Is it spider mite or other bugs.. Please help
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Zurittansya
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Hardly to say which bugs exactly you have. Probably you are right with spider mites. Good tip in your situation is use sprays. Good luck.
THE KONASSURE
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could be spider mites kinda need a pic of the leaf mag`d up but with that kinda leaf damage spider mites is a good bet
find any webbing ?
find any webbing ?
No webbing yet.
What is AVID
whitebb2727
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Look for white specs on top of the leaves. On the bottom of the leaves look for red and brown dots. Also black specs is poop.
The main sign is lots of tiny white specs on the leaves.
I ordered spinosad. It is a bacteria. It is organic. It can be used as a spray and systemic.
It killed my mites after two treatments and one watering with it.
You can look at my journal and see the progress mine made after treatment.
The main sign is lots of tiny white specs on the leaves.
I ordered spinosad. It is a bacteria. It is organic. It can be used as a spray and systemic.
It killed my mites after two treatments and one watering with it.
You can look at my journal and see the progress mine made after treatment.
Tim Fox
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avid, floromite , and a few others are mitacides,, kills mites dead, gone , never to come back, you can buy small quanitities on ebay, where guys take the expensive big bottles and break it down, I bought a lifetime supply for 15 bucks on ebay, sprayed once in very early Veg and I have not seen a single bug of any sort since
whitebb2727
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Avid also has a eight week half life. There will be traces in your bud at harvest. At the same time you got to do what you got to do.
JungleTime
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From tests i've seen this is true, forbid and eagle 20 dissipate MUCH faster than avid, around 120 days. And forbid and eagle 20 are some serious shit, so it makes you wonder about avid. Personally I'd rather spray with forbid than avid without a doubt.
whitebb2727
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It is what it is. I won't knock people for doing what they got to do. I'm just uneasy using chems that last so long.
Tim Fox
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everything i read on AVID says it only lasts 8 weeks then gone,,, not half life,, but gone,, read many aritcles on the subject,, i know your organic, but others of us are not fully, ,i do grow in soil with organic FFOF and happy frog nutes,, but I am not afraid to NUKE the SHIT out of the freakin bugs,,, and many others agree with me on that one,, once those mites come back ,, and they will with your spenosaid,, and they will come back late in flower,, when it really sucks,, and i got sick of it,, and they are gone,, and if I smoke some chems,, and IF i do,, then it think my crop is still safer than the crap i get from mcdonalds,, lol,,
good luck brother
Tim Fox
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oh i should point out,, I have not seen a single insect of any type in my box now for 8 weeks, and i sprayed second week in veg and its been over 8 weeks now since spraying, I had those nasty Spider Mites for 2 grows,, and now no mites, i am pretty happy, and I am told that once you do hit them with avid or flormite or Forbid, that you wont see them again, we shall see,, remember to do what makes you happy,, and what makes me happy is no bugs,, no powdery mildew and no bud rot,, YAY
whitebb2727
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I wasn't knocking you.
It is eight week half life. It hangs around.
Now I'm not trying to start and argument but maybe be careful about reccomending a product with out addressing its side effects.
It has acute and chronic health warning on the msds sheet. It is the type of poison that's fine in very small doses but the problem is with repeated exposure.
It acts and is toxic to the dental nervous system. It damages organs. It harms fertility and unborn children.
All of these are on the meds sheet.
It is a poison that kills your organs and is toxic to the CNS. Inhalation is the worst route.
Your smoking poison. Be careful when suggesting other people do it.
Its not about organic or not. Its about not poisoning myself.
And avid is approved for ornamentals not consumables.
Tim Fox
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Concerned
I am not under the impression that avid is absorbed into the plant tissues at all. I have done some tests
on plants treated with avid, and have not found that mites are killed even 3 days later, but can spread, and infest plants
3 days later, in some cases.(Heavy light, good mite breeding conditions like heat etc.) I think the 6-8 week thing is just
a factor of the life-cycle of the two-spotted mite, which can take weeks to get a firm 'hold' on a garden, after initial
infestation. Avid seems to be a good way for people that cannot control mites after infestation to get a good head start
on a crop, especially if the crop is only around for 8-10 weeks, after the mites are killed. I have most definitally seen
crops 5-6 weeks after application that were seriously mited out. It seems unlikely that a plant that was dipped with only
4-6 leaves or so sould possibly contain any measurable amount of abamectins when it is 2-3 feet tall with over 1000
times the mass of the original plant, given the fast half-life of the product. Don't know, but I do have some info coming
from Merck.
