Jerry's Perpetually Organic Garden

I would like to see how the cali and res. privada sour diesel's compare; It looks like the RP sour may be a better yielder...

Ugh, don't get me started on the hemp industry. Sad stuff, used to be the product for patriots. Now, bleghh.

But those are some of the finest flowers I've ever seen grow out of a 2 gal bucket. I've only seen one other grow with as dense nugs, but never so much bud on 1 plant in 2 gal. 3 gal is as low as I'll go, I used to be a strict 5 gal grower, but sometimes that allows shit to get out of hand like crazy. The last few plants I put in my flower room were so small I probably could have just used a 2 gal, because they take forever to drink. But I've never seen Sharks Breath trained before. It's usually just a one stalk plant, but it seems to have responded beautifully.

I'm actually still lagging on that organic garden. I have 10 Old School Kush clones transplanted into 707, and I have my BioBizz starter kit, as well as the 2 components it is missing, I just need to wait for them to start eating actual food and for the weather to warm up around here. I just moved to an area that is cold as fuck most of the year. But we have a beautiful secluded deck that gets sunlight all day. So I'm buying a green house as soon as my brother pays me the 200 bucks he owes me.

sleeperls93 said:

I would like to see how the cali and res. privada sour diesel's compare; It looks like the RP sour may be a better yielder...

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As of right now my money is on the Cali Connect Sour Diesel #1 as the best of the lot. It is already covered in trichomes (a trait I've observed across all Cali Connection strains) and is shaping up to form some heavy colas.

lookin great Jerr

you usin a make it rain technich -potsall look like they had lots of water in them

you do great work -im runnin a medical seeds sour di right now -but that cali conn is smokin looks good

nice pics as well as great gardening and great genetics you cant lose

those are 3 gal pots or what

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Dwezelitsame said:

lookin great Jerr

you usin a make it rain technich -potsall look like they had lots of water in them

you do great work -im runnin a medical seeds sour di right now -but that cali conn is smokin looks good

those are 3 gal pots or what

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Haha yeah I make it rain slowly by hand with a 1 quart bottle. Takes forever and I go through a ton of water, but it allows me to monitor them all very closely. Most of them actually were out of the tent because they needed water.

Most of my pots are the 1.9 gallon variety, like this one.


A few are 3.5 gallons, like this one.


It's a little difficult to tell the difference in the pics, but I'm happy with both pot sizes. The smaller ones allow for greater variety of strains (upon which I place a high value) without sacrificing much in the way of yield. Often when I find a plant I like or have a good feeling about, it gets the larger pot.

thanks for takn time to explain jerr

sum say you need a 3 or 5 gal pot for what we do

but i see from yo pics that its not true can go lower

i was just readin up end of last grow on make it rain system sounds interesting -thats why i asked -
looked like the results of MIR

ill be peepin in on you from time to time
you alwyys get an eye full at yo place
so much variety volume expert gardening skills and pics

1Luv - Stay True

Y'all should look into smartpots. I know you all probably don't have issues with overwatering but now I water every plant every time without risk of overwatering one or 2 that are feeding lighter, they also say the 3 gallon sizes can get a plant just as large as the 5 gallons. Personally I love my smartpots just thought id share sine were talking about pot sizes.

They also make something called superroots airpot which I have no experience with but is supposedly the same, air pruning the roots. I think the superroots are more expensive and my shop didn't carry them so I went with the smartpots. I also think the airpots are mor rigid whereas the smartpots are a cloth material. Reusable just go to the laundrymat and wash em.

i have 3 gal smart Pots the reason can grow as large as a 5 gal it holds as much soil as my 5 gal plastic

but i used them on my last grow for the first time a little big -a friend is makin me sum 2 gals i cant wait to try out -an yep i like them so far

thanks for your input
1Luv

I've considered trying out some smart pots for a while now. My local shop doesn't carry the plastic ones (air pots?) but they have the cloth ones (smart pots?).

I move my plants around A LOT, which appears to be a bit of a problem with both types, so neither are very practical for me. If I were to try one though, it would probably be the plastic air pots.

