Is cannabis use a sin?

abandonconflict said:

OK first off, this thread isn't the place for bashing any religion. Please, leave opinions about the religion overall out of this. I would like to hear BIBLICAL arguments, for or against the use of cannabis. Does Christianity consider it a sin?

I happen to be an atheist, but I am curious nonetheless if a case can be made, within the scope of biblical cannon, that it is not at all a sin to partake of the mota. If you believe it is, by all means, expound. All I ask is that we respect each other's beliefs.

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GentlemanCheese said:

Nah man, it says in the bible that you're suppose to obey the law, but not if it intervenes with what god says, and in the bible god says it's okay in a few different verses. A lot of "Christians" that state that they're Christian, don't know shit about the religion and open their big mouth about things they haven't actually read, just shit they've been told by uninformed figureheads.

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Guitar Man said:

I try to live by this rule: anything out of moderation is a sin. This is not only supported Biblically, it is the Law of Nature. Look at Fire and Water: both of these can kill, yet are required for life to exist. Humans must find the balance of moderation, doing their best to refrain from over indulging.

I see MJ as no different than using any Herb on the Planet. Coffee, Tea, Aspirin, Narcotics, Sugar, Wine, all of these and more come from plants. The Key is, do your best not to go overboard in ANYTHING, including your Faith.

If someone is sitting on their ass all day long, stoned out of their mind and waiting for a Welfare Check, they may consider some changes in their life.

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cannabineer said:

Technically however a sin is a violation against a divine or supreme entity. Nature is neither, as it is not an entity. I question the applicability of the word sin in this instance. cn

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cannabineer said:

Romans 1:20 is a part of the NT that I find utterly offensive in its bald-faced falsity. It translates as "God is obvious in Nature, and if y'all can't see it, you are idiots". Total appeal to vanity to hide the absence of a demonstrable point. Interestingly, 2000 years of delving into nature have shown that it isn't and never was that simple. On Romans 1:20 alone the tyranny of the book can be broken. Jmo. cn

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cannabineer said:

Forgive, but how-on-Earth does Romans 1:20 have anything to do with homosexuality? It has to do with the idea that Nature proves God's existence and basic properties by simple observation. This idea has not held up under scrutiny. It is one of the plainly wrong things in scripture, and conceals its plain wrongness under the threat of calling dissenters "without excuse" in your translation. cn

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cannabineer said:

I have read the book from cover to cover. My comment is valid. Romans 1:20 assumes as axiom that God is plain in Nature. This is incorrect, as evidenced e.g. by the almost limiting diversity of human religious thought.

Your question about global warming is not germane to the point. Especially asking me if I "believe" in it. I don't need to believe or disbelieve. Global warming will (or will not) take place entirely in the material world and is thus in the proper purview of science. I don't need to believe or disbelieve in it, only to wait. cn

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ckrescho said:

I would like to know where it says that.

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1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Guitar Man said:

You are still avoiding the point(s) by your play on words. In fact, you are not making much sense. You keep diverting away from valid questions and comments, which proves your ignorance.

Religion is man-made. Creation is not. This is why Creation is our greatest Teacher, as Humanity relies on vision to validate the truth. Creation corners every Religion into accountability, UNLESS, they refuse to base truth on the "seen", living in the bondage of the unseen.

Since you've read the Bible from cover to cover, then why did you say that you didn't see how Romans 1:20 relates to Homosexuality? Another point proving your ignorance. Any valid Scholar or Credentialed Bible teacher understands that this verse directly ties into to the remaining 12 verses.

Asking you about Global Warming does tie directly into my argument, and you know it does! I don't give a shit if you believe in it, like a Religion or some other dumb ass idea, but you must have an opinion of some kind regarding if it's the truth or not. IS GLOBAL WARMING REAL????? Yes or No?

Gobal Warming is the direct result of a Society that is not balanced with moderation.

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cannabineer said:

This valid, credentialed guy disagrees with you, and without the patronizing tone. Verse 20 is not about homosexuality in any way, but about the claim that God is demonstrable in the observable world, what you call Creation. And this has not been shown true by anyone.
http://carm.org/does-romans-1-condemn-homosexuality

Romans 1:20 is a restatement of Psalm 19:1-2, which says “The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.”
Imo this is one of those moments when the Bible descends into an orgy of unsupported doctrine. And when it does that, it seriously harms the idea that this is a divine text. In all this time, we have not found one bit of repeatable natural observation that supports either the NT or OT claim.

And that sticks in the craw of any who want to assert that the Bible is correct. My opinion.

As to global warming: do i believe it is possible? Definitely. Do i think it's happening? The data say "probably" but are noisy enough that we cannot cleanly winkle out the causative agents from the first-order effects. Can I determine how much of it is anthropogenic? No. I can make educated guesses but no declarations. Do i see it as a sign of "a society not balanced with moderation?" No, since 1) I cannot find a definition for that phrase, and 2) I have no evidence that the imbalance is a cause and not an effect, if it is indeed so. I counsel against confusing cause for effect for something something that might be neither. So ... what information about me does that answer, which I consider the best honest answer i can give, tell you about me? cn

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Guitar Man said:

I'm going to read between the lines; you're defending Homosexuality in Scripture. If that's the case, IMO, your interpretation is entirely corrupt. Again, Nature proves that Human Homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, and Romans 1 does defend my view clearly. Nature and Scripture, including the Old Testament, reveal the danger and result of this lifestyle. The Apologetics article you posted is Pro Gay, so they have an agenda to prove because of blinded sympathy. People twist the Scripture into their personal agenda instead of just reading it for what it is. Sexual perversion is polluting our planet with false ideas that will play out in Nature, and Mankind will reap what he sows.

What you're doing is exactly what the Scribes and Pharisees did; they twisted the Scripture into vain Laws that caused blindness to the Truth. Using Nature to help us understand is God's perfect way, as this was all that people had before the Cannon. Even when a written Word was available, the main populace had no access to it like we do today. Men and Women relied on the handiwork of the Great Creator for Divine Truth, as the oldest book of the Bible was written after man had been on Earth for 3000 years.

Hollywood, Politics, and even Religion are pressuring the World to accept this behavior, but Nature says, NO! Men with Men=no Children, and, this sexual liberty will lead to further diabolical perversions and diseases.

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