dictated method of child rearing and subsequent personality formation.

Just my opinion.

Also, I don't think that is really an turning back from the path that we're on. Materialism is like an inborn drive now.

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*jazz and popular music from the days of old contained just as many lewd lyrics as todays music.("black snake moan" is not a song about any old snake) the musicians mastered the art that is double-meanings and innuendos. we as a society have become so blatantly open about topics once considered to be taboo. people don't even bother hiding it anymore.

i agree wholeheartedly with your post. i grew up listening to punk and still do. things were different back in my day. we had to seek it out, not so much prepackaging of a belief system. unlike now. which does create a case of cause and effect. kids today are apathetic towards seeking out new and original ideas. why should they? just add water and you've got yourself an identity.

i'm constantly observing the world around me. not that this is something new, but i'm a mommy now. someone is depending on me to put the world in perspective for them and give them some workings to a path so they can find their own way.

toughest job ever! everywhere i look something is dictating to our kids what they should think, dislike and if you don't get what you want it's ok to act like an ass about it. i think most parents have the best intentions where their children are concerned. no one plans on raising a "charles whitman" or "jim jones".

the thing is once we let them out there in the world we can only hope they retain what info we send them out there with. i eventually opted on home schooling my lil one. it has been an interesting social experiment.

she has no concept of what the hell a "bratz doll" is nor why she should care. she is not phased by other people's physical appearances.
she could give a damn what you think about her. if she wants to wear a tiara every day she is going to wear it! it is a beautiful thing.

we have our tough times i will admit that. like any parent does. i just want her to understand that life is not a tv commercial and there is a lot of dishonesty out there. i want her to be able to have a mind of her own.

Blazin24/7 said:

My 9 year old loves Fleetwood Mac.......but she loves Fergie...and Eminem.....I don't see her turing out so bad listening to the same selection I do.....she knows right from wrong she knows she can't say the bad words....most of the time she makes up happy words to replace those bad ones

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i took my daughter to go see mastodon and public enemy a few months ago. i'm pretty sure she will be stealing car stereos and starting mass fires any day now. i blame her nonstop listening to gwen stefani myself.

They should burn Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson at the stake. And Imus as well, because he copped out and appologized to the black community like a little bitch. I would have told the media to 'suck my white dick!'

Imus appologized to the women of the basketball team. They were gracious enough to accept the appology. That should have been the end of it.

If any good is coming out of this whole fiasco, its that Rap music is finally taking it in the shorts. Good riddance.

Vi

Maybe it's because you're so ancient and wise ViiRedd, but I think you're out of touch with the youth and their interest in rap music. I can assure you that the same good ol' violent, snitch hating, bitch fucking, weed smoking snoop dogg will still be there when Anderson Cooper and FOX news move on to the next story.

I'll be happy when anyone (white or black) can say the word 'nigger' and not be labelled a RACIST for doing so. Using the word does not make you a racist. Believing that one's own race is superior to all others makes you a racist. Saying nigger just makes you an asshole. That's not nearly as bad.

I know that Imus never said that word... But he was labelled a racist for simply saying 'Nappy headed hoes' LOL If he said 'nigger' he would have been sentenced to death it would seem. LOL

Yes, you are correct ... I am out of touch with rap music ... and that's where I want to be. I see no redeeming value in it. To me, it sounds like bad (really bad) poetry, spoken in a gutteral language, surrounded by a lot of really inferior musicians. Beethoven, anyone?

Vi

Rap is missing the most important ingredient necessary for music to live up to its reason for being... and posses redeeming, edifying value... BEAUTY....
Beauty is truth…
Rap seems to me to celebrate and worship the worst of the human condition.
Where is the beauty?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

4theist20 said:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Yeppers, that's exactly what I told my Mom when I was 14. I had fallen in love with the old blues musicians and singers. She hated that music as much as I hate rap. I think what we have here, more than anything else, is a generation gap. Rap really does suck though. *lol*

Vi

Hi 4t...to some degree you are correct....what about the concept of universal beauty? Is there such a thing?
IMO, with the amazing artistic accomplishments of humanity available to our society for consumption, how is rap in any way desirable, and how can it posses beauty in comparison to other more intricate and demanding genres of music?
Rap does not exist in a vacuum.