From what I understand, the air pots channel the roots into the dimple holes where they contact the air and die, prompting internal branching. With smart pots the roots grow into the fabric and become trapped rather than air pruned...though I think the air helps prune them once they are trapped...which accomplishes similar secondary branching to the air pot.

These look nice because they have handles---> http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=852&navid=48

I've considered just drilling a bunch of small holes into one of my 2 gal pots to make my own. Still considering it...

Air pot does the same deal as smart pots, but smart pots are slowly torn up by your roots. I doubt it happens very quickly though, probably over a few years. They both air prune, but the smart pot lets the roots grow into it's fabric first, and then dampen, this insures they run along more surface area before dampening, therefore giving you much more feeder roots (my theory, sound believable, yeah? lol). But yeah, if you move your plants around a lot, stay away from soft containers. I've made this mistake with grow bags, eventually it was impossible to feed them, the fert just fell between the bag and the soil mass. The square pots they make for an Emily's Garden have 2-4 holes going up and down all 4 corners of the bucket. I used the supposed 1 gal emily garden bucket, and grew a plant the size of a 2 or 3 gal plant. Blew my mind! Roots circle, so they eventually find their way to these holes, and prune off very effectively. If you plan on cutting your own holes, go to a grow shop and take a peak at a few Emily pots.

So far from what I've seen, Cali Connections beats everything available here in the States. But I've heard they are going through some trouble right now, and some quality is being spared. Lots of complaints of auto-flowering SFV OG f3 and Larry's OG. This was caused by cross pollination by an outsourced breeder they used.

Personally, I would fucking kill for some guaranteed SFV OG f3 or Larry's OG auto-flower seeds. I would stop indoor gardening in a heart beat if someone handed me a hundred or so of those. I think I am going to order some Sour Diesel from them. I also want to get the Old School Hindu they use by Elite Genetics for breeding. That is what they used for this Old School Kush I am growing, which I am dying to see in bloom.

I veg in #1 or #2 smart pots and flower with smart pots (3 and 5 gallon) and DIY air-pails (3.5ga), as I am undecided which I prefer yet. I prefer the performance of the smart pots as they dry much faster and cause better root pruning than my DIY pails. The pails are a lot easier for moving around, which I do on an almost daily basis. I run a perpetual with a new plant every 10 - 14 days so I am always doing something different.

Here is one 3 - 4 weeks into veg in a #1 smart pot.




One of my pails.




Wonder Woman Rootball after ~60 - 70 days in my pail. She was transplanted from #1 smart pot on Feb 19th. I think I am going to try drilling some bigger 1" holes on the bottom for drainage and put a double layer of mesh on the bottom also, instead of just a bunch of 3/8" holes like I have now. She was drown for 5 days before harvest and has been drying for well over a week now so the rootball/roots were killed.

That root mas from the smart pot is beautiful. Looks like it did an incredible job of what it advertises. The DIY Air Pales look great too. I might try that out, because like Jerry, I can't keep my fucking mits off my plants. I'm growing horizontally at the moment, so I rotate my garden constantly. Are those 5 gal buckets you used for them? I bet your plants get fucking massive!!

So the holes in the bottom for you were too small, what about the ones in the side? Too many? Not enough? Holes too big, too small? I have a hard time finding Emily buckets larger than 1 gal, so this could be an answer for me.

Jerry Garcia said:

I've considered trying out some smart pots for a while now. My local shop doesn't carry the plastic ones (air pots?) but they have the cloth ones (smart pots?).

I move my plants around A LOT, which appears to be a bit of a problem with both types, so neither are very practical for me. If I were to try one though, it would probably be the plastic air pots.

From what I understand, the air pots channel the roots into the dimple holes where they contact the air and die, prompting internal branching. With smart pots the roots grow into the fabric and become trapped rather than air pruned...though I think the air helps prune them once they are trapped...which accomplishes similar secondary branching to the air pot.

