Issues with the Organics, PIX

Alright, rather than incorporate this whole thing into Ohsogreen's thread, I decided I would start my own. With pix. I'm working with a total of 13 plants all grown from seed; 8 Conquistador; 1 Papaya; 4 California Indica x Big Bud. Ok, let's go.

First plant: Conquistador (#3). This is/was My Little Borked Connie. From when it sprouted to this point, it's just always had issues. Started off with weird, corkscrewed leaves, which have now been pinched off. Was looking better, and then I noticed these spots.

Yerrrrrrp look at the post I posted in the other shit thread, I tell you how I solved this problem :]

You're the Epsom salt guy, right? But wait, there's MORE! (I'm working on all the photos and uploading right now).

Add about 1/2-1 teaspoons of MgSO4(Epsom salt), to a quart of water and mix thoroughly. Add this mix to a sprayer, and foliar feed it on the plant once in the morning and once in the evening. You might want to test it on a leaf or two first, just to make sure it won't damage anything(and you want to do this with usually all foliar feeding solutions as well). If you foliar feed during the middle of the day, depending on where you live it might be too hot. The pores on the plant, called stomata are open the most when its cooler out. So, in the evening and afternoon, spray the tops and bottom sides of leafs, and your problem should be solved.

This problem, however might be related to Calcium as well. So a mix of Calcium and Epsom should make thos ladies perfect

cheers

Second plant: California Indica x Big Bud (#17). This, as with all the others, started off GREAT, no problems at all. As with all the others, it's growing AMAZINGLY well, just huge. But, I've got this problem on the leaf margins that you'll see.

that looks like Mg to me too. Only on bottom leaves (mobile nutrient), spotting, fringe burning, and yellowing.

Aren't you feeding these girls anything?

Looks like they were burnt, or because the leaves are twisted they are dying off?

I'd suggest trimming off the lower fan leaf that's brown, and the lower branches that are struggling, this will promote more growth to the top of the plant which looks healthy.

Wait for more replies, but i think trimming them off is your best bet, they won't grow anymore and the burnt leaves won't absorb light.

normlpothead said:

Looks like they were burnt, or because the leaves are twisted they are dying off?

I'd suggest trimming off the lower fan leaf that's brown, and the lower branches that are struggling, this will promote more growth to the top of the plant which looks healthy.

Wait for more replies, but i think trimming them off is your best bet, they won't grow anymore and the burnt leaves won't absorb light.

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It's only on old growth, meaning it's a mobile nutrient issue. Actual burning would be on upper leaves.

Trimming them will only hide the problem until it shows on progressively higher leaves. As the plant gets larger, the deficiency will worsen - the plant obviously needs more as it grows - and it will take time and nutrient to correct. In the meantime, you've stunted the growth of the plant and lost foliage.

Third plant: California Indica x Big Bud (#1) (I have all the pots numbered). Growing very well, but...

ditto.

you dig up the soil, right? are you amending it or feeding it anything with Mg in it?

I love homemade tonics and shit, and will only grow organically, but to save headaches I spring for botanicare and never have any deficiencies. It's really not expensive.

ceestyle said:

that looks like Mg to me too. Only on bottom leaves (mobile nutrient), spotting, fringe burning, and yellowing.

Aren't you feeding these girls anything?

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Yes, I am, but after my experience trying to correct that nitrogen deficiency (you remember that one, right?) I am going VERY slowly. I mixed a good organic fertilizer into good organic soil that already had good amendments. I've used very gentle teas, again so I don't burn, have been dosing regularly with mycorrhizae, and scratched in a high N/lowP-K bat guano. Other than that, I didn't want to start throwing too much at them. Not all plants show the same problems, I still have more photos to put up of each plant.

So, yes, generally ONLY on the bottom leaves (except Little Miss Borked Connie, that's progressing up the plant).

I have on hand:
Epsom salt
Seaweed extract
Dr. Earth Organic 5
Fish emulsion (5-1-1)
Organic blood meal
Organic bone meal
Super Plant Tonic
Worm castings
Bat guano (9-3-2)
Molasses--blackstrap unsulfured, the ONLY kind of molasses to eat!

*Some kind of blue orchid fertilizer
*Your basic blue Miracle Gro fertilizer



*These ferts are not being used on my organics

ceestyle said:

ditto.

you dig up the soil, right? are you amending it or feeding it anything with Mg in it?

I love homemade tonics and shit, and will only grow organically, but to save headaches I spring for botanicare and never have any deficiencies. It's really not expensive.

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I haven't found it locally, cee (botanicare), and I've been doing my best to keep it to supporting local businesses (with the exception of the Super Plant Tonic).

This is potting soil amended with Gardner & Bloome potting soil (which can be used "straight", or as a soil amendment). If you like I can put up a link so you can see what's in it, it's really very good stuff. There is also about 10% vermiculite added.

Okay, so you have some awesome amendments, but they are sorely lacking in Mg, as that other poster pointed out. Hunt around for some recipes with Epsom salts and feed away. I'm willing to bet that is the cause of all your problems.

I had the same problem before I went with a liquid diet for my girls. Once I got to about a foot tall, guano, castings, and lime just wasn't enough.

So .... no "Hydro and Hoagies" in your hood?

California Indica x Big Bud #2.

so you see the rust spots in the center of the leaves? that's tell-tale Mg. Burn usually doesn't spot like that, but burns and crumbles only from the outside.

ceestyle said:

Okay, so you have some awesome amendments, but they are sorely lacking in Mg, as that other poster pointed out. Hunt around for some recipes with Epsom salts and feed away. I'm willing to bet that is the cause of all your problems.

I had the same problem before I went with a liquid diet for my girls. Once I got to about a foot tall, guano, castings, and lime just wasn't enough.

So .... no "Hydro and Hoagies" in your hood?

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No, nothing like that. The C.I.xB.B. have already gotten well over a foot tall, their growth has been EXPLOSIVE. They were started from seed at the end of June. Even the Papaya, which is supposed to be a more "demure" plant has just f'ing exploded on me.

Kirby posted a foliar feed recipe, which I can whip up and begin applying right now. I will hit the plants that show definite rust spots, but I want to get the rest of the pix up so all can be seen before I actually hit them all. Do you think the foliar feed is better than hitting the root zone?

ceestyle said:

so you see the rust spots in the center of the leaves? that's tell-tale Mg. Burn usually doesn't spot like that, but burns and crumbles only from the outside.

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Ok. Does it ever start out as light spots? I have ONE plant that has green veins with yellowing in between the veining, too.. and now I can't remember whether or not I put up its pix.

Yes, you did, and it will turn brown right after yellow if it's Mg. I imagine the symptoms vary slightly with strain.

Because Mg is mobile, I would probably just mix it up and apply it to the soil as you water, but as long as you don't feed when it's blazing outside, it couldn't hurt to foliar feed. Try a plant or 1/2 a plant and see how it works out.

Ok.. well, I'm in the middle of attaching more photos, just to be THOROUGH.

Number 11, California Indica x Big Bud again.