Inda-gro Induction...

chazbolin said:

Now now BJ that's no way to treat a new member to the forums. Perhaps he's not as skilled a grower as you and lacks the objectivity and analytical reasoning that you so clearly possess. It may be that he also lacks your elocution and literary prowess in his responses to your finely crafted posts. But chill out. No one is trying to prove anything to you. I would however be interested in seeing that PG180 LED setup of yours for your flowering. Would you be so kind as to point us in the direction of that thread?

Namaste

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I'm not a skilled grower at all, I'm very new. But I've been growing with PLLs and have learned quite a bit about them through research and failed grows (lights were too close for young plants). So I was just offering a suggestion to try, not saying it would be right. My plants do not like to be close when very young to the PLLs but grow very well once established by having them about 4"-6". Now of course they are not as intense as a 420 would be, so perhaps 12" is better, I don't know. Again, it was merely a suggestion based on similar technologies, because induction is fluorescent.

I have been very skeptical in this thread because I have researched induction all over the web. I too want lighting that is effective and good for controlling heat. That is why I am using LED for flowering right now, I cannot do HPS because of the heat.

Look it up, every thread on MJ sites start out well, then either don't finish, or they do with the general comments that even the 420s are good for vegging and just OK for flowering. In fact, most of the threads that start out using the 420s simply fail to be updated after some vegging time. This is the only thread where this one guy, who has posted almost nothing else on RUI but about how good these lights are, comes along. Then he tosses out the idea that there is a 30 day money back guarantee? Sorry, but something smells.

brotherjericho said:

I'm not a skilled grower at all, I'm very new.

good for controlling heat. That is why I am using LED for flowering right now, I cannot do HPS because of the heat.

Then he tosses out the idea that there is a 30 day money back guarantee?

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You're not a 'skilled grower'. OK I got that

You need to 'control heat so you go with a ProGrow 180 LED for flowering'. I respect your methods but watt:watt I've never had, seen or heard of any LED bring weight near what I consistently bring in, or Spliff is seeing and sharing with others here. Perhaps you can help us see the benefits of your methods instead of pounding everyone here.

It's clear to me that you possess the unparalleled wisdom to buy an LED panel that will outproduce Inda-Gro without the heat of the HPS. And in purchasing that panel ProGrow LED panel they offered you a return policy that goes over their stated 30 day return policy if you're not, by some chance, entirely satisfied with the results. Show me anywhere how either you, or your preferred ProGrow LED, back both of those claims up. pics and point me to a journal/thread please so we can all quit wasting our time here and share in your success.

Lastly if you're basing your poor past induction lamp experiences on having used ProGrow induction lamps http://www.progrowlights.com/ I can see why you would have had issues with the technology and might suggest you start a thread that would illustrate those experiences as well. As a subscriber to your upcoming thread my first question would be if the ProGrow full spectrum induction lamp they 'manufacture'

No need to move plants, lamps or rooms. Our technology provides the full color spectrum, uvA and uvB and peaked red and blue spectral energy which are vital for both veg and bloom stages of growth. No need to change bulbs or location - just change your cycle time.​

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works so well why not put the lamp in a housing and why bother 'manufacturing' an LED at all?

Well when the summer months come upon us..........It come's down to the alternative lighting discussion every year, and turns into a shit show But in the end it's all about the girls and spliff/chaz are showing us(with great skill mind you) that their panel's are indeed worthy of consideration.......Yes us HID guys are a fickle bunch, the shit just works and it's hard to turn away from something that is so effective.....will get there.......

I've tried the progrow line/returned it due to questionable quality issues and calling him out on his claims of diode selections(lots of lies/ben is a dick).....followed many grows using them and they don't stack up to spliff's or chaz's grows under the 420.......calling it like it is........so let's get back to the grows (nice pics spliff btw)

be safe and happy growing

ya, this is the only thread on RIU that i participate in, i fail to see your point there. there are several other sites that i actively participate in on different aspects of cannabis culture. not to toot my own horn, but i'm also pretty adept at organic chemistry as it pertains to various extraction techniques. for any that are interested, here's a few pics of a few of my various oil runs (which generally take one hour, from packing the tubes to taking the first taste off the TI nail):












it can suffice to say that i take cannabis VERY seriously. i have studied horticulture and organic gardening at a college level for several years, and since i am an ommp patient/grower, i felt free to openly discuss cannabis cultivation with 3 of my PHD having instructors; all of which had personal experience growing cannabis.

