Inda-gro Induction...

tet1953

Well-Known Member
Spliff, there are obvioulsly many people interested in these lights and your results. As I said before, there is nothing wrong with being an evangelist for a product you really like and believe in. If, however, you have any kind of interest in the design, manufacture or sale of these lights or any stake in the success in Inda-Gro I think that is something that ought to be revealed. I am not claiming that is the case or anything but I don't recall you saying one way or the other.
The results will speak for themselves, that's for sure.
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
Great video update spliff..........Damn these panels do seem to produce great flowering results(the phosphor blend baby!!ha)......it's impressive for the stated wattage:weed:

be safe and happy growing
 

YouGrowBoy

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Not making any judgements as I have not done any comparisons, but a friend of mine wrote to the guy selling these (the seller is a commercial grower and grow room builder/consultant) asking why he's trading his Inda-gro's for 1000w HID and he said "We will be using them for veg and cloning only from now on. They are fantastic for those applications. They work ok for flowering but the yield was not acceptable for our customers."
 

puffenuff

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Induction may be my next experiment after I do another led test or two. If I like what I see here, I may make it happen even sooner. Keep plugging this thread with info and pics please!
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
Hi Spliff, Been a bit busy recently setting up a new room but within the next few weeks should have a really cool project I hope to share.

Something I think your pictures show here, one in particular, illustrates the major differences in housing and reflector designs. Take a close look at the picture that shows the side by side of both fixtures with the open lamps. Assuming the picture is taken with both fixtures centered in the image so reflectivity is equal within the image you'll see a substantial difference in reflector construction. Aside from the fact that the 'white' fixture on the left is heavier and deeper and the reflector is of an apparent lower quality the geometry is completely wrong.

Look at how many times you see the lamp mirrored in the reflector on the 'white' fixture on the left. Especially at the end caps. This is likely due to the reflector being at a right angle to the lamp. Possibly the white fixture reflector is just afixed to the exterior housing. Take a closer look at that light and if in fact that is the case and you wish to continue to use the 'white' fixture then you'll want to adjust these reflectors to push more light to the canopy. Theres not much you can do with the main reflector though. Poor quality reflector materials and reflector geometry will play up to a 10% difference in PPFD at the canopy surface. You can see this for yourself by using any light meter and then compare the values in intensity. Other then some back imaging, which is to be expected, the Inda-Gro shows none of that imaging in it's reflector design consequently higher intensitites to the canopy will be present from the Inda-Gro fixture.

the technology as Nikola Tesla invented it in the 1890s is rather different (in applied materials and such) from how modern manufacturers apply it today. back then, they did not have ballasts capable of achieving a 2.65mHz output signal. borosilicate glass...? forget about it. you think 800$ for a lamp that is warrantied for a whole solid decade is a lot of money? thats 80$ a year. seems pretty inexpensive when compared to HID bulb costs, wouldn't you agree? did you check out that SolarStorm LED thing? friggin monstrosity with imbalanced output at almost 2 grand.. and 800w draw.

i'm sorry if you feel that my bias here is in direct regard to Inda-Gro. for your information, i'm an environmental studies major. my focus is on sustainable indoor horticulture. for 2 years, that focus was on indoor suburban food production. organic and in the home. IN the home; indoor lighting and fanatical attention to overall cost of operation, as the way i see it, huge electric bills not only buy PGE execs summer homes, but they also necessitate the installation of hydroelectric dams up and down our rivers that eff up the local watersheds and impede the seasonal movements of fish. i spent about a year researching LED and Sulfur Plasma Induction, EFDL, CMH, and LPS before i took over my own grow from my initial OMMP grower.

my first lamps for my own grow were a 200w and a 400w EFDL from a company that due to their inferior product quality i will not name here (the 400w suffered a failed ballast on month 11 from its date of manufacture - after literally 1.5 months of 18/6 and less than one month of 12/12). i will, however post a pic here of their surviving 200w vs the Inda-Gro 200PAR. the PAR is on the right with the brownish housing, but i will include incremental top-to-bottom pics so that you skeptics here can see that i'm not trying to pull anything tricky on you.