These look nice because they have handles---> http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=852&navid=48

I've considered just drilling a bunch of small holes into one of my 2 gal pots to make my own. Still considering it...

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The newer Smart Pots also have handles. I use the five gallon and I love them dearly. You do have to be a little bit more careful when handling them but the gains are well worth the extra care. One thing though, Smart Pots don't trap the roots, they air prune the same way that Air Pots do. There is one out there that traps the roots, but I don't remember the name off hand, I know they're white on the outside and black inside.

Overall I've been very happy since I made that switch, the only (slight) downside is that I have to water slightly more often. Try them out, you won't be disappointed.

igot a friend on other coast that makes his own sending me sum of his 2's wit sum seeds

but he says they are easy to make he took one apart first and measured now makes all sizes

he cant find same product material says felt works not natural but man made felt

when i get and try them will let you know results

and as far as moveing around wil make a space between edge have to avoid at watering
cause i twist and turn -then rotatate positionsunder lights- i burn two 250w lights hortilux and philips cmh -so i twist pots every day 1/4 turn then from front to back switch- then under the light switch- lots of motion

what happens is mass dont crumble or nutin just like a bowling ball in the carryer

and past poster is correct both do same thing diff way

imtryin the plastic net pots for man made pond gardening i like next

1Luv Stay True

Jozikins said:

That root mas from the smart pot is beautiful. Looks like it did an incredible job of what it advertises. The DIY Air Pales look great too. I might try that out, because like Jerry, I can't keep my fucking mits off my plants. I'm growing horizontally at the moment, so I rotate my garden constantly. Are those 5 gal buckets you used for them? I bet your plants get fucking massive!!

So the holes in the bottom for you were too small, what about the ones in the side? Too many? Not enough? Holes too big, too small? I have a hard time finding Emily buckets larger than 1 gal, so this could be an answer for me.

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3ga and 3.5ga pails, as the 5ga were too tall/big for my needs

i drilled a bunch of 3/8" holes in the bottom and now wish i had done something bigger, similar to the side holes

a smartpot mistake gona be a little crowded one did not make it

this is a 3 wide not to deep but wide

been mooved around a bit see how it seperates from the sides -ready to swollow the water ino it

Sharksbreath came down yesterday @ 75 days 12/12. Here are some pics.










Next, some shots of the 10 plants vegging under my 400w MH. There are 6 more not pictured that are vegging under CFL's in the other room (2 Jamaican Me Crazy, 4 RPSD clones).

Grape Stomper x OG #2 (left) and Sour Hazy Jones #2 (right).


Sour Hazy Jones #3 (left) and Sour Hazy Jones #1 (right). I also got a before/after training shot of SHJ #1.






Deadhead OG #1 (left) and Deadhead OG #3 (right).




Deadhead OG #2 (left) and Grape Stomper x OG #1 (right).


Blue Widow (left) and Grape Stomper x OG #3 (right).


That's all I got today

SB looks dynamite!! Lovin the LST on those babies too bro, nice work. Are those smart pots the same one's available from Sannies shop??

GLORY! That Sharks Breath takes my breath away! Dude, you got LST down, they are so much more uniform than my last few LST plants. For me the first time was the best, and I'm having a hard time replicating my own results. lol.

THESkunkMunkie said:

SB looks dynamite!! Lovin the LST on those babies too bro, nice work. Are those smart pots the same one's available from Sannies shop??

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Thanks...I'm not yet using the smart pots so I don't know which ones you are referring to.

Jozikins said:

GLORY! That Sharks Breath takes my breath away! Dude, you got LST down, they are so much more uniform than my last few LST plants. For me the first time was the best, and I'm having a hard time replicating my own results. lol.

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Thanks Jozi, I've been getting pretty good at the LST thing by just trial and error. I've really discovered you need to conceptualize how you want the plant to look vs. how it looks while you're training. Also starting early and using paperclips has really helped me get the shape I'm looking for. Some strains respond more readily than others, but it can be done with them all.

It takes a fair bit of adjusting during the early stages, but once in flower they are pretty much set how I want and I can pretty much leave them alone.