due to finances, i had elected to have a grower other than myself last year, but in that time i helped them to increase harvest weight 40% with just pruning techniques and changing the locations of their existing HPS lamps. i've help countless other local growers achieve similar increases by educating them on various other topics such as plant nutrition, CO2/heat balancing for peak metabolism, and the addition of light movers.

i had also been learning about HID alternatives in that time, and found out about EFDL (i had previously been leaning towards LEDs), and also Inda-Gro in partiular, which I asked about at a local collective. the owner referred me to her husband, who owned a grow shop. he had a set of EFDL lamps, from a different manufacturer; a 200w and a 400w, both bi-spectrum. he donated them to me, due to my finances, and also due to the assistance that i had given at the collective, to other patients. and so there you have it. my introduction to EFDL in general had zero buy in for me. i guess yay for me, right? but see, one month into bloom, the 400w crapped out. the manufacturer didn't want to honor a transferred warranty so my option was to put out $200 for a ballast replacement... or put that $200 towards a 420PAR, which i, based on research, believed would out perform the 400W that i had been using.

and boy am i stoked with my choice there! all i have been trying to do is share my experience with these lamps here. i found this thread via google and noticed that there weren't a lot of them in general. i had already searched the forums on the other sites that i frequent, and they didnt have anything there either. so i decided to pitch my $0.02 where it looked like others had started tossing theirs.

what's upsetting, and i apologize for letting it get to me earlier, is that all you are doing is poo-pooing what we have to share, and it's not even opinion here. I HAVE PICS. I HAVE VIDEO. its you that has naught but (unfounded) opinion. i'm not trying to be personal here, but i say "unfounded" because you have no first hand experience with them, and we do. regardless if someone has a stake or interest in something that they believe in, that shouldn't negate the passion that they feel for it. all those people that advocate exercise, what are they trying to sell you?

as i previously stated, my passion is earth first. i love cannabis and indoor cultivation, but i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i actually tallied up an electric bill like my ex-grower ($4000 per month, electric alone), just for where i know those kilowatt hours come from... hydro dams that are detrimental to salmon runs. when researching the lights that i was going to use, to take a step towards my own self-sufficiency, i studied long and hard. before i put out a cent on one, i certainly had my mind made up. i know that it's rare to be gifted the chance to try a technology that is "fringe" by some accounts, and that's why i sought to share my experience.

also, Darryl is a good man. he stands behind the medical cannabis community with his personal reputation as well as that of his company. he's not like Sony or LG, where is one thing bombs, he can shift focus to something else... these lamps are his everything, and after using them personally, i can see that his efforts are quite fruitful indeed.

anyways, i just wanted to toss that up before going to bed... watering the plants is meditative for me, and the girls hadn't needed it for the past 3 days... so sorry for being grumpy earlier. off to some oil dabs for me!!!

take care yall.

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SICK!!! I want some

PSUAGRO. said:

Well when the summer months come upon us..........It come's down to the alternative lighting discussion every year, and turns into a shit show But in the end it's all about the girls and spliff/chaz are showing us(with great skill mind you) that their panel's are indeed worthy of consideration.......Yes us HID guys are a fickle bunch, the shit just works and it's hard to turn away from something that is so effective.....will get there.......

I've tried the progrow line/returned it due to questionable quality issues and calling him out on his claims of diode selections(lots of lies/ben is a dick).....followed many grows using them and they don't stack up to spliff's or chaz's grows under the 420.......calling it like it is........so let's get back to the grows (nice pics spliff btw)

be safe and happy growing

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Thank you for sharing that important part of the equation. If the technology gets a bad name it will because of China direct and companies like ProGrow products that like the LED claims often due simply misstate what these lamps are really capable of doing in a grow room environment. Would you tell us what led to your buying the ProGrow products in the first place? Any recommendations for others on what to look for would be good info.

chazbolin said:

Thank you for sharing that important part of the equation. If the technology gets a bad name it will because of China direct and companies like ProGrow products that like the LED claims often due simply misstate what these lamps are really capable of doing in a grow room environment. Would you tell us what led to your buying the ProGrow products in the first place? Any recommendations for others on what to look for would be good info.