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despite the fact that these first EFDL lamps now show to be inferior to Inda-Gro EFDL, they did, none the less, demonstrate clearly that this lighting technology outperforms HID. Hence my personal choice to purchase my 200- and 420-PARs from Darryl at Inda-Gro rather than spend the 200$ on the ballast that the other company wanted to sell me to rectify the issue of their failed 400w. ya... figure that out... i'm stumped how that works for them.

but i digress.

what i am most passionate about here is a cost effective solution to the indoor cultivation of the highest quality herb possible. hands down, the electric bill is the biggest issue that all indoor pharmers have in common, and the choice of light is at the very heart of that. i am passionate about quality herb, small electric bills, paradigm shifts, and the ability of the individual to be able to do right by their own standard of measure. that's why i'm being so open with my experience with these lights. i do not work for Inda-Gro, but i am on a first name basis with Darryl. i'm not "elite" like that; he's a wonderful and very approachable guy. he's all about MMJ and power to the people, and would happily talk with any of you in regards to his products. call him and chat for yourself. i won't post his contact info here, but it's readily available on www.inda-gro.com. i do have an interest in Inda-Gro; i would love to see them grow their market share and have a national impact on changing the face on indoor gardening for the better. as their share increases, their prices will come down - all other technologies are like that. but don't get crazy with cost comparisons... if you had to fell a tree, would you choose a chainsaw or an axe? axes cost less but chainsaws do the job better, with a different technological approach to the task. i think that's a rather fair analogy for the comparison between HID and Inda-Gro. it's different. it's better.

what i do, is stand behind my high opinion of these lamps. they are amazing. this isn't about endorsing lamps because i have a commission coming my way, it's a case of love for the common man, and the want for us to be able to take control of a large portion of our monthly finances back from the utility companies. it's about my love of herb. if it's worth growing at all, it's worth growing it with the utmost passion and attention to the needs of the plant. it's about a sacred medicine, and our right to be able to provide for our own needs.

anyways, i need to get back to my BHO run. i'll check back later.

be well yall
 

jubiare

Active Member
Not making any judgements as I have not done any comparisons, but a friend of mine wrote to the guy selling these (the seller is a commercial grower and grow room builder/consultant) asking why he's trading his Inda-gro's for 1000w HID and he said "We will be using them for veg and cloning only from now on. They are fantastic for those applications. They work ok for flowering but the yield was not acceptable for our customers."
Yeah I had the same answer! Not judging either, actually I'd like to see those inda be good for flowering!
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
This is a very good video in that he describes the important relationship between UV-B and Trichome production. I'm no phosphor expert...and the quantum excitation and emissions of phosphors is a science/black art unto itself... but I do know a bit about chemistry and glass.

Borosilicate transmits up to 90% of any UV-B generated from within the lamp. So the problem getting UV-B to plants isn't with the glass its with the triphosphor blends that are used in general area lighting applications. These phosphors, when describing the blue regions of the phosphors go by BAM (Barium, Aluminum, Magnesium molecule) and they absorb the majority of the wavelengths within the UV-B range which is fine for general area lighting. However for a grow light application you do want a small percentage of UV-B making it past the glass and on to the plants.

For grow light blends it becomes necessary to add extra phosphors such as those used in tanning lamps (Orthophosphate Ca-Zn) to assure those broad blue spectrum (BAM) phosphors allow a percentage UV-B photons to not be absorbed by the BAM phosphors and pass through the glass. When properly blended and coated the 290nm UV-B emission has proven enhancements to trichome production without adding additional sources/wattage to the application.

This is all relative in terms of the overall spectrum that the plant sees. It does not take a high percentage of the overall phosphor blend to be devoted to the UV-B regions to trigger the plants natural defenses by generating higher oil, resin and trichome production. The Inda-Gro PAR blends emits 3% of their entire spectral distribution @ 290nm.