http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/bcga/avid.htm
I am not under the impression that avid is absorbed into the plant tissues at all. I have done some tests
on plants treated with avid, and have not found that mites are killed even 3 days later, but can spread, and infest plants
3 days later, in some cases.(Heavy light, good mite breeding conditions like heat etc.) I think the 6-8 week thing is just
a factor of the life-cycle of the two-spotted mite, which can take weeks to get a firm 'hold' on a garden, after initial
infestation. Avid seems to be a good way for people that cannot control mites after infestation to get a good head start
on a crop, especially if the crop is only around for 8-10 weeks, after the mites are killed. I have most definitally seen
crops 5-6 weeks after application that were seriously mited out. It seems unlikely that a plant that was dipped with only
4-6 leaves or so sould possibly contain any measurable amount of abamectins when it is 2-3 feet tall with over 1000
times the mass of the original plant, given the fast half-life of the product. Don't know, but I do have some info coming
from Merck.
http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/bcga/avid.htm
whitebb2727
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What articles.
Be honest. If you read the real dangers in it you might think twice.
You read articles or read what some people said on pot forums.
Avid is a poison that last a long time and builds up in your system.
Did you read the msds sheet?
In is not labeled for food or consumables.
I could care less if you use it. Just be honest about it being a poison that can harm.
For any that care her is the link to msds.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/msds/Syngenta_Avid_0.15ec_7-9-15_MSDS_.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwifkrzYo5vKAhUC5SYKHUPcDQ4QFggrMAE&usg=AFQjCNEy0PVL1YVvIEO1GSVj4AbSF0UaCA
whitebb2727
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So everyone knows I'll use poison. I spray once a year around the house and I'll treat for termites or whatnot.
The truth is, at best avid is questionable for use on cannabis. It is not listed for food use. Only anecdotal evidence from cannabis forums exist on the subject.
I would be upset if I bought it from that used it and didn't tell me.
The truth is, at best avid is questionable for use on cannabis. It is not listed for food use. Only anecdotal evidence from cannabis forums exist on the subject.
I would be upset if I bought it from that used it and didn't tell me.
Tim Fox
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IF it is "SUCH A POISON" then WHY my friend is AVID approved for human consumption and it being approved more and more, what you are reading are OLD aricles,, here is a page on human food consumption look at all the vegies AVID is now approved for use on!!!!,,, so if i keep posting pages here about strawberries ,, about growers who have used it for years and have not grown a third eye or got cancer,,,
http://www.greenhousecanada.com/inputs/crop-protection/avid-approved-for-tomato-psyllid-1853
what I am showin is PROFF that your information may not be correct,, so please stop SCARING People with information that may not be true,, you dont get the last word,, just because you say it doesnt make it correct,, avid is getting approved for more and more human consumption,,
The Pest Management Regulatory Agency (PMRA) recently announced the approval of a minor use registration for AVID (abamectin) insecticide/miticide for control of tomato psyllid on greenhouse peppers and tomatoes. The active ingredient abamectin was already labeled in Canada for control of leafminers, pear psylla and spider mites on potatoes, pome fruit, strawberries, caneberries, greenhouse ornamentals, greenhouse peppers, cucumbers and tomatoes.
Tomato psyllid (Paratrioza cockerelli) is a new pest of greenhouse vegetables in Canada and has been the subject of minor use prioritization by greenhouse vegetable producers for several years. Feeding by psyllids not only causes yellowing of the plant, but can also result in loss of vigour and yield due to a combination of reduced fruit set and fruit size. Until now, there have been no products available to producers to manage this pest in Canada.
- See more at: http://www.greenhousecanada.com/inputs/crop-protection/avid-approved-for-tomato-psyllid-1853#sthash.CJT0OdP6.dpuf
JungleTime
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https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/180-day-lab-test-of-avid-forbid-floramite-eagle-20.50151/
Yep avid is some serious shit, forbid even dissipates out before avid does in his particular environment. Id rather spray with forbid and nuke em before avid or floramite. But of course all these chemicals are light dependent. So no one person can state another person has it in their product unless they know their light set up and duration of light.