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Well we would have to ask Buck if it's cool to post any recommendations(which would be mute/ because I haven't grown with them)......the guy that started getting me interested in the pro grow's was a fellow on riu named ENDIVE....who ran decent and consistent grows(small tents).........I will be experimenting with a new panel soon(when it arrives!!fucking paypal/it will be using cree-xpe/osram rebel leds); however it is not designed for large scale(imo) and will be reflected as such by running a small stealth grow with it(might journal it)..........be safe and happy growing guys

jubiare said:

Hey! I have a feeling what you are expecting to receive!!! I say well done!!!

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.....................ha, you know

Na Psuagro dude fire away you haven't put a foot outta line... Bong on live long lads!

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/comparison-grow-hps-vs-induction.42338/page-6#post-843333

Seriously people, be careful how you spend your money.

That's a pretty good forum until you get tag teamed by people calling you and mother Theresa a liar. Seriously Mother Theresa. Is it really necessary to share your anti-christian bias here in these forums?

So when following BJ's advice on how to spend your money you'll want to ignore everything ever posted on the subject and adhere to what I see as a brilliant synopsis to any technology that would compete with the current lamp/relamp business as follows;

'Scientific discovery (19th century) --------> Ignore it, its too hard and expensive (its not) --------> Use something easier to measure and understand which correlates to, but does not equal, the scientific discovery (i.e. use an inferior model) --------> 100% market penetration (laziness, or incorrectly assumed barrier to entry into the known superior model) --------> Learn by experience, not science --------> Everyone present data differently -------->New discoveries are questionable --------> Bicker about it on the internet (everyone is wrong, or only partially correct--for the most part)'

and I might further add throw in a bit of character and company assassination for good measure. That should make it easy to keep anyone from considering adopting any technology that might interfere with our 'tried and true' methods.

Well seeing that everyone has stopped commenting now cause of BJs post, i'm just gonna put my 2 cents in......as I stated earlier in the thread we all should take everything we read on the internet "with a grain of salt",...now chaz is an affiliate of indagro(quite obvious) and he's condoning their product that seems to be doing very well for wattage used.......problem is he should have acknowledge that fact when asked multiple times in this thread instead of ignoring it...So now us RIU members are questioning everything both you and spliff have shown (sorry spliff/ your a great grower) us with your grows....stated simply its fucking tainted now.......are they using ,cheating the grow(hid)??? Blah blah blah and so forth; its unfortunate really because I saw some kick ass efdl grows in here(maybe/hopefully) and now its another unfinished (questionable) induction grow.....sad...and it doesn't help its acceptance into the horticultural field by being deceitful.......anyways I wish indagro the best of luck, but maybe change your marketing tactics


Peace....and happy growing

As previously stated I work for myself. I have a partial disability and work when I can doing light electrical work, carpentry, etc. helping set up grow rooms and assisting various friends grows. I have always enjoyed forums and found RIU to be one of the best in terms of respect, shared ideas and methods and more then once came away with tips that had real value in terms of what it brought to me and my friends. Inda-Gro is everything I've said it is and to those who choose to attack me, call me a liar and threaten me as has been occurring on the other forum has gotten me frustrated and wanting to lash out. I'm a devout Christian who loves my God, my planet and very much my fellow man who would like to leave the world a better place. Nothing I say will ever change peoples opinion of me or my so called motives so I will be leaving both the RIU and THC Farmer forums as a contributing member from this point forward as I've apparently tainted this discussion. My reason for this has been largely driven by the recent attacks that have now brought in people I do not even know but who seem more then capable of defending themselves. Hopefully their posts will be seen as more 'legitimate' but based on what I've been reading the grow could be in you living room and you would find reasons to disqualify it. Sad but true I'm afraid.

I do this with a heavy heart because I truly believed this was worth sharing. I tried to cross share posts because Spliff does beautiful work and it's important that as many people as possible see it for all it is. The good and the bad. That is how we learn. That is definitely how I've learned. When I asked the moderators at THCF why these kind of attacks were allowed in these forums I was ignored. It's obvious to me that they have their opinions and nothing should threaten their relations with those site sponsors with a product that helps drive a nail into their profits from traditional product lines and continuing financial support. Calling both me and Mother Theresa a liar and then subsequently posting a three part video over why he justified the comment and believes it was appropriate to begin with then by referring to her as 'Hells Angel' in this video was a gut punch to me, as a Christian was completely uncalled for and is more then I'm willing to take as the mods idly standby.