@PSUAGRO: idk... phillips is a hard brand for me to fan-boy for... it's cool that you dig them tho! i'm pretty visual, but was unable to locate pics of their whatever it is on their site... maybe i was too hasty... but on a fast read, i noted the line about the light to grow healthy plants. growing plants in a vegetative mode is one thing, like lettuce, spinach, or cabbage... very simple.

we all know how flowering metabolism changes things in regards to details to attend to in an indoor garden, but not too many light manufacturers pay attention to the needs of resinous plants to have appreciable levels of UV-B in their spectrum. the Inda-Gro PAR lamps have that base covered. for those of you that are unfamiliar with UV-B and cannabis, enjoy the video:
[video=youtube;lfiI78uN3Ks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfiI78uN3Ks[/video]

ya... guy in the video seems kinda like a burn-out... that's not the point. he's dropping science there. good science. so sit back and pack one, roll one, dab one, whatever. get medicated and get educated.

for some reason, tho we're strangers here, i want to help all of you to grow better nugs.

peace and love
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
Not making any judgements as I have not done any comparisons, but a friend of mine wrote to the guy selling these (the seller is a commercial grower and grow room builder/consultant) asking why he's trading his Inda-gro's for 1000w HID and he said "We will be using them for veg and cloning only from now on. They are fantastic for those applications. They work ok for flowering but the yield was not acceptable for our customers."
I was actually going to buy these until I found out the warranty was not transferable. As I inquired further I also was told that he loved them for veg but that he had too many of them and his client wanted to stay HPS for flower. Which if that what his client wants then whose to argue.

I ended up not buying them but while I was kicking around what else he was selling I did see that the used 32ft Super VEG Trailer he was also selling for $50K had the 420's in it and he took them out for 1000watt adjusta wings so he may not have actually liked them for veg either or more likely he's taking the 420's out and putting in cheaper lights to maximize the sale on his used equipment.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110869302778?_trksid=e11051.m203&_trkparms=algo=CRX&itu=LM+LA+UCI+UCC&otn=1&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1348

Make of it what you will but it's a tough market building and selling grow trailers and in my case I wanted warranties on mine so even on a 'deal' I wouldn't take the chance for a couple hundred bucks in savings.
 

brotherjericho

Well-Known Member
Amen to ya brother! give the man a break..
Not hassling anyone, just doubting the hype is all. I've seen other threads out there, even with the 420. Starts out "wow, check out my plants" then either the thread is never finished or the grower finds out flowering is not that great.

I veg my plants under 55w 6500k PLLs. They do really well under them now that I know how far to keep them distance wise. But I know that switching out to 2700k will not give the same results as an HPS bulb, I'd just have less heat to deal with. So I opted for a PG180 for flowering and since I try to do 3 plants at a time, I'll be side lighting with some type of fluorescent.

Yes, the PG180 is also expensive. But I've seen some decent grows with it by sources who seemed to be unbiased. If an induction bulb would give me the same or better flowering results as some of the better LEDs, I'd consider it. But I know that they are just another form of fluorescent, and I already know what the capabilities are there. And all of the induction grows I've seen, even with Inda-Gro, have been just OK.
 

brotherjericho

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I am skeptical of all advertisements dude, I know several people in marketing. I know the tricks they can play so I tend to only trust the average joe, but I need more than just a few of those joes.
 

Buck123

Well-Known Member
Marketing what was not what i seen in the video... It explained induction isnt perfect but for people who want low heat low power consumption bulbs that never need replacing this could be for you!
 

Splifferous

New Member
I am skeptical of all advertisements dude, I know several people in marketing. I know the tricks they can play so I tend to only trust the average joe, but I need more than just a few of those joes.
i can relate, i used to be a skeptic too. what it took for me to come out from behind my own ignorance was to try them out for myself. Inda-Gro offers a 30 day return policy less shipping and handling, so why not try one for yourself and stop making it look like you have nothing productive to contribute here.

personally, i dont see myself ever using the return policy; i'm in the process of saving up for more 420s...
 
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