I would like apologize to Buck, Spliff, DonoHayes, and anyone past or present on either site or forum which I've been on that has suffered from any of the attacks, insults to you or your intents that I have apparently brought on. I would not blame you if you chose to not post another thing from your grows since it has now been tainted by me. I was and continue to be excited by the technology and a product I confidently use and have installed in over 30 grow rooms whereby the vast majority of this product is for MMJ users who I've grown quite fond of and the results have always spoken for themselves.

More will come after me to post their own results which I can assure will not have anything to do with me or my opinion as I'm done and request that the moderator permanently remove me as an active member.

Still got a sample light on the way.. Just letting these pests get under ya skin chaz dont stress mate bong on live long!

These Inda-Gro lights might indeed be the best thing to hit the MMJ lighting scene in years, but if so, over zealousness by users or just plain blatant marketing by affiliates is going to ruin any chance the company has to sell these things. You guys might well be independent growers who are just pleased with what the lights are doing for you production and energy wise, but if so, perhaps you should look at all of your posts on the subject from the perspective of those who are a bit more skeptical. Most of them read like advertisements, and are peppered with terms and phrases used by the seller or these lights.

As stated previously, I'm a new grower for the most part, and I could be easily swayed if I was not also very cautious and skeptical. I took a big risk just buying a Pro-Grow 180 based on negative reviews of the company that sells them. But I also saw several people who were happy with them, and they did not come off as people who were trying to drum up more business for Hydroponics Hut. The price was more than Blackstar, but less than other similar offerings. 25 days in 12/12 and my one plant looks very good (in my limited opinion) and the other plant that just went under the light a few days ago is already showing promise, so I'm happy thus far with my purchase.

Personally, I wanted to like induction, more so than the LEDs. Again, as stated before, I use PLLs for vegging and I think they are great for that. I might even try flowering with some 2700-3000k versions later on if I find the space, just to see how they do. I knew the induction lights were similar technology, just without electrodes. The idea of higher wattages than other bulbs also looked ideal, so you could pack more power in a smaller footprint for smaller grows.

But the prices turned me off big time. Yes, we can talk longevity, but that is like saying hard drives can last 10 years. Some do, while others crash in a week. And warranties are only good if the company you buy from is around to honor them.

Hopefully, the end result of this thread is a learning lesson for all involved: for the users (if you are not really affiliates), to tone down the zealousness that comes across as advertising. For the doubters, that perhaps these folks are legit and really think these lights are great, just don't know how to not come across as unbiased.

As for me, I don't think I'll be looking back into these things again until the prices come down and I see more unbiased, complete grow journals.

what is a "PLLs" and do you have pics of your set up? fyi kelvin has nothing to do with PAR flowering

brotherjericho said:

These Inda-Gro lights might indeed be the best thing to hit the MMJ lighting scene in years, but if so, over zealousness by users or just plain blatant marketing by affiliates is going to ruin any chance the company has to sell these things. You guys might well be independent growers who are just pleased with what the lights are doing for you production and energy wise, but if so, perhaps you should look at all of your posts on the subject from the perspective of those who are a bit more skeptical. Most of them read like advertisements, and are peppered with terms and phrases used by the seller or these lights.

As stated previously, I'm a new grower for the most part, and I could be easily swayed if I was not also very cautious and skeptical. I took a big risk just buying a Pro-Grow 180 based on negative reviews of the company that sells them. But I also saw several people who were happy with them, and they did not come off as people who were trying to drum up more business for Hydroponics Hut. The price was more than Blackstar, but less than other similar offerings. 25 days in 12/12 and my one plant looks very good (in my limited opinion) and the other plant that just went under the light a few days ago is already showing promise, so I'm happy thus far with my purchase.

Personally, I wanted to like induction, more so than the LEDs. Again, as stated before, I use PLLs for vegging and I think they are great for that. I might even try flowering with some 2700-3000k versions later on if I find the space, just to see how they do. I knew the induction lights were similar technology, just without electrodes. The idea of higher wattages than other bulbs also looked ideal, so you could pack more power in a smaller footprint for smaller grows.

But the prices turned me off big time. Yes, we can talk longevity, but that is like saying hard drives can last 10 years. Some do, while others crash in a week. And warranties are only good if the company you buy from is around to honor them.

Hopefully, the end result of this thread is a learning lesson for all involved: for the users (if you are not really affiliates), to tone down the zealousness that comes across as advertising. For the doubters, that perhaps these folks are legit and really think these lights are great, just don't know how to not come across as unbiased.

As for me, I don't think I'll be looking back into these things again until the prices come down and I see more unbiased, complete grow journals.

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PSUAGRO. said:

Well seeing that everyone has stopped commenting now cause of BJs post, i'm just gonna put my 2 cents in......as I stated earlier in the thread we all should take everything we read on the internet "with a grain of salt",...now chaz is an affiliate of indagro(quite obvious) and he's condoning their product that seems to be doing very well for wattage used.......problem is he should have acknowledge that fact when asked multiple times in this thread instead of ignoring it...So now us RIU members are questioning everything both you and spliff have shown (sorry spliff/ your a great grower) us with your grows....stated simply its fucking tainted now.......are they using ,cheating the grow(hid)??? Blah blah blah and so forth; its unfortunate really because I saw some kick ass efdl grows in here(maybe/hopefully) and now its another unfinished (questionable) induction grow.....sad...and it doesn't help its acceptance into the horticultural field by being deceitful.......anyways I wish indagro the best of luck, but maybe change your marketing tactics


Peace....and happy growing

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Actually, it doesn't take rocket science to be able to see who's all about the money, vs. who's all about the medicine. It's not about "weight", really anyways...Quality vs Quantity. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be free of pain than have lots of plant matter to deal with. Shoot, I don't even smoke it...I smoke hash and oil.(oh and may I throw in here....only Spliff's oil, he's perfected it like he does everything else he puts his hands on) Anyone outside of this forum that stumbles on these posts will be able to decipher through all the drama on what is fact and what isn't. It's not hard to point out. I barely know anything about growing, but....even me as a "dumb chick", can tell what's going on here. Someone is obviously stepping on someone's toes. I don't even know Darryl, but what I've heard and seen....in my opinion, he's an awesome person. I'd stand beside him. He's already earned my respect, and I've never spoke to him or seen him irl. Just knowing what he stands for and how he treats others is enough for me. That coming from a survivor of Domestic Violence that has PTSD, that...means a lot.(I trust very little people in my life) These people can keep on rambling, the more they do, the more they look like idiots. Keep up the good work guys! There's patients out there that DO appreciate your work in figuring out the best way to create quality medicines. I'm very proud.

Blue72 said:

Actually, it doesn't take rocket science to be able to see who's all about the money, vs. who's all about the medicine. It's not about "weight", really anyways...Quality vs Quantity. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be free of pain than have lots of plant matter to deal with. Shoot, I don't even smoke it...I smoke hash and oil.(oh and may I throw in here....only Spliff's oil, he's perfected it like he does everything else he puts his hands on) Anyone outside of this forum that stumbles on these posts will be able to decipher through all the drama on what is fact and what isn't. It's not hard to point out. I barely know anything about growing, but....even me as a "dumb chick", can tell what's going on here. Someone is obviously stepping on someone's toes. I don't even know Darryl, but what I've heard and seen....in my opinion, he's an awesome person. I'd stand beside him. He's already earned my respect, and I've never spoke to him or seen him irl. Just knowing what he stands for and how he treats others is enough for me. That coming from a survivor of Domestic Violence that has PTSD, that...means a lot.(I trust very little people in my life) These people can keep on rambling, the more they do, the more they look like idiots. Keep up the good work guys! There's patients out there that DO appreciate your work in figuring out the best way to create quality medicines. I'm very proud.

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Hi Blue.....welcome to RIU first of all.......And I agree with you on most of your points..........Still doesn't change the shitty air lingering all over this unfortunately......

Nice pics Spliff.........looks great as always...........If i grew/made hash/oil like you id be very proud too

The shitty air lingering all over this.....well, it's easily seen as ignorance. Ignorance really isn't bliss. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink. The point of whether they're "selling" them or not is mute. The technology is science. You can't really argue with science. Sorry. Well, you can...but then we're back to that "turning your back and covering your ears" part of "ignorance is bliss". Where, those that just ignore this technology will be behind those that will be making quality medicine with it. It's truth. It's fact. I don't sit here and look at tons of pics online, I haven't been around tons of cannabis, but...my untrained eyes can still see the difference. There's nothing that should be NEEDED to be proved here. It should be about us all wanting to expand our options. I'm not going to write a novel here though and waste my breath. I don't feel I need to anyways, the "drama posts" speak for themselves, and I actually find them somewhat amusing. The things people come up with!!! I think someone's medicine is making them paranoid, TBH